I was permanently banned from the Reddit sub without recourse for posting this despite not breaking any rules. I’m slowly making the migration over thanks to such encouragement.
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Welcome to Lemmy, you don’t need to go back to reddit. It gets better here everyday.
Also - do I just put a letter with Kelly Honey Farms in the mail and hope it gets there? A full address would be nice.
The full address is right there below it
Lol I’m an idiot.
It’s okay we all have our dumb days.
I worked a contract job at a honey bottling plant in Mich where they would simply take 55 gallon drums of raw honey from all over the world, dump them into a giant tank, churn it up… then bottle it. That’s was it, nothing more nothing less. At one point in the past they used to add water, but they had stopped when I was installing the new mixing system (it was a patent thing). Makes me shake my head to see companies adding anything else to such a simple operation…
Look at that, it’s a product that is entirely dependent on the idea that no one ever actually reads the label… Sadly this unscrupulous company has probably made a fortune this way
That is absolutely revolting.
ITT: a bunch of stolen bee vomit fetishists. Why pay so much money for something weird, gross, and every bit as unhealthy as sugar and corn syrup? Maple syrup (while also unhealthy) tastes way better. And date sugar, whole blended dates, or molasses are healthier alternatives.
Healthy and unhealthy are composite binary terms that aren’t useful. Specific, contextualized terms are more useful and allow for people to make better choices for the situation.
Maple syrup has considerable benefits as an alternative to HFCS. First, it’s glycemic index is lower which results in a decrease in blood glucose levels. On top of that, it appears that it promotes insulation secretion.
Maple syrup is particularly rich in abscisic acid. This acid presents a strong defense against diabetes and metabolic syndrome because it promotes the excretion of insulin from pancreatic cells and boosts fat cells’ sensitivity to insulin.
As a whole, in order to reduce ones propensity to diabetes, reduce sugar intake. Then, if further steps are needed and reduction is no longer an option, find appropriate substitutes. From the abstract:
This review presents detailed information about the nutritional, organoleptic, and pharmacological properties of maple syrup. Studies carried out on animal models and a limited number of human models emphasize the potential benefits of maple syrup as a substitute for refined sugars, indicating that it could contribute to improved metabolic health when used in moderation. However, further medical and nutritional health studies based on human health assessments are needed to better understand the mechanisms of action of the various components of maple syrup and its potential therapeutic properties to demonstrate a stronger justification for its consumption relative to refined sugars. In addition, we compare maple syrup and common sweeteners to provide a further critical perspective on the potential nutritional and health benefits of maple syrup.
And the final sentence:
More studies are needed to better understand how much maple syrup could be ingested, as part of a regular diet, to promote these pharmacological properties without triggering obesity or weight-related disorders.
I could get into the complexities of when and where maple syrup may be more or less harmful, but that’s a bit of effort for a nested lemmy thread that’s been downvoted so far as to not matter. Point is, in the context of western industrialized societies, the majority of people would see benefits from abstaining from refined sources of sweeteners, including maple. There might be some unique compounds in it, but when you look at the percentages of what’s in the stuff, it’s basically 98% just sugar.
Also I would suggest reading Marion Nestle’s, Food Politics. It gives an inside view of the corruption in nutrition science. One of the things she said that stuck with me was when she said that she gets suspicious any time anyone is doing studies on a single food item.
Suggesting molasses as an alternative for honey lmao
The point is that virtually anything is a better alternative to honey.
Wrong
Oh, look, it’s a walking vegan cliché. People like you are why people hate vegans. Save your anger for actual animal abuse.
Oh look, typical carnist cliché is getting offended because someone criticized the weird shit you do.
I didn’t see anyone else pointing out how bizarre it is to fetishize bee puke.
And people hate vegans because most people want to believe they’re at least “pretty good people”, and the very presence of a vegan challenges that belief. If you’re offended, maybe it’s time to look in the mirror.
>And people hate vegans because most people want to believe they’re at least “pretty good people”, and the very presence of a vegan challenges that belief. If you’re offended, maybe it’s time to look in the mirror.
is this even provable? has anyone ever said that’s why they, themselves, hate vegans?
No, he is speaking how he imagines things are. Vegans, like everyone else, can be great people or horrible people. No illusions there.
No amount of veganism makes them better humans.
It’s always good for a laugh when a vegan thinks like this though
There is science behind it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPE5q92JuWc&pp=ygUZd2h5IGRvIHBlb3BsZSBoYXRlIHZlZ2Fucw%3D%3D
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has anyone been able to replicate any studies on this?
I am just going to respond to all of your other messages here, because it’s the same answer: it is not my job to educate you. YOU are the one who is continuing to live in a way that’s morally repugnant. What you are doing is directly supporting a system that is routinely putting billions of lives through a real life hell - their entire existence is suffering - only to be butchered at the equivalent of an adolescent or juvenile age. What you are consuming is the traumatized remains of beings who were basically children, who were confined as part of a perpetual holocaust that’s being conducted at an unprecedented scale. They committed no crimes. They are completely innocent. And you abuse them anyway, and mock the few people who try to undo this injustice.
That’s not even getting into the devastating health effects of consuming animals, or the wanton destruction of the environment and greenhouse gas emissions that go with it.
Do you count yourself a leftist, or in any way oppose the fascist republicans? Well the animal ag industry is one of their primary sources of revenue, and meat and dairy consumption is central to the white nationalist identity. Non-vegan leftists are not leftists at all, because you can’t even bring justice to your own dinner table, and you are directly paying the fascists every day.
It is YOUR job to get educated, and get right.
> Non-vegan leftists are not leftists
better tell marx and proudhon
>What you are consuming is the traumatized remains of beings who were basically children, who were confined as part of a perpetual holocaust that’s being conducted at an unprecedented scale.
this is purely appeal to emotion. it’s not even true. it’s not a holocaust.
> They are completely innocent
you can’t be innocent without moral agency. are trees and rocks innocent, too?
>YOU are the one who is continuing to live in a way that’s morally repugnant.
false
>you abuse them anyway, and mock the few people who try to undo this injustice.
where did i mock anyone?
>it is not my job to educate you.
it’s your job to support your claims
>you abuse them
another falsehood.
> What you are doing is directly supporting a system that is routinely putting billions of lives through a real life hell - their entire existence is suffering - only to be butchered at the equivalent of an adolescent or juvenile age.
another lie
>That’s not even getting into the devastating health effects of consuming animals, or the wanton destruction of the environment and greenhouse gas emissions that go with it.
this is a non sequitur. it reads like you’re grasping at straws
>Do you count yourself a leftist, or in any way oppose the fascist republicans?
kind of hilarious that you think the republicans are fascist but you didn’t mention the democrats
>you are directly paying the fascists every day
there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. anything you pay for, you are lining the pockets of fascists.
>It is YOUR job to get educated, and get right.
don’t worry about me. just try supporting your own arguments.
> meat and dairy consumption is central to the white nationalist identity.
so is breathing. i’m not going to give that up just because bad people do it, too
this video does not have anyone saying that is why they hate vegans
Or maaaaybe you just enjoy the smell of your own farts a little too much…
Because of you I just had two slices of bacon and two eggs for breakfast, how does that make you feel? I’ve also got at least 15 chicken wings and drumsticks in my fridge and a couple racks of beef ribs, along with several wedges of hard and soft cow cheeses. How does that make you feel?
Hungry?
And how about if I decide to go out with my cousin this fall to hunt a few animals in the most painful and excruciating way possible, prolonging their death for the thrill of the hunt?
And? You’ve already demonstrated that you’re a psychopath (and probably have heart disease and diabetes as well). Are you so weak that you need to murder defenseless animals to feel good about yourself? How about you take a screenshot of this exchange for posterity. Maybe someday if you ever have the benefit of a moment of clarity, you can look back at it and cringe at yourself.
Other than that, fuck off. Psychopath.
The notion that you can steal from bees is unhinged lmao
What’s unhinged is people who think they have the right to confine, torture, exploit, rape, murder, and devour the flesh and/or secretions of other animals just because they’re different.
Yeah I get that bugs are easy to dismiss because they’re tiny, often obnoxious and treated like a nuisance, and less intelligent than other animals. But we’re still talking about living beings who have their own subjective experience of life, individuality, and their own agenda. Like all animals they came into this life with us, not for us.
Commodifying living beings is unhinged. And even ignoring the moral side of things, having a preference for bee vomit is unhinged.
The subjective experience of insects is so unbelievably alien from that of humans that trying to anthropomorphize them or compare their existence to that of humans is actually insane. Just by existing as megafauna, you probably kill hundreds or thousands of insects a year.
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OP must be barlo
no one is raping or torturing animals.
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>Your head must be deep in the sand if you think that’s true
this looks like a thought terminating cliche. have you considered addressing the substance of what i said, or is it all hand waving and shouting on your end?
Except I sent an entire documentary that precisely addressed the substance of what you said. You claimed that no one is raping and torturing animals. The documentary shows plenty of evidence to the contrary.
no, it doesn’t. and your snuff film sucks anyway.
that video doesn’t show rape. it does show some animal abuse, but that is not standard procedure.
Calls himself hacktheprisons, is oblivious to the fact that the biggest, cruellest prisons don’t keep humans in.
>If your lifestyle choices cause suffering and atrocity, don’t you think you have a responsibility to at least be aware of what you’re complicit in
yes, but they don’t, so it’s no big deal.
Are you saying that you’re vegan here?
no, i’m saying i understand linear time and causation.
you should give a trigger warning when you link gore
Report them to… I think it’s the FDA that oversees food labels?
They’re violating federal regulations.
As if that is something someone in Texas cares about these days.
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You know what they say about people who live in glass houses, right?
They’re exhibitionists.
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I got a shock random permaban in one of my preferred niche subs from someone obviously having a bad day and projecting it outwardly. It made me sit up and ask why I was putting up with so much nonsense and abandoned reddit that very moment. I had been dipping my toes into Lemmy but this made me dive in head first.
It happens here too. There are certain people. They are indecent. And they want to control the conversation.
The main difference here being if a community has crappy mods you can not only start your own better one, you can start it on another whole server where said crappy mods have no power. Bonus if the server’s general vibe happens to be a better fit for what you want to build.
Yeah. The rest of us are just indecent and happy to let the conversation go whatever way it goes.
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This reminds me of KFC and how they switch from “Honey” to “Honey Sauce”.
On-brand for a company the wants to hide the fact that the F stands for ‘fried.’
Times like this I’m glad I have not one but two friends who are backyard beekeepers. They are more than happy to give away the enormous amount of honey they collect each year…
it had me worried for a minute: same bear, same colored label, grocery store brand so it could be from anywhere. I had to check. Nope, not Texas. Whew. (Jk, not corn syrup)
Hmm that would be illegal in the EU and UK, where nutritional info and proportion of honey would be required.
Quite tempted to write in though. Anyone else?
It is also required in America. The FDA requires it except for small business. Also the EU wouldn’t even let this have the word “Honey” in the name at all. I’d assume that the retail business above doesn’t reach the threshold of 500,000 so can request for an exemption of nutritional labeling.
A local supermarket chain got a fine because they had “fake cheese” sold in the cheese section. It wasn’t labeled as cheese, but it was under a large CHEESE banner. I think it was leftovers from cheese production just mixed up.
I’m ok with not throwing away stuff, but it tasted like sin, even for cheap industrial cheese standard.
Curds maybe. Seems an odd thing to fine someone over. Curds are made into cheese and also commonly sold just as curds. It’s pretty much what paneer is. Perhaps someone expects it to be generic “dairy”.
There’s a legal definition of what can be called cheese, same as with a lot of products. Curd can be used, what (I recall) is that they were mixing up leftover cheeses from production into a single one, which is not allowed in general.
I tried to find the article, it happens some time ago.
So you can have 10 cheeses but not a mutant 10-cheese. Interesting.
The Dutch consumer program recently showed that most honey in regular retail are made with a special stain of sugar syrup, made in China, that is indistinguishable from real honey using the common tests.
With more modern testing methods it can be sniffed out, but even though this product would be illegal, the same thing happens on large scale in Europe.
This would be sold at a farmer’s market or something like that rather than in a super market. Just my guess. They may also have been breaking the rules the whole time and enforcement is lax.
And with such an abomination, they would have to state how much honey is in there.
You don’t need nutritional info on pure honey, the standard glasses and labels from the German beekeeper’s association certainly don’t have that info on them, also, you’d need to test batch-wise. They analyse for maximum water and minimum enzyme levels, but not nutritional value that’s basically given by the water content, a bit more or less protein or pollen doesn’t change the values in a way anyone caring about macros would care about: For those intents and purposes honey is pure sugar.
I live near by this area. I also buy honey from Kelley’s regularly, but have never seen this abomination. The honey they sell around here is 100% grade a raw unfiltered. It also has nutrition information on the bottle.
Apart from OP’s picture missing the 's on Kelley’s, it seems genuine due to the matching inconsistent use of capitalisation.
Only other image I could find was from Walmart. Wonder if the “Texas blend” is a Walmart specific product.
Walmart has been known to make unreasonable demands to farmers that might result in exactly this type of fuckery
Not just farmers. All their suppliers.
Why does it say “Texas” on it 6 times?
Texas is a cult
What’s obnoxious is that they keep calling their bullshit “Southern tradition!” when it’s never made it out of their state.
Only state to fight a war for slavery twice btw
Wait, why can’t you feed it to Children under one?
Some type of bacteria they’re not ready to handle yet?Basically, yeah.
There are bacterial spores that are no danger to nearly all adults but will absolutely end your baby.
But you CAN put it on little bumps and scrapes.
Not sure why you were down voted because it’s true. Honey has very low water activity and essentially remains in good condition over tens of thousands of years. It’s been used to treat wounds throughout history by helping create an environment inhospitable to microbes.
Correct. Infant botulism can result from bacteria in raw honey that is otherwise harmless to anyone with a developed immune system.
At first I was like “yeah doesn’t everyone know that?” And then I realized that I didn’t know that until I had kids.
Yeah, I didn’t know that until very recently, and that was because of an anime I was watching.
I have a kid and this is the first I’m hearing about it.
Our pedi was over the top with reminding us. With both kids, actually.
He probably has some history that led him to stress that so much to patients.
Not everyone is good at it
I don’t have kids and I know it. When I was a kid, my parents would make us banana smoothies as a treat. It’s just banana, milk, ice, and honey. They mentioned a few times that they were excited for us to turn a year old so we could have them because of the honey.
I waited til they were there before I have them honey, hah
I would guess the ban came from an overzealous application of the “no personal info” doxxing rule, because that pic has an address on it which is technically a company address, but there ya go, that’s my guess. I was banned once for something similar.
I was permanently banned from streaming (had thousands of followers at the time) for animal abuse after asking another streamer if they milk their goats, then I was permanently site banned for harassment after arguing with them about it. Don’t give me an excuse to get started.
Name checks out.
Yeah with a name like that they’re going to be judged more harshly.
Once I noticed the name I blocked them. Something is wrong with them to think a name like that is okay, and I don’t care to find out what that is.
Have you tried Owncast for self-hosted FOSS fediverse streaming? You literally can’t get banned on it because you host your own stream, same with self-hosting a lemmy instance. Like, other streaming instances can defederate from you, but you can never be banned off your own stream.
As a beekeeper of 30 odd years, that hurts
ps welcome
If you sell at farmer’s markets, I appreciate people like you, because it’s where we always buy our honey. And we have yet to regret it because it always tastes better than store bought honey. Especially if you like monofloral honey, which I do.
What is your favourite bee?
Did you know the symbol of my city is a worker bee?
