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Its important to keep in mind that Lemmy is provided for free and as-is. It also hasnt reached version 1.0 yet so obviously there are still many features missing. Yet there are tens of thousands of users and hundreds of admins who are happy with Lemmy in its current state.
To continue with the analogy, if the Lemmy playground is not safe enough for your particular neighborhood, you have a few different choices:
- Wait for someone else to solve the problem (but this may take very long or forever)
- Solve the problem yourself, or pay someone to do it
- Use a different type of playground instead
Beehaw in particular has $5,470 in donation balance. This would cover my income for around 2.5 months. They could easily take this money to hire a developer and implement the features they require. Yet they believe that they are somehow entitled to dictating what I or Dessalines should work on.
Edit: This doesn’t mean that I don’t care about implementing better mod tools, in fact if you look at the pull requests there have been numerous improvements in this area. But resources are limited and mod tools cannot be the only priority as some people seem to expect.
Edit 2: To be very clear, this comment is only aimed at Beehaw admins and a few other individuals who are extremely entitled and think they can dictate me to work on features they specifically want. The vast majority of users and admins on Lemmy are not like that, so of course my comment is not aimed at them and Im working hard every day to make Lemmy better for the majority. But that means I cant get distracted and waste time on features that only a tiny minority wants.
Have you ever considered tying a feature request to a dollar amount? If people want x, prioritizing it would cost x?
Use a different type of playground instead
It’s obvious that people are indeed doing or thinking of doing just that. Don’t get complacent just because things have not changed yet. There is a threshold to cross and once it crossed, things change very very fast. Currently there’s no software out that is as mature as lemmy, but if the trust thermocline is breached, people will prefer to switch to something substandard than support a project they don’t believe anymore.
Your biggest benefit as FOSS developers is your community goodwill. I can’t stress enough how much you need to be careful on what you say and how you communicate to maintain it.
no software out that is as mature as lemmy,
Doesn’t mbin have feature parity?
I honestly haven’t heard back much from mbin so I dunno
Look at it this way: I’ve spent almost every single working day for the past four years developing Lemmy. I implemented the entire federation logic and much more. Most days and nights I think about ways to improve Lemmy and it’s not easy to shut off. Especially during the Reddit blackout it was extremely stressful as we were completely bombarded with requests, I didn’t even have time to keep up with all the issues.
Yet last week some individuals came along who never made any contributions to Lemmy and never showed the slightest gratitude for my work. They essentially what I’m doing is wrong and that they should be in charge of decisionmaking for Lemmy. One Beehaw admin even said that all my work on Lemmy is meaningless.
I know you and many others have good intentions with your criticism. But after all the negativity of last week I simply don’t have the mindset to accept any of it.
Mate trust me I understand all about Foss stress and burnout. I’ve been doing Foss for way longer than 4 years and the ai horde has been very demanding as well (and I also have a day job and small children) . But through all this, you have to learn to keep your cool. It’s sometimes better to just come out and say “people, I’m close to burnout and I can’t comment now” or “I am going to work on this as fast as I can but if someone can get to it first feel free” etc. It’s way better to explain that you’re overworked than to attack people. It’s also OK to say nothing at all than to go on the offensive. People can understand the former but the latter will never work the way you expect.
I keep saying that this is a pure communication issue. I (and many others like sunaurus) can clearly see you’re working hard and we understand how much there is to do, and this is why I’m dismayed when I see you escalate.
If you want we can get in a voice chat and I can share how I deal with these situations and what has worked for me. Just pm me. I really think this is made unnecessary harder than it needs to be.
Thank you for the offer but its not necessary. Ive also maintained open source projects long before Lemmy so Im familiar with the occasional entitled user on Github. In my experience its not a good idea to make any promises to these users because they will view their entitlement as justified, and make more demands.
However its a completely different quality when its not just Github comments, but multiple blog posts within a few days attacking Lemmy and me personally. Sure my responses were not ideal, but it was the best I was capable of at that time. If I had said nothing, people would assume that all the accusations are true and I have nothing to defend myself (like the claim that Im a “tankie” which has been going around on Mastodon for years).
In any case I think its better to say something and get my view out rather than being quiet. Sure there are miscommunications but those can be cleared up, and I can learn how to communicate better in the future. On the other hand if I said nothing, I may be left with the impression that my work sucks, and lose all motivation to keep working on Lemmy. Then I would be stuck doing nothing at all. Luckily that hasnt happened, Im still working on the project like before.
Regrettably, complaining tends to be a common pastime for many individuals. I acknowledge your frustrations with certain users who may appear entitled or unappreciative of the considerable effort you’ve dedicated to developing Lemmy. Shifting towards a mindset that perceives complaints as opportunities for enhancement can be transformative. Establishing a set of transparent rules or guidelines on how you prioritize issues and feature requests could help turn critiques into opportunities for improvement. This transparency can help manage expectations and foster a more collaborative relationship with the users in your community. While not all complaints may be actionable, actively listening to feedback and explaining your prioritization criteria could go a long way in building trust and goodwill. Open communication and a willingness to consider diverse perspectives can lead to a stronger, more user-centric product in the long run.
The philosophy of Complaint-Driven Development provides a simple, transparent way to prioritize issues based on user feedback:
- Get the platform in front of as many users as possible.
- Listen openly to all user complaints and feedback. Expect a lot of it.
- Identify the top 3 most frequently reported issues/pain points.
- Prioritize fixing those top 3 issues.
- Repeat the process, continuously improving based on prominent user complaints.
Following these straightforward rules allows you to address the most pressing concerns voiced by your broad user community, rather than prioritizing the vocal demands of a few individuals. It keeps development efforts focused on solving real, widespread issues in a transparent, user-driven manner.
Here’s a suggestion that could help you implement this approach: Consider periodically making a post like What are your complaints about Lemmy? Developers may want your feedback. This post encourages users to leave one top-level comment per complaint, allowing others to reply with ideas or existing GitHub issues that could address those complaints. This will help you identify common complaints and potential solutions from your community.
Once you have a collection of complaints and suggestions, review them carefully and choose the top 3 most frequently reported issues to focus on for the next development cycle. Clearly communicate to the community which issues you and the team will be prioritizing based on this user feedback, and explain why you’ve chosen those particular issues. This transparency will help users understand your thought process and feel heard.
As you work on addressing those prioritized issues, keep the community updated on your progress. When the issues are resolved, make a new release and announce it to the community, acknowledging their feedback that helped shape the improvements.
Then, repeat the process: Make a new post gathering complaints and suggestions, review them, prioritize the top 3 issues, communicate your priorities, work on addressing them, release the improvements, and start the cycle again.
By continuously involving the community in this feedback loop, you foster a sense of ownership and leverage the collective wisdom of your user base in a transparent, user-driven manner.
You sound like you actually want to end up with another niche alternative that never does get big.
Is your perfect-world idea for Lemmy just a modestly-sized userbase? Is it already bigger than you’d prefer?
Not true, at this point it seems inevitable that Lemmy will get even bigger. And that’s a good thing in my opinion. But that doesn’t mean it can encompass all different use cases. It’s normal that there will be forks and alternatives, just look at all the different microblogging projects on the Fediverse.
It’s normal that there will be forks and alternatives
This is not the sentiment you have previously expressed in direct response to these forks and alternatives. Thinking specifically about your activity in the sublinks announcement posts.
I only wanted to point out that Sublinks will take a long time to be ready for production and to replace Lemmy. Some people seemed to think that its only a few weeks away. However this doesnt mean I want Sublinks to fail.
Yet there are tens of thousands of users and hundreds of admins who are happy with Lemmy in its current state.
And I’m one of those. Thank you for your service Nutomic!
Youre welcome :)
Yet they believe that they are somehow entitled to dictating what I or Dessalines should work on.
I think this is the most frustrating thing: some people do not value free work. Some people cannot empathize, cannot understand what it is to build something for free and get shit on because it doesn’t fit somebody else’s desires. Block em and move on.
Just keep the negativity out of your life and keep up the good work for lemmy. I’ve reached by quota for opensource donations, but I’m one of those thousands of people who appreciate the work you put in. We are probably the silent majority.
Lemmy’s maintainers seem overworked. As is the case with so much of software dev, (open source or otherwise!) non-programmers are unaware of or underestimate maintenance burden. From the outside, it looks like it’s just about “adding a feature”. But in reality, it’s less about “adding” and more about “growing”. Feature requests generally need to be evaluated with this in mind; whether future development is sustainable with some new feature(s).
I see opportunities here for some software dealing with either ActivityPub directly or with Lemmy’s HTTP API.
Anyone used lemmy-modder? Thoughts?
I had my phone read me the article since I was busy doing some manual task. I wholeheartedly agree. The development of a plugin (or modding for the gaming crowd) system would be massively beneficial for speeding up the development process.
The current issue I have for example: I‘d like lemmy to have some features and I actually can fork it and do a PR if necessary but I dont know how to dockerize the whole thing again and this makes it insanely complicated. A plugin system would mean I can develop something without working on the original thing.
It is what makes kodi gread, what makes long time favorite games great (minecraft, fallout for example) and those are proprietary, for profit games. Imagine the impact of this in the FOSS community. A LOT more people here know how to code and tinker which makes mods and plugins so much more likely to happen.
Anyway, thank you again for providing the instance and your inconsiderable knowledge and ability to write concisely like this. If you ever write a book, I will definitely buy it. Have a good one!
