• Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    edit-2
    9 months ago

    According to Egyptian and Hamas officials, Qatar has threatened to expel Hamas officially from their base in Doha if they don’t come to an agreement, but Badran denied this claim.

    Which ones? Anonymous Hamas witnesses? This article provides no source for its headline whatsoever

  • NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    2
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    9 months ago

    Is nobody going to mention how refusing a temporary ceasefire (aka being genocided again after 6 weeks) is apparently “hardline”?

    • apub879@kbin.earth
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      9 months ago

      Hamas loves committing massacres, that’s why they want a “permanent” ceasefire.

      • Noodle07@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        9 months ago

        Don’t we live in a free world? How dare we take the freedom of Israel away! Genocide freedom is sacred

      • NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        9 months ago

        Why?

        If we can only get one of them, shouldn’t we at least get one?

        I mean fuck Israel, and fuck hummus, but one is better than zero

        • NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          0
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          9 months ago

          That ignores that Hamas is, messed up as it is, one of the few things preventing Israel from turning Gaza into a wasteland and then Lebensraum (which they’re already doing, but you can probably imagine that it would be going a lot faster if there was nobody to resist). You take away however many of Hamas’s numbers you can provably convict for war crimes (I’d wager the number is a lot less than most would expect, but that aside), and Palestinian resistance suffers greatly as a result. Israel takes the opportunity to oppress Palestinians even more, and those Palestinians are rightly convinced that the international community is an enemy just like Israel, only hiding behind a layer of hypocrisy that they call justice.

          The only environment where war criminals in Hamas can be convicted is after Palestine has its own state, and with Israel in tow. Selective justice is oppression, not justice.

  • Binzy_Boi@supermeter.social
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    9 months ago

    This should have been done sooner, we’ve known since basically the beginning of this entire ordeal that the majority of the heads of Hamas relocated to Qatar.

    Israel and it’s allies could have easily made negotiations with Qatar to hand over the Hamas leaders and accomplished a ceasefire sooner using that as leverage, but instead, because Israel’s government has ulterior motives with illegally settling Gaza, they basically erase the existence of the northern portion and have real estate companies advertising new developments on the seafront where Palestinian homes used to be.

    • NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      9 months ago

      To be “fair” Hamas is a grassroots organization. It exists because there’s popular will for it to exist, not because of one person or a few people. This does mean the Israeli Orphanization force is doing anything to curb Hamas, but it’s not like Hamas needs its leaders to exist.

      • cygnus@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        9 months ago

        Since Hamas is internationally recognized as a terrorist organization, are you implying that Palestinians support those views? I’d like to think most of them only want peace.

        • filister@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          9 months ago

          You know one terrorist is a liberation fighter for another. And those labels are given by the strong side.

          There are plenty of examples of very ambiguous terrorist designation by a lot of countries, like Turkiey for example, who have labelled the PKK as a terrorist organisation.

          If Israel had recognised the Palestinian statehood and didn’t make everything possible to prevent them from uniting them, Hamas wouldn’t exist.

          • cygnus@lemmy.ca
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            0
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            9 months ago

            If Israel had recognised the Palestinian statehood and didn’t make everything possible to prevent them from uniting them, Hamas wouldn’t exist.

            I think you may lack the historical background to make these kinds of pronouncements. Palestinian Arabs had been trying to expel Jews since the late Ottoman era. Increased Jewish immigration during British rule only aggravated that.

        • NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          9 months ago

          It’s called a terrorist organization according to the US and its allies. Now they’re not good, more like morally grey, but they’re not any worse than the IDF. Also given that Hamas has agreed to a two-state solution before, I’m not sure what beliefs you’re objecting to Palestinians having.

          • cygnus@lemmy.ca
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            0
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            9 months ago

            Also given that Hamas has agreed to a two-state solution before

            I think you may be conflating Hamas and the PLO. Hamas maintains that Israel should not exist.

            • NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              9 months ago

              Hamas doesn’t recognize Israel, but has stated they’d accept a two-state solution with 1967 borders multiple times.

              • cygnus@lemmy.ca
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                0
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                9 months ago

                Do you think those two things are logically consistent?

                • NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  0
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  9 months ago

                  It’s a decision made for practical reasons, much like the PLO switching from armed to peaceful resistance and the Palestinian resistance movement as a whole switching from taking back all of Palestine to returning to 1967 borders. Hamas ideologically rejects Israel (for good reason) so they’re not willing to recognize it, but denying the position they’re in won’t accomplish anything, hence their current position. You can think of them as a more self-aware IRA.

                  See also: The PLO taking back their recognition of Israel during the second Intifada despite not changing their goal of a two-state solution.