- Trump “will not give a penny” more to Ukraine if he becomes president, Hungary’s prime minister said.
- That’s how Trump plans to end the war, Viktor Orbán, who met Trump at Mar-a-Lago, said.
- The Trump campaign has not said whether the pair discussed Ukraine during the visit.
Someone please just shoot Trump in the fucking face with a high-powered…camera. Please.
Should the title not be “Putin’s ally Trump to end the Ukraine war is to totally cut off funding, says Putin’s closes (hopefully soon out of the EU and NATO) ally”
Lmao of course Putin’s allies know trumps plans.
They are Putin’s plans.
If we genuinely allow this man to run for president and evade jail time, we should genuinely start building guillotines.
I don’t live in US but I’m immensely surprised he can still run for President with all the things going on with him.
Thought by now he would’ve been sent to jail/prison.
Unfortunately the US has basically been running on the polite fiction that people who want to be leaders will be good leaders and behave like rational human beings.
So when someone who has no good intentions and is not rational got into power, we learned that a lot of things we thought of as laws were really just habits.
And as much as it sucks, it’s actually sensible that trump can run until he’s been proven guilty. Otherwise a wannabe dictator could just drown the opposition in frivolous lawsuits and bar them from running because of the suspicion of crime.
Don’t get me wrong, I think trump is guilty as sin and is a danger to our democracy. But, we need to be careful how we respond to this, or it could be worse when the next maniac gets into power and starts banning people from running because all of his opponents are suddenly under investigation for tax irregularities or littering.
He was found guilty of insurrection in a state court. So that he can’t run for president. But then the federal supreme court decided that this particular provision of the constitution is not self executing. And the Congress must pass a law to find Trump ineligible to run. They didn’t comment on the insurrection part.
So Trump has been found guilty of insurrection and he can still run for president.
Unfortunately, a lot of our government is crooked as hell and Trump was basically able to put people that align with him into certain positions, such as two of the supreme justices that oversee very high profile cases such as the one where Trump argued presidents should have immunity from crimes done during presidency.
Then you compound that with the actual literal fascist party that is the Republican party who only care about lining their pockets with money and being ok with corporations running things, and you get the shitshow that is the US today where citizens will actually support a fascist insurrectionist who clearly wants to align himself more with Russia and potentially even China, and says things such as “I will be a dictator for one day” and “the US should pull out of NATO”.
I fear for this country and genuinely am glad I don’t live in the mainland USA - and I wouldn’t be too opposed to having my state go back to being a British Territory if Trump gets elected again.
We are too.
Lmao of course Putin’s allies know trumps plans.
To be fair, you could stop a random person on the streets of America of either major political party and ask them if Trump wins will he give any money to Ukraine and you won’t get a single different answer.
You don’t exactly need an inside line to get this kind of hot tip.
his plan for COVID was just ignoring that problem as well… i think he likes to hide from problems and so do all of his piggy supporters…
everyone knows it’s time to invade Russia and give that regime the merciful death it’s asking for
As much as I’d like that regime to disappear, I wouldn’t go so far as to invade Russia. Putin’s nuclear sabre rattling is obviously bullshit when it comes to Ukraine, but backing them that far into the corner with an invasion is probably one of the few things that brings a real nuclear risk. I’d be more for the “measured” response of hunting down and eliminating any Russian assets found outside Russian borders, perpetually until the Russian people chose a leader who is capable of living in civilized society.
the Russians talk a lot of shit, it’s time to put up or shut up
The Russians also committed a lot of heinous crimes. If you want to bet, place your bet on how many people will die in a nuclear fire, not will it happen or will it not.
we’re about to find out whether you like it or not
Infamy.
As the CIA Director pointed out, we need to give arms to Ukraine at the very least to get Russia to the negotiations table. Otherwise, all we are going to see is a lot of dead Ukrainians and Russians.
Anyone who thinks the war will be over when Ukraine falls is a gullible idiot. The Ruskis will march straight to Moldova after the takeover of Ukraine.
Every non-NATO state on the border will be targeted and incorporated either directly or by being turned into a loyal authoritarian state a la Belarus.
And if the US leaves NATO, that undermines confidence in NATO. The alliance will fall. At that point, either the EU will have to step in and supplant it – in which case the US will no longer be even be PART of the mightiest diplomatic alliance in the world, much less influential in it – or else there’s no reason to think Russian aggression will stop endlessly escalating until all-out war between nuclear powers is on the table.
Additionally, there is already a lot of discussion about nuclear proliferation. Some nations did not develop their own nuclear weapons because the US guaranteed for their security in exchange.
No no no you don’t understand. The war in the rest of Europe will be just beginning, but the war in Ukraine will be over.
Lemmy.world is going to be really fucking surprised when the leftists don’t vote for either fascist candidate and you’re stuck with the orange fuhrer
Lemmy.world is going to be really fucking surprised when the
tankies in USA are fewer in numbers than these idiots expected.
No one in their right mind thinks to abstain from voting to solve the looming threat of Christo-fascism.
Anybody to the left of a generic righty-lib is a tankie apparently now
Enjoy your hellscape I suppose…
Nah but anyone who’s talking of not voting because ‘bOtH pArTiEs bAaAaAd’ is definitely a tankie.
Your us vs. them mentality is likely why Trump got elected in the first place. Remember all of the libs saying he had a 0% chance?
I don’t want the fuhrer, but the current option isn’t getting my vote either, I am voting socialism in 2024.
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Assuming that every voter who is not voting for your candidate is voting for the other candidate instead is such an american brain-worm I STG. You have more than 2 options.
YOU get the fuhrer, I personally do not get the fuhrer. Passport is already rearing to go you dork.
If you decide to avoid the popular vote of paid healthcare, taxing the 1%, and ending the MIC; and instead, vote for the “other” genocidal old man, let it rest on your conscience not mine.
Yet another reason that odious orange toad should be denied a second term.
This Trump, Orban, Putin triangle makes me think of the TV series The Handmaid’s Tale where the US slides into civil war and global isolation. Instead of the Sons Of Jacob you have Trump.
Seriously, if Trump is besties with Orban and he beats Biden to the Whitehouse the US is heading for very dark times.
The entire World is in a dire position with climate change and all that. The USA turning inwards to settle it’s culture war will have global ramifications. It’s already happening
To be more clear, if Trump manages to capture the presidency, I fully expect him to withdraw the US from NATO.
And the US leaving NATO would be absolutely, categorically, inarguably, and apocalyptically stupid.
It was his intention to do this last time.
He never intended to lose (or to be removed after rejecting a loss), so there was no rush
Can Trump alone withdrawal us from NATO?
No, which is why it didn’t happen in his first term. Lots of people threw sand in the gears to slow that effort down.
It’s just that if he gets in again, he’s openly said he’s going to fire a shitload of people all over the government and replace them with Trump loyalists (regardless of whether or not it’s legal), so it will probably actually happen if he captures the presidency again.
Relaxing people for family members and other loyalist is fair game in an autocracy.
Nope, but he can fuck NATO over internally well enough.
The money that runs this country wouldn’t stand for the level of disruption that’d cause to the ongoing grift to slow/stop. Same why we likely won’t ever crash out on the deficit, the rating downgrade scared them so bad the Republicans made a deal ASAP last time
What’s terrifying is if the money decides to go in and join in the ‘creative destruction’ via another Business Plot and co-opts authoritarianism
I am not sure why people say that when Trump said, if they didn’t honor their commitments, we would leave.
Since the invasion, most countries have finally stepped up to pair their obligation. Funny how Trump was right.
No he wasn’t. His comments are a self fulfilling prophecy. If an alliance that is strong because they are united under the US umbrella has the potential leader of said alliance state he no longer feels he needs to back his allies… they must.
But:
- The 2% is a guideline not a rule
- They got to pay… who? The defence industry… it’s not a membership fee.
- many countries where already investing more
- spending more on defense is not simple, procurement takes yeeeaaars… so countries that started ramp up projects years ago are now in the position to actually spend more.
- The only time NATO needed to openly wage war was in defence of the US. So the commitment of the rest of NATO is fact, the US’s isn’t.
So the commitment of the rest of NATO is fact, the US’s isn’t. Well, if that is the way you feel, then the United States should just leave NATO. If having the largest Army in the world and saving Europe in two wars isn’t proof of commitment, then we should just sit the next one out. It sounds like we are not wanted or needed.
Ah the “Fine, I’ll takey ball and go home” arguement.
Referring to WW2 that was self preservation as much as anything else, and it is not like they got poorer from it. The US made bank after WW2.
The US called upon NATO after September 9th and everyone came. So that also shows something, but I guess that does not count.
And now the US is gearing up for their “inevitable” conflict with China. But for that they will need their allies too. So by showing your allies you are unreliable, countries might start making other choices. You know, self preservation.
Ww2 was because Japan attacked the United States and in brilliant move, Germany declared war.
If we go to war with China, we don’t need the help of others. They need our help.
It’s why Australia is asking for us to build bases. They know they can’t take China.
Japan at least is taking it seriously and arming up for war. They beat China once
American exceptionalism at its finest.
We are exceptional. We are the only real super power in the world. I am not ashamed of my country. We need to the beacon of the world and sadly we’ve let that falter. We need another Reagan to get us back on track
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Yeah people dying is just like poke mon cards. Not wanting to eee kids to die is just like poke mon cards.
I have never seen a comment devalue human life in such trivial way.well done
Good job entirely (and, I think, intentionally) misinterpreting the whole fuckin’ context of the situation.
Be more clear in your point. I get you don’t like Trump but what he said was true.
Now everyone is scurrying because he was right.
Hate the man as much as you want but at the end of the day, he was right.
You fight a war with the Army you have, not the one you can build in the next five years. Europe has not taken their defense seriously, and it isn’t our job to spend our money to defend Europe. It is our job to help in their defense.
Putin was a wakeup call to Europe and hopefully they leaned you always need to be prepared for war.
Ok, sure, let’s play your game.
Let’s say Trump gets in, and the US fucks off from NATO. What then?
Outline the ramifications for me. I have a pretty concrete idea of what the fallout would be, but I want you to tell me what you think would happen, in your own words.
Easy Trump says we are leaving NATO then he finds out he can’t. So the united states stays in NATO. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/12/16/congress-nato-exit-trump/
I get Trump is the baba yaga to most people but congress was smart enough to cover their bases.
Check out what community they moderate, it’s very telling.
I just miss the era when the vast majority of Americans were on the same page regarding potentially dangerous geopolitical crap. Politics used to end at the water’s edge for the most part, but not anymore.
Everyone now just chooses a “side” and blindly defends it, no matter how wrong it is. There is zero room for nuance. It’s exhausting to talk to people like Wintermute who will ignore all evidence that is contrary to their opinions and will resort to bad faith arguments every single time. And then blindly accuse othet people of doing the same when called out.
Politics have gone to hell and we’re all worse off for it.
Trump and the repubs are traitorous pieces of shit. I hope that orange turd has a massive heart attack as soon as possible, preferably before the election.
Slava Ukraini!
I mean, it’s either that or more Ukrainians die.
There is no chance they can win without foreign troops on the ground.
Given their genocide in Western Ukraine I’d say that letting Russia overrun the country will result in a lot of deaths.
That’s a great way to encourage Russian election interference in his favor
This is the best summary I could come up with:
In comments made to Hungarian news outlet M1, Orbán said Trump has detailed plans on how to end the war, Reuters reported.
The Trump campaign’s statement about the meeting between Trump and Orbán didn’t mention Ukraine, saying only that the two men had discussed issues affecting their respective countries and the importance of strong border security.
The campaign did not immediately respond to Business Insider’s request for comment, sent outside of working hours.
Pro-Trump Republicans in Congress have also vocally opposed further aid to Ukraine, sending a bill with $60 billion earmarked for the country into limbo.
He has also frequently expressed frustration with fellow NATO states and the scale of their contribution to collective defense.
Trump has suggested that, under his leadership, the US would refuse to come to the aid of fellow NATO states that have not met the threshold, even saying that he would encourage Russia to attack them.
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