• helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world
        7·
        3 months ago

        Na, some of us still deal with these style connectors. Not so much for video, but it’s still used for rs-232 (control signal) and other data. They are great when you dont want the connector to ever fall out.

        • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
          2·
          3 months ago

          I’ve seen plenty of medical devices with rs232 ports. And I’m sure there’s a lot of legacy machinery out there which require them.

          If you have a factory and your computer-controlled machinery was installed in 1995 but still works just fine, you’re probably not going to invest in newer equipment until it becomes a problem.

    • Madison420@lemmy.world
      1·
      3 months ago

      Screw loosie in tight as you can by hand, give the plug a moderate side to side jiggle, loosen tighty first then loosie.

    • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.caEnglish
      13·
      3 months ago

      I like DVI. I prefer it most of the time.

      I like the screw in connector because I don’t have to worry about it falling out of the PC or monitor, and it is more robust, less likely to be pulled/bent/broken.

      Unfortunately, even monitor vendors don’t seem to agree that DVI was/is good, and I’ve seen a lot of displays shipping without it recently. GPU makers have entirely gone to displayport/HDMI. It’s the end of an era, as far as I’m concerned.

      I’ve switched almost entirely to DP, since I can’t get DVI anything anymore. I don’t hate DP. I like it more than the friction fit HDMI which is prone to pulling itself out of the port for no good reason just as your opponent is about to come around the corner and all you can do is stare at yourself in the black mirror that your monitor has become and listen in horror as fartmaster69420 frags you again, bragging about it and telling you that you suck, and how he does unspeakable things to your mother over VC in his prepubescent voice.

      Anyways. I miss DVI.

      • thawed_caveman@lemmy.world
        4·
        3 months ago

        I’ve recently plugged and unplugged a lot of monitors, and the way DP keeps itself attached it with those little claws, and you have to push a button to release it. But when there’s 4 monitors plugged into the same GPU, you can’t access those buttons. The struggle was real.

        In comparison the DVI connector just needed a screwdriver

        • borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          2·
          3 months ago

          I’m trying to figure out what this person is doing that would lead to an HDMI cable, or any cable really, getting pulled out of the port on the monitor or the computer while gaming. The only situations i can think of would be more of a hinderance to playing the game than the monitor blanking out, like the laptop or desktop falling off a desk or something.

          • thereisalamp@reddthat.com
            1·
            3 months ago

            I do have this problem with the monitor I hook up to my laptop for gaming occasionally. It’s looser because it gets plugged and unplugged more commonly and can occasionally slip out of I move my laptop to my lap so I can lean back when my back starts to ache.

            But this is not a common situation I think

          • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.caEnglish
            1·
            3 months ago

            I was mostly being fatecious for effect/comedy.

            But working IT support, I’ve had users complain that their computer doesn’t work, then travel to their location and find the HDMI connection fell out.

            I’ve wasted countless hours troubleshooting a plug. It’s a big reason I like the latch on DP and I prefer DVI when possible. No user error with things just getting unplugged.

            I use DP for my computer, HDMI for all my TVs, and it works fine. I don’t make it a habit to mess with the cables, for laptops I tend to try to use docks so I’m only plugging in one cable while I’m stationary, and my displays are always connected to the dock.

            The example rant I provided had no basis in reality. Just something I came up with because I thought it would be funny. The only point that had any actual real world relevance is the fact that HDMI can become unplugged if not properly seated, or if it’s pulled at all, or if the friction fit is generally loose from wear&tear. That’s all. I’m just trying to be funny beyond that.

            Either way, I’m not going to tell you how to live your life; so if you prefer HDMI, that’s fine. You use what you want to use. I’m not about to tell you that your choices are invalid because I don’t prefer it. Your decision doesn’t affect me, so you can do as you wish. I won’t try to change your mind.

            Have a good day.

        • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.caEnglish
          3·
          3 months ago

          You obviously don’t use HDMI the same way I’ve seen it used by some people.

          I do IT support for a living and I’ve had a non-zero number of tickets where I literally have to go over and plug in someone’s display because they managed to disconnect it.

      • Red Army Dog Cooper@lemmy.ml
        5·
        3 months ago

        VGA has outlived DVI… I can buy a new monitor with VGA and get a new VGA cable at almost any store … DVI is hard to find anything but a DVI to VGA adapter

            • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.caEnglish
              1·
              3 months ago

              You’re entitled to that opinion. I don’t hate you for it. I would be lying to say I understood.

              DVI could operate in three modes, either DVI-A, which was basically just VGA adapted to the DVI connector, DVI-D, which is the primary digital mode, then there was dual link which doubled the bandwidth for the DVI digital mode, allowing higher resolutions and higher refresh rates.

              By comparison HDMI can only do a single digital link.

              DVI is great IMO.

              • Red Army Dog Cooper@lemmy.ml
                1·
                3 months ago

                I am not going to lie, while I appreciate the 3 modes that is the part that I think I ended up hating, not that it could do that but that so many times you would get either a cable or a port that would only accept -a or more often -d made it incredably hard.

                I can also appreciate that on paper DVI is amazing and should still be arround, (also Displayport should be more popular than HDMI … HDMI should be the port in the grave) it does not mean I do not have this irrational hatred for DVI that makes no sense at all…

                • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.caEnglish
                  1·
                  3 months ago

                  I’m not judging. I just wanted to detail a couple of my favorite things about it.

                  I’m not foolish enough to think I’m going to change your mind about it. Your criticisms are valid, and you are free to like or dislike anything you wish.

                  Have a good day.

      • fossilesque@mander.xyzEnglish
        7·
        3 months ago

        Poverty homies rise up, also I won’t turn down a free tv. I upcycled a few for extra monitors.

        • dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world
          8·
          3 months ago

          That’s one advantage to living in the 21st century: computer “bone yards” and trash-picked parts are stupidly high quality “trash” compared to decades ago.

          • fossilesque@mander.xyzEnglish
            2·
            3 months ago

            All 3 HDMI ports are broken. That’s why it was gotten rid of, so I chain adapters with cables I have. Works like a gem. All of my monitors are upcycled. There is so much e-waste because people don’t use adapters.

              • fossilesque@mander.xyzEnglish
                1·
                3 months ago

                Asking friends and family for old tech is a gold mine too, especially if you can pop old hard drives in a case for them. Most people wont touch that stuff.

            • FiskFisk33@startrek.website
              1·
              3 months ago

              wow that’s one hell of a dumpster find! even with those ports dead, a 3070 is worth like what, half a kidney?

              nice!

              • fossilesque@mander.xyzEnglish
                1·
                3 months ago

                Haha, minor misunderstanding, though I did get a deal on the card, I mean the TV was the one with the broken parts.

          • Hedlosa@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            2·
            3 months ago

            I used to have to, when the monitor does not have any modern ports, you have to get creative with adapters.

            Source: Me with my own 1050ti stuck into an optiplex build and early 2000s monitor because I was broke

  • dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world
    15·
    3 months ago

    All I can say is that we are fortunate that the overlap between “VGA ports everywhere” and “battery operated impact drivers” is almost zero on the timeline. Imagine trying to unscrew a VGA plug by hand that was tightened down to ugga-dugga-foot-pounds of torque. Of course that assumes that didn’t shear the screws first.

  • The_Tired_Horizon@lemmy.world
    3·
    3 months ago

    Kind of wish USB has securing screws sometimes …the amount of times I’ve accidentally caught a cable and yanked one out (oo-er)

    • Imprudent3449@lemm.ee
      9·
      3 months ago

      Depends on the device I imagine. Way back in the olden days I remember pulling my NES along with a handful of games down from the tv stand because I caught a controller walking by. When Xbox introduced the break away cords it was a Godsend in our clumsy house.

    • SuperApples@lemmy.world
      8·
      3 months ago

      I tighten them and it saved my monitor! Robbers broke in to our house, stole a bunch of stuff. The computer monitor was still there, connected to the computer, dangling from the table.

      How do I know they tried to steal it? Because they tried to cut through the cable with PAPER SCISSORS, because they didn’t know how to unscrew the cables.

      I feel sorry for the dumb robbers. I hope they didn’t pawn it and are still enjoying playing Wii Fitness without the balance board, which they neglected to take with the console.

  • Pantherina@feddit.de
    3·
    3 months ago

    At least they had screws? I dont trust HDMI or even worse USB-C. Still using VGA monitors with adapters, never broke a single plug.

    • ultranaut@lemmy.world
      2·
      3 months ago

      I sort of miss the screws too but it’s so much better when a cable accidentally gets yanked and it just comes right out instead of transmitting the force into whatever it’s attached to.

    • dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world
      21·
      3 months ago

      I’m still waiting for the other shoe to drop on USB-C/Thunderbolt. Don’t get me wrong - I think it’s a massive improvement for standardization and peripheral capability everywhere. But I have a hard-used Thinkpad that’s on and off the charging cable all day, constantly getting tugged in every possible direction. I’m afraid the physical port itself is going to give up long before the rest of the machine does. I’m probably going to need Louis Rossmann level skills to re-solder it when the time comes.

      Edit: I’m also wondering if the sudden fragility of peripheral connections (e.g. headphones, classic iPod, USB mini/micro) and the emergence of the RoHS standard (lead-free solder) is not a coincidence.

      • Pantherina@feddit.de
        2·
        3 months ago

        On my Thinkpad the ports where both soldered to the mobo, unlike some random other USB daughterboard. Really annoying, on my T430 the port is a separate piece and can be easily replaces with a cable.

        But no, USB-c is pretty tough for me, when done right. But its still too small for no reason in Laptops.

    • mihnt@lemy.lol
      2·
      3 months ago

      Why are you using VGA when DVI-D exists? Or Displayport for that matter.

          • Pantherina@feddit.de
            1·
            3 months ago

            Why should I? Full HD and working well, no reason to do so, new displays are 100€+ which is freaking expensive for that improvement

            • mihnt@lemy.lol
              2·
              3 months ago

              Because there’s plenty of used monitors to be had out there that have DVI on them in some capacity for very reasonable prices.

              For instance I just purchased 4 x 24inch Samsung monitors for $15 USD each.

      • renzev@lemmy.worldEnglish
        02·
        3 months ago

        All those new video standards are pointless. VGA supports 1080p at 60Hz just fine, anything more than that is unnecessary. Plus, VGA is easier to implement that HDMI or Displayport, keeping prices down. Not to mention the connector is more durable (well, maybe DVI is comparable in terms of durability)

        • borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          1·
          3 months ago

          I have a 2560x1080p monitor, and while I want to upgrade to a 1440p since the monitors control joystick nub recently broke off I can’t really justify it. I have a 4080s and just run all my games with DLDSR so they in engine render at 1440p or 4k, then I let nvidia ai magic downsample and output the 1080p image to my monitor. Shit looks crispy, no aliasing to speak of so I can turn off the often abysmal in game AA, I have no real complaints. A higher resolution monitor would look marginally better I’m sure, but it’s not worth the cost of a new one to me yet. When I can get a good 21:9 HDR oled without forced oled care cycles or another screen technology that has as good blacks and spot brightness I’ll make the jump.

          From what people have told me, 144hz is definitely noticeable in games. I can see it feeling better in an online fps, but i recently had a friend tell me that Cyberpunk with maxed out settings and with ray tracing enabled was “unplayable” on a 4080s, and “barely playable” on a 4090, just because the frame rate wasn’t solidly 144 fps. I’m more inclined to agree with your take on this and chalk his opinion up to trying to justify his monitor purchase to himself.

          All that said, afaik you can’t do VRR over VGA/DVI-D. If you play games on your PC, Freesync or G-Sync compatibility is absolutely necessary in my own opinion.

        • Fuck spez@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          1·
          3 months ago

          VGA is analog. You ever look at an analog-connected display next to an identical one that’s connected with HDMI/DP/DVI? Also, a majority of modern systems are running at around 2-4 * 1080p, and that’s hardly unnecessary for someone who spends 8+ hours in front of one or more monitors.

          • renzev@lemmy.worldEnglish
            13·
            3 months ago

            I look at my laptop’s internal display side-by-side with an external VGA monitor at my desk nearly every day. Not exactly a one-to-one comparison, but I wouldn’t say one is noticeably worse than the other. I also used to be under the impression that lack of error correction degrades the image quality, but in reality it just doesn’t seem to be perceptible, at least over short cables with no strong sources of interference.

        • mihnt@lemy.lol
          0·
          3 months ago

          I think you are speaking on some very different use cases than most people.

          • renzev@lemmy.worldEnglish
            12·
            3 months ago

            Really, what “normal people” use cases are there for a resolution higher than 1080p? It’s perfectly fine for writing code, editing documents, watching movies, etc. If you are able to discern the pixels, it just means you’re sitting too close to your monitor and hurting your eyes. Any higher than 1080p and, at best you don’t notice any real difference, at worst you have to use hacks like UI Scaling or non-native resolution to get UI elements to display at a reasonable size.

            • Pantherina@feddit.de
              1·
              3 months ago

              Its unneeded perfectionism that you get used to. And its expensive and makes big tech rich. Know where to stop.

            • everett@lemmy.ml
              3·
              3 months ago

              Sharper text for reading more comfortably, and viewing photos at nearly full resolution. You don’t have to discern individual pixels to benefit from either of these. And stuff you wouldn’t think of, like small thumbnails and icons can actually show some detail.

            • borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com
              1·
              3 months ago

              I think a 1440p monitor is a good compromise between additional desktop real estate on an equivalently sized monitor and dealing with the UI being so small you have to scale back the vast majority of that usable space.

              People are getting fucking outrageous with their monitor sizes now. There’s monitors that are 38”, 42”+, and some people are using monstrous 55” TVs as monitors on their fucking desks. While I personally think putting something that big on your desk is asinine, the pixel density of even a 27” 1080p monitor is pushing the boundary of acceptable, regardless of how close to the monitor you are.

              Also just want to point out that the whole “sitting too close to three screen will hurt your eyes” thing is bullshit. For people with significant far-sightedness it can cause discomfort in the moment, mostly due to difficulty focusing and the resulting blurriness. For people with “normal” vision or people with near-sightedness it won’t cause any discomfort. In any case, no long term or permanent damage will occur. Source from an edu here

    • Votes@lemm.ee
      3·
      3 months ago

      Good news, USB-C has two formats with screws: 1 on either side like VGA or 1 on top. Though I’ve never seen them in real life.

    • motor_spirit@lemmy.world
      11·
      3 months ago

      do you live ON train tracks? how often is shit just falling out around you? usually a pretty cozy fit on most things imo 🤔

      do you like the display port push tab? I feel like many of those are a PITA for real

  • Anna@lemmy.ml
    1·
    3 months ago

    Can someone explain what is this to people born in this century.