As a new user, I’m enjoying Mastodon’s vibe so far but the one thing that is a letdown is the trending hashtags. I’ve been checking them regularly over the past couple of weeks and it seems like they’re pretty much always like this.
Even on days with big news stories, people on Mastodon are only talking about what day of the week it is like company employees on some internal message board?
Is there anything that can be done to liven them up a bit?
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Based on all the comments though, the reason seems to be baked into Mastodon’s design
It seems to be a clash of what two groups of users want since a few seem to be happy with how Mastodon does it.
I generally agree with this sentiment completely, but in this case the solution is beyond what I, as a single user, can achieve.
I’m wondering whether the hashtag ranking system could be filtered and tweaked to make the topics more varied and less boring.
Because mastodon doesn’t have an algo that promotes division and controversial topics. These hashtags are what normal, everyday people talk about. Drama isn’t its strongest side.
yeah sounds like boring shit. I get that already from talking to actual people, not virtue signalling boomers on mastodon
the lack of algo reduces the quality of content to this garbage, but this is the same people who think more content is bad as well. I don’t want some breaking or interesting post to be hidden by some random person posting completely meaningless garbage
The amount of people on Mastodon who are like “ahh finally, nothing interesting to look at now that I left Twitter, I am at peace and can just scroll through pictures of someone’s dinner and obscure academic naval gazing :)” is so high
You sound like you might enjoy TikTok more.
Yeah it’s either useless boring small talk on Mastodon, or zoomer tik tok. Absolutely no middle.
*useless only if you have no interests. There’s plenty of people talking hobbies and interests. If you’re just shooting shit, I agree, it’s boring. And no, there’s no middle. Maybe Instagram is the middleground?
It’s boring and shitty. It’s hard to find interesting stuff. Good luck finding trending/newsworthy events.
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I think the #tuesday hashtag isn’t really what normal people talk about, but probably people gaming the system to get on a reliably trending hashtag.
I guess the reality is that I want at least SOME controversy. I don’t know why the only two choices have to be “fascism-enabling hellscape” or “nobody saying anything interesting ever.” There has to be at least some possible middle ground!
I agree. I want to see people’s opinions on the news of the day. By the way, I recommend following @BlackAzizAnansi@mas.to if you want a little controversy. He was one of my favorite posters from Twitter & has gone all-in on Mastodon.
I agree. The Trending algorithm needs improvement. Luckily, we can do that ourselves.
explain how
By creating a pull request in Github. (Don’t yet angry, that was supposed to be a lighthearted joke)
I can imagine some alpha-cunt Tate-esque grifter selling courses on how to “Just Shout at People” like it’s some sort of magic spell that mysteriously makes everything that you want happen.
Selling it like it’s the hidden secret sauce to the universe or whatever, rather than just being a dick to everyone.
Would the community even be any worse, I wonder? :)
i angy 😡
Wait, so the recent topics that occur suddenly on Twitter aren’t the normal things people talk about? So the hype on Twitter events are fake?
They are. But they’re also influenced by who talks about it, how many comments, replies, likes it has. How many people click on it. Etc.
On mastodon is just how many people used the hashtag in a short period of time.
I think as Mastodon gets more popular, we will see more interesting tags pop up
Are you saying that Lemmy does have those algorithms? Because this shit is never boring lol so many instances I never wanted to see or know existed…
Slightly related: how many freaking instances of “yiff” shit do we need!? I couldn’t believe I was STILL seeing it after I blocked like 7 separate instances lol
Lemmy ““promotes”” upvoted stuff.
Mastodon “Trending” is just stuff that wasn’t talked about, suddenly being talked about. That’s why constantly popular things don’t appear on Trending, but things like “BigBoobFridayWhatever” (or equivalent) gets trending (people don’t use the hashtag for a week, and everyone use it for that day). I see how they thought it’s perfect for world-wide events, but it just end-up being a bunch of “weekly” stuff.
BigBoobFriday has to happen.
Needs more alliteration. #MassiveMammaryMonday
#TitularTitanticTittyTuesdays
I will make it happen.
Furries invade every tech space because they’re all programmers for some reason. Must have something to do with being bullied as a kid and/or never seeing boobs irl. I know because I like their porn but not their identity, I’d never wear a suit but a cat is fine too
For a long while, before the twitter implosion, hardly anyone used them at all. My thought is it just never caught on for the most part. With the ability to follow tags now and more twitter migratees it seems to be more common to see them but still doesn’t seem as much of a standard practice as with other sites.
If you have any specific hobbies / fandoms / communities you’re interested in, you could see if there are instances specific to those interests you could migrate your account to. The local feed and local hashtags are sometimes way more interesting if you’re on an instance you jive with.
The hashtags are near unreadable and almost never interesting. Please capitalize each word.
camelCaseForTheWin
#YouMeanPascalCaseNo?
ive noticed hashtags are not very popular likely due to them being overdone.
like lemmy, your mastadon exp is highly dependent upon your instance.
The UIs make adding hashtags difficult, and then Mastodon users (like me) say fOlLoW HaShTaGs.
The truth is that Mastodon needs better discovery tools built in.
You’re right, it is.
However, I’m on a server (fosstodon.org) that has an active Local thread and plenty of users and the trending hashtags still look like this pretty much every day.
for hashtags id say its just not popular, they have fallen out of favor in a lot of groups on twitter as well, for example if you want to know about AI research, not a single AI researcher worth anything is posting with hashtags. You have to find and follow them.
Mastodon being even more indie is just reflecting this growing preference. Hashtags are tools of marketers thanks to twitter and fb, they won’t go away but thier cringe factor in casual social posts is likely to stick around for a bit.
Isn’t that a problem for Mastodon, then, since it’s far more reliant on hashtags to drive discoverability due to the lack of algorithm?
It’s fundamental to mastodon… you can subscribe to hashtags, you can search hashtags, but you can’t (usually) search posts directly. That works for the most part, but does limit discoverability slightly.
Groups seem to be the new hotness, though… there are some 3rd party implementations already but a proper implementation in the core is upcoming: https://joinmastodon.org/roadmap
maybe, communities and forums worked great for decades before hashtags became common. Some might say its a cope for cheap and poorly developed search algos soon to be replaced by much more sophisticated systems.
I don’t know, but to me this isn’t really dull. I wonder if it is matched with actual current events? Like, for example, if an earthquake, #earthquake and similar hashtags will show on trending section
That doesn’t seem to be the case. For example, on the day that Threads was launched there was plenty of people tagging #Threads, but it wasn’t mentioned in this list.
No egos, rage bait or dumbasses.
Sometimes I miss that though. I remember seeing a tweet a while back that said something to the effect of “twitter is boring until the unemployed people wake up at noon and start their shit”. Unfortunately, it looks like everyone on mastodon is a normal employed adult, which isn’t as fun.
this is threads now
You don’t want to see some thick trunks on Tuesdays?
Because it’s just an incredibly small userbase made up mostly of tech/privacy enthusiasts as of right now.
It’s not that incredibly small
Are tech/privacy enthusiasts known for being super into Wednesdays?
I’d expect them to be… I don’t know, complaining about Prime Day sales today. Or taking about something remotely interesting. And I bet they are, but Mastodon isn’t finding it.
Oh hell yeah they are. I’m a tech enthusiast, myself. Don’t even get me started on Wednesdays because I’ll never stop.
They have 2 million active users supposedly, 10 times bigger than Lemmy.
Yeah, that surprised me, actually.
I just took Mastodon for a spin only a week or so ago, and it felt much less active than most of the communities on here do. Just my anecdotal experience, though. I couldn’t find more than a handful of Twitter-migrated accounts on Mastodon that I cared to follow. There just wasn’t much happening on there that I’m interested in when I last checked. I’ll look again.
because they nerf discoverability so hard. You wouldn’t be surprised they hate Lemmy and how it crawls instances so you can actually find their communities in the search feature. They strongly hate that for some reason, somehow about it hurting minorities or some shit. That tends to be their go to if you disagree with the hivemind’s stance on anything, that you must hate minorities.
Lmao, yeh it sounds exactly like what I thought it would be. Attracts a certain type of person and politics.
Kinda curious to what kind of content you expect to see more in Mastodon. The little I’ve looked at some instances, I’ve thought “so this is what a saner twitter looks like”, which I agree, looks boring.
Then again, I’ve always found the idea of twitter boring. Too much noise
You don’t think the #tuesday chatter is exciting? For real though, I get the same vibe. It usually makes me close the app shortly after I open it. Maybe I’m not giving it enough of a chance.
When I first started using mastodon, I started believing it’s actually a tool to train people to stop using social media
This is so bizarre. Who is going around putting #tuesday or #wednesday on their posts? They want to capture the audience that wants to read more about what day it is?
To be fair, that is kind of the original point of hashtagging on platforms without full-text search.
For categorisation.
Thank you, my point exactly. And it’s literally like this every day.
It’s weird.From a brief browse, it looks like the day of the week is mostly hashtag spam, presumably for the purpose of trying to get noticed by using an easy and reliable trending hashtag. I saw one post about the Wednesday Addams TV show, but everything else was literally the day of the week. About half of the uses were in long lists of hashtags.
There totally is – you could toot a bunch about the stuff you want to see on the platform!
I’m doing that already.
