“I expect a semi-dystopian future with substantial pain and suffering for the people of the Global South,” one expert said.
So when did all you blowhards go vegan?
oh you didnt?
Ok then.
At this point it’s whatever helps you sleep at night. A moral high ground will definitely help though.
Nothing an individual does to reduce is going to make even a droplet in the ocean of pollution.
If everyone on earth went vegan tomorrow we’d still be fucked 15 different ways.
Yeah so your argument is don’t even try. Great help you are.
My argument would be that individual actions are useless or even harmful. Collective, smart action is required. This problem is bigger than any one of us but not bigger than every one of us.
The main problem is that even if I myself literally stopped existing right now thus reducing any and all pollution I generate, that would still not change the fact that the largest pollutants are big mega corporations and one single person really has no noticeable effect.
Eh humanity had a good run.
No, no we didn’t.
Yes, you did. Time to go, bye.
Seems low.
To be fair we don’t know what the bottom climate scientists think. They be closer to 100%.
22% of climate scientists are likely funded by big oil. The other 1% are just normal stupid.
There’s definitely some in there that think 2.5C is optimistic.
I can see some climate scientists just saying that 2.5C won’t be as dire as others predict without being stupid or paid off. There are often contrarians and sometimes (not often, but sometimes) they can be right, so it’s healthy to have them even when there is broad consensus. It’s how we came to accept ideas like plate tectonics.
So sure, maybe some of them are paid off (I doubt any of them are stupid since they have scientific degrees), but maybe some of them just disagree about the predictions for whatever semi-legitimate or maybe even legitimate reason and that’s fine. It’s worth exploring why just in case they could be right. The thing is, they’re scientists who are dissenting, not just some random guy on Facebook, which is why it’s worth exploring them.
Extreme weather will make a lot of places rethink their infrastructure and whether they should even move somewhere else.
Bye Florida.
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I just hope im gonna be as excited to see this „civilization„ fall as I think I am. Humanity is just fucking disappointing.
the problem is that we not only doom ourselves with the collapse of civilization but we doom so many innocent creatures who had nothing to do with this. the animals deserve better.
You really want to live through a “Children Of Men” world? I’d rather be dead.
Shit, do I get to choose? Than hell fucking no. But I don’t, do I?
I hope I’ll have the balls to kill myself when all this shit collapses and our last breaths turn into wars.
if you’re going to kill yourself because you have nothing left to lose, why wouldn’t you take a few assholes that deserve it with you?
we need some people, either hacking or inside job, setting the temperature in all conference rooms used by any politicians worldwide 2.5 degrees C higher than normal.
Oh, if only.
The shitty thing is they’d start wearing lighter clothes, and use it as a campaign point that it’s not that bad, actually. Power appears to be a hell of a drug.
Then we get inside people to give them 1/4 of their catered food that they ordered so they can be warmer AND hungrier.
Let. Them. Fight.
It’s all just scare tactics, they’ll say.
Also, that feeling of power.
Ah, the entire collection of S. Harris’ Global Warming cartoons, though lumped together with other environmental topics, is worth linking.
More like +10.5°C in room A and -8°C in room B.
People will be fleeing famine, uninhabitable areas, rising sea levels and wars. The areas that can support life will grow smaller, more valuable and crowded.
What worries me is that combined with anti immigrants sentiment. I fear beaches of dead as people are prevented from fleeing. I read a SciFi with that and it chilled me as I can see it happening.
Prevented from arriving is how anti immigration works, not leaving. Jesus. Think. If you can.
Will we be assholes if when this happens we be like. WE FUCKING TOLD YOU THIS WOULD HAPPEN, but y’all more concerned with arguing over pronouns and protests (I support both).
I mean the ones that think that trans people shouldn’t have human rights also tend to be the ones who don’t believe in climate change so…
so ____ all conservatives for the sake of humanity. i’ve been saying this for decades.
Given that they’re anti-humanity, it seems like a logical step.
it is.
Lol ook.
hear hear! please stop fighting over the petty things and get to work on the things that matter. electing a president that will fight climate change is far more important than what happens in the middle east.
I get your frustration. I feel it myself. Still, I fear, calling people assholes won’t be helpful and prevent folks from admitting they did wrong. At the same time, it can always get worse (hotter) and I think it would be best to win as many people over as possible, to do the right thing.
I don’t know. We’re fucked anyway, I guess.
Yes yes, suddenly we shouldn’t mock because it’s unhelpful…not see through at all.
mocking is pointless. most conservatives don’t care if you mock them. neutralizing their threat to democracy is the answer.
stop worrying about being polite and start attacking the root of the problem - conservatives.
I’ve been living in coastal Southeastern Texas for 44 years. Im 46. In 2017 my county rezoned us as a flood zone because of the Havey flooding caused all the poor planning. An entire section of the state reclassified because “interstate highway” needed to be bigger.
They’ve been building the same 50ish miles for at least 27 years. All they’ve managed to do is ruin what was naturally occurring barriers and eroded our ability to maintain habitation. Or to expect a reasonable ability to protect against a disaster.
We’re leaving 3.4 acres my grandfather bought in 1986, and gave my sister and I in 2007.
And that’s just MY story. We had 375 neighbors in my area and at least 30% have moved on since 2017.
And that’s just one coastal city, in one state, in one country, on one continent.
I don’t have a lot of fantasy about humanities future.
Can I ask where others are moving to?
I couldn’t possibly say…
My picks are Michigan, Minnesota ( because of the Great Lakes) and Alaska.
Literally every projection made about today, 20 years ago, was false. I swear yall have zero pattern recognition.
What?
What projections are you looking at? It is a few cherry picked ones? Generally the projections going back to the 80s are in line with what’s actually happening, if anything they were optimistic.
Even if you don’t agree with projection or that we’re actually in-line with them, the correlation between carbon in the atmosphere and global temperature isn’t disputable anymore.
Was false… because it was optimistic seen from today.
The projections made by the Club of Rome in 1972 in Limits to Growth are still valid. Should we wait until 2040 to see if the computer simulations were true?
“I think we are headed for major societal disruption within the next five years,” Gretta Pecl of the University of Tasmania told The Guardian. “[Authorities] will be overwhelmed by extreme event after extreme event, food production will be disrupted. I could not feel greater despair over the future.”
But, reason to keep fighting:
Others found hope in the climate activism and awareness of younger generations, and in the finding that each extra tenth of a degree of warming avoided protects 140 million people from extreme temperatures.
What we need is a Ministry for the Future without a killer heatwave killing millions.
There was a powercut this week in a large part of Mexico (I know because of family from there). They’re getting rarer now as Mexico has really tried to get its grid uptogether. The downside of countries like this having more stable grids is more people and business installing aircon systems, which just means more energy used, more emissions.
The funny thing is there are ways to passively cool areas. You can literally install shading over windows and walls that face the main sun. Last year in the UK we had a few days where it was over 35C. Nobody here has aircon. So that heat is a shock to us. But I managed to cover the outside of open windows with reflective bubble wrap insulation cut into sheets.
I also installed a small solar system on our shed to run a fridge freezer out there. The funny thing is the half inch stand-offs actively created significant shading and the inside of the shed really cooled down to where we could sit in there and chill out or do tasks without melting. When I realised this I started looking online for research on solar power and shading and found agrovoltaics. Solar panels over farm crops such as fruit in hotter regions mean less watering needed… its more spread out than usual solar farms as it has to let the sun in a bit more to the food but its something that needs to be done more.
I also read of people ignoring their energy policy for their home electric and installing grid-tie solar. They use sheds, stands in their garden, conservatory roofing etc, and usually just a few hundred watts of solar. Typically homes have a fuse rating of 30-50 amps. One 300w solar panel grid tied is not going to be anywhere near that, but will mean up to 300w of clean energy. Energy companies should just allow these systems, even provide them if its a problem or worry to them. You can buy this stuff off amazon for a few hundred quid.
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Mexico City is having water issues.
I remember being there in 2013 and the rivers and streams were all dried up. They were quite worried about farming.
What do you mean no one has an aircon in the UK? I have. Plenty of my friends have them as well.
I have a small unit too, but we’re the rare ones. “Nobody” means “majority” here or do I really have to be literal wth everyone on the internet???
I have a small unit too
Haha!
Its how you use it. 😉
Also, and it’s kinda insane to me that not more people do this: just grow any plant on the sides of your house. If you are worried about your walls build a cheap metal fence a few centimetres before that wall. It’s the cheapest insulation you can get.
Wild wine, ivy, anything that will climb and live more than a year would work.
Haha and Italy just banned agrovoltaics!
Isn’t the opposite? Only agrovoltaic (panels at least 2 meters over crops) is allowed
Perfect place for it too. All those grapes will be sour.
it’s the same in vietnam, where it reaches 40c. many do not use ac
Yes, I can finally die, hopefully the afterlife is a thing that… exists
I read this headline and think, “this will happen and still nothing will be done.”
We’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of options.
