hot take?
Edit: got nothing against Ubuntu, it’s Linux after all and that’s what matters 🌻 Edit2: people took this very seriously for being a shower thought…
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Fuckin love ubuntu despite knowing it’s a cold take. How about that dogshit?
Im of the opinion that the distro is far less important than the Desktop Environment. Ubuntu only really “feels like Ubuntu” because of GNOME.
Definitely, I don’t really like Ubuntu that much even though it’s my go-to. What I like is Xfce. Whether I get it via xubuntu or something else I don’t really care.
Snap tho
Most of what differentiates a distro from another is one of:
- package manager
- default packages/configurations (including the desktop environment)
- init system
The rest well… it’s Linux.
I’d argue it’s just the first two. Systemd gets a lot of hate but many don’t notice the difference between distros with or without it
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Ha same here. I’d try something else but I really just cba to start again on my server and desktop.
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Oh snap
The snap infrastructure is indeed what some object to the most.
That’s why I finally switched away from it. Currently doing a stint with Fedora 40 on my laptop; it’s pretty slick.
Ubuntu is great. It works.
Barely. :)
It also runs like a snail
Hard disagree. I dual boot both Windows 11 and Ubuntu on my main laptop and Ubuntu is usually way faster feeling, except sometimes on shutdown due to some snap or cups bug. Almost everything opens in a second or less, and I get better battery life on Ubuntu as well. My bigger problem is that it struggles with WiFi under crowded conditions.
If you want something faster than a snail, Spirallinux has you covered:
https://spirallinux.github.io/If it ain’t fluxbox, I don’t want it
10% of the time, sure.
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Arch Linux user here to say… Ubuntu’s fine, man. Love all the derivatives that can take advantage of the core Ubuntu system (e.g., Mint, which I’ve installed for family members).
I love Arch. I use it all the time. I will not inflict it on any family members.
And for those of us that love Arch but don’t have time for it, EndeavourOS.
I had a much better experience with Manjaro over EndeavourOS because it supported more of my hardware, but to be fair I’m using an Asus gaming laptop. When I build my next desktop, I’m gonna try a straight Arch install.
ArcoLinux FTW
Don’t have the socks for it*
Eh, I’m at the stage where I’m done with windows and have no desire for osx, but I also don’t have an entire evening or weekend to be locked into my computer like I used to. At a certain point, I need my computer to just work most of the time so I can finish my actual work and then spend time with my family.
Arch users are like the car guys who spend all day tuning the engine and adjust the seats on namometer scale. I myself drive an ancient volvo that looks like shit but works great no matter the abuse I put it through. And I use LMDS for the same reason - it does what I need it to do, with no need for manually adjusting compression ratios.
Anyone using Ubuntu is one person less using windows. I call that a win. Everyone has to start somewhere!
Ubuntu was my training wheels 15 years ago
i still use it, from all these years.
thinking of hopping soon tho
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Windows is so dominant in the market that not using it is still named after them.
I started on Debian potato and used pretty much every distribution at sone point, often three at a time. I’ve used Ubuntu for the last five years because it’s easy, stable and upto date. I know people get very minmax about their choice of os and I love that but yeah we need to remember when we say it’s ‘fine’ or ‘good enough’ that yeah it’s not race tuned or weaponised or whatever special builds people are making but ita still much much better than windows.
It’s Debian based so gets a pass, so long as it’s headless.
What’s wrong with Debian?
Nothing, it’s just a touch harder to use? I mean I use it on a old netbook and it works just fine. Did a net install and then loaded LightDM + MATE… Oh … Yeah, there ya go, not quite as easy as Ubuntu. Still amazing for servers.
bingo, I enjoy the stabilty and simplicity for my servers but I wouldn’t run vanilla debian for a desktop.
ironically I tend to use Linux Mint for desktop which I guess is a grandchild then, since it’s based on Ubuntu :).oops, I use LMDE, not Mint… forgot that I switched a while back since it’s directly debian based.How do you like it? I wish they had a MATE version 😢
does the job I suppose. I don’t use desktop enough to have any useful thoughts about it. I like that it’s a decent gui over what I’m used to.
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absolutely nothing, it’s my preferred distro (and I have the grey beard to match). what I mean is that despite not using Ubuntu (or honestly even liking it that much), I give it a pass since it’s the offspring of my preffered flavor.
Ubuntu was my first Linux desktop distro and I’ve been using it for 4ish years. I really liked it but I no longer feel like I can trust canonical after the whole ‘secretly install Firefox snap when installed with apt cli’ thing. It wouldn’t have even been a big deal if they just said it was only available as a snap but the execution pissed me off to the point of switching
Ubuntu is great, until you find a better distribution
Once I learned about Linux Mint, I saw no reason to ever use Ubuntu. It has pretty much all the Ubuntu benefits, without canonical controversy, in an even more “just give me a fully featured desktop OS” package.
And like others have posted, I’m not shitting on Ubuntu or its use. If you like it, no need to mess with what works. It’s still Linux. It’s all good. I just never was a user of it, so I jumped straight to Mint for my last install.
not even a hot take. the only people who seem to hate ubuntu are the hardcore linux nerds who like custom building kernels and shit- which, honestly, more power to them, but i have the big dumb and want click button make work.
Admittedly I don’t really like how they’re handling packages these days, it’s a bit messy with the whole snap vs flatpak vs apt thing, but whatever.
I currently run ubuntu alongside my windows install just because I needed linux to experiment with AI models, and the only AMD drivers that work for ROCm support are Ubuntu only (packages are permanently dependency-broken on other distros).
You could use Linux Mint and there wouldn’t be any snaps plus the system will run better
Use whatever works for you. Don’t take selection advice from people that make their operating system of choice a crusade and identity.
The neck beards that judge someone’s distro choice without knowing their use cases don’t represent the Linux community. Just use the best tool for the job
I’m not convinced Ubuntu is a good tool for many jobs.
At this point it’s the third best server OS in the Linux space and a below average desktop experience.
I use Ubuntu on most of my servers and dual boot my gaming rig with Ubuntu Desktop mainly to host LLMs. I’ve been a Linux user for 25 years, I remember playing around with Red Hat pre 2000. Right now though, I want a solid distro that supports lots of hardware (my network consists of x86, ARM, Oracle Cloud, SBCs, etc), has a large community for support, and isn’t likely to get abandoned. Ubuntu solves that
To be fair, most tools are pretty bad at all other jobs besides the one it was made for. Same goes for an OS. If Ubuntu is made to off ramp people more comfortable with Windows, then that’s just a fine purpose for aln OS.
It certainly doesn’t help new users. At least not compared to Linux Mint and others.
the problem with ubuntu is canonical, it’s a shame it’s got the reputation as “the third OS” when it’s basically the only distro that’s trying to replicate the walled gardens of microsoft and apple.
It’s one rich dudes toy is how I see it. It’s a good distro but once I tried to uninstall some things and it wouldn’t let me and so that was the end of it for me at home. I use the server version at work for one machine.
I wouldn’t describe Microsoft as a walled garden (and Canonical even less). But maybe that term comes with degrees, and different perspectives of what’s tolerable.
Windows is less of a “walled garden”, and more like a shared garden where the other gardener is really inconsiderate and will mess up your part of the garden whenever it doesn’t align with their vision.
Yeah, well said.
I remember back in the day when Slackware was both the elitist and the loser’s Linux distro at the same time.
Back in my day we used to fax pictures of floppies.
Absolutely loving the replies to this.
This is how the extended Linux community wins for me.
Sure we talk shit for fun. The Arch BTW stuff, the Gentoo shade and Slackware side-eye. But its all in jest, ultimately.
Well done.
Thanks, have a nice day 🌻
it’s Linux after all and that’s what matters
I agree it’s a good OS to use, and it is Linux, but there are layers and layers of what’s good for the user and the community.
I think there will always be layers of “this could be done better,” and "that’s in someone’s selfish interest rather than for the best of the users and community. Or at least layers of being better for some people and worse for others. Ubuntu has some of those layers - though I’m always grateful for the good they’ve done the community - and other distros surely have some too.
