There’s the trend of restaurants having “mocktails”, which is cool, but they often charge for them based on their price for alcoholic beverages. I don’t really want a special lemonade for $14.
be me: go to restaurant => ouch ouch why is everything overpriced =< lol kek its 1 am and im drunk rn but the alcohol in coctails is not worth nearly 14 bucks you bellend
It’s about money. People are okay paying way higher margins for alcoholic drinks. They want you drinking alcohol for profits and the inebriating effect makes you more likely to spend loosely.
soft drinks have huge profit margins and take no server time to prepare
And so your options are alcohol, soft drinks (coke or pepsi branded exclusively), or water
You forgot tea
So did the restaurant.
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You think restaurants take worker’s labor into consideration when making profitability choices? Look what servers are paid, they clearly don’t value their labor.
EDIT: I was being dramatic to prove a point. Restaurants run skeleton crews all the time to push profitability. Obviously they give it some consideration, but it’s rarely for the workers well being.
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They take labour into consideration because less time spent serving a drink = you can serve more drinks = we can replace two of you with one.
Who fucking drinks milk when they go to a restaurant - are you 5?
milk is good
For making yorgurt and cheese
A McPoyle
Restaurants menus lacking milk as a drinking option is definitely a positive for me - I do not wish to dine alongside whatever freak chooses to drink milk with their meal.
😟 it’s only a drink.
Cow boob juice is for baby cows. Human boob juice is for baby humans. Adults of any species should have developed past ingesting boob juice in childhood.
I don’t think I’d really like giving up my present diet for the one that my hunter-gatherer ancestors were required by circumstance to eat.
We get it you’re vegan.
Also most people are actually lactose-intolerant, the capability to retain production of lactase into adulthood is a mutation won through a lot of hardship and diarrhoea.
Side note Italy being blue explains why they have strange rules such as “no cappuccino after noon”, it’s not that it’s bad or anything it’s that many Italians can only stomach one, maybe two a day.
And yet, the Mongols conquered Eurasia on it.
Yes, and milk was the singular reason they were able to. Turns out those Got Milk commercials had it right all along
I like this interpretation of history. I guess that means the Wright brothers were drinking Red Bull?
More seriously, they drank milk because they were pastoralists with a lot of it, and because it’s something you can consume. Hell, they were even lactose intolerant; if you happen to be European or West African all the better. Not sure where this “it’s for kids” idea comes from, maybe it’s some kind of American cultural thing. (If you want to be really bio-deterministic, it’s for babies, older children are in the same group as adults)
A glass of milk or sometimes a chai with milk will literally be my breakfast some days.
Milk rules.
Come on dude. Don’t tell me you’ve never drunk milk as an adult. Be honest lmfao
I stopped drinking milk when I left home and moved to college… 30+ years ago.
I mean I’ve known that I’m lactose intolerant since I was 13 or something and I had to be be bribed to drink it before that so, yeah, it wasn’t hard to stay away from drinking straight milk into adulthood.
Learning this little factoid also helped immensely: Because of the mastitis epidemic in the U.S. dairy herd, the dairy industry continues to demand that American milk retain the highest allowable “somatic cell” concentration in the world. via: nutritionfacts.org, how much pus is there in milk?
also. drank. 🙂
I’ve never drank milk as an adult, and I honestly don’t know if I can think of anyone I’ve ever known that has ordered milk alone (not in coffee or something) as an adult and drank it. I’m not white though, so idk. But a lot of my friends and coworkers are, and I’ve never seen it.
Unless it’s in baking or coffee/drinks or cereal it’s pretty fucking weird to drink it
Maybe acceptable with certain desserts tbh. But not with an actual meal
Why judge people over their choice of beverage?
Why can’t we all drink (or eat or be…) whatever we please without derogatory comments being made? What kind of a low is that?
Seriously.
Are you new to the internet?
I’m gonna recognize that what I said came across way way more harsh than was intended, this was meant to be playful, as are my responses below - I seem to be learning that my tone and how I speak do not always translate well to being written - for this, I apologize. I do need to work on monitoring my snark levels.
I’d like to state - that you are more than welcome to drink or do what you want. I was attempting to razz op - not berate op… even though milk is straight up disgusting and I gag when people drink it by itself and I cannot understand why anyone would make that choice - it is their choice.
This is a me problem - not a them problem.
Have fun enjoying your gross animal juice everyone. I’ll just sit over here with my water.
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Criticizing alcohol consumption = you sleep
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Criticizing milk consumption = real shit
Also, let people dislike things. If Criticism diminishes your own enjoyment of a thing then you don’t actually like that thing
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The oldest kind of low. It’s sad, but you spot a bunch of humans, you can be sure that they are already judging you.
Me? I can’t understand why this is such a weird thing to you people.
I’m just saying if I see anyone not eating from the kids menu drinking milk with a meal I’m going to judge you. I’m judging all of Finland.
Cause milk is calorie rich, it would be too much with a meal. Or more likely because I never ever thought of the possibility.
Because I’ve literally only known a single adult to opt into drinking milk and it was my 90 year old grandfather. Always thought it was super strange to like milk so much.
I once had to live with a guy that would go through 2-4 gallons in a week on his own and just let the empty jugs build up in (around) the recycle bin for weeks on end. Grew up on a dairy farm. Honestly I shouldn’t have to say more to tell you he was a freak.
Haha wow, yeah that’s pretty weird. I can’t stand the taste of milk, but I feel like even if I could, like anything else, it would get sort of sickening in such large quantities
Me? I can’t understand why this is such a weird thing to you people.
And yet you made this post which does the same thing re: alcohol consumption
Wine pairings with meals are a thing for a reason. Milk pairings, not so much
Might also depend on where you are. I understand that in Finland, it’s extremely common to drink milk all the time, whereas in East Asia, where adult lactose intolerance is the norm, adult milk consumption isn’t really a thing at all.
googles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_milk_consumption_per_capita
Yeah, Finland’s #1.
Who fucking drinks milk when they go to a restaurant
Autism is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be … unnatural
I’ll give you this one.
you’ve never had 3am Waffle House chocolate milk?
That’s chocolate milk which is amazing at any time, the post implies plain white milk
I’m with them, it’s one of the things I just used to drink at home, especially to get the choc to milk ratio right
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why would you not? milk taste good mmmm
especially if i’m at a less fancy restaurant and i’m ordering a dish with mashed potatoes and gravy, milk is 100% the appropriate beverage.
My homie, if you have never had the glory that is milk with a cheeseburger, you’re missing out.
Spaghetti? Bomb.
Burritos? Bomb
I can keep going, and even explain how and why various foods can be paired with milk and not only be as good as any other beverage, but can sometimes be better. It isn’t every food, but it works often enough to be worth trying.
In a similar train of thought, have you tried having (good) orange juice with Mexican food? I used to love having it once in a while when we brought home Rosa’s. Never did at a restaurant. Not a complete heathen. 😁
How does it feel to be so confident yet so so wrong?
How does it feel to be a jackass?
tone hard to convey online. sometimes sly sarcasm comes across as uber douche - apologies. Im glad you like milk - I think it’s disgusting by itself.
In my experience, it’s usually the same length or alcoholic ones get almost a page long. Though I did go to one where the non-alcoholic options consisted solely of sodas, shame.
Alcohol gives me the shits. Milk gives me the shits. I’d rather just have water.
Water? Fish shit in it.
You also have shit inside you.
Huh. When you swim in the sea, you’re a shit-covered shit sack.
That’s enough thinking for today.
speak for yourself, fluid only diet
food goes in, food goes out right away
And fuck.
So do I
To be fair, how many baby cows are even coming to these restaurants??
Sir, this is a steak house. We have hundreds of baby cows come here every year.
Should be more than baby grapes!
Not sure about other countries, but the Russian branch of Burger King had some uniquely bad sense of humor when it came to their ads. The most known as was a wordplay between “Don’t get too spicy” and “Don’t shit yourself”, but there was another ad of chicken nuggets with a little chick in the corner saying something like “6 nuggets for 99 rubles!”. I found it hilarious to see a chick advertising their mom.
Some this has to do with shelf life. Beverages containing alcohol have a long shelf life. A restaurant is not going to take losses on having 50 kinds of juice or whatever on hand. Another angle to this is that a lot of the drinks on the alcoholic menu are cocktails, so just combinations of other shit they have. Finally, what adult is just drinking milk? Have some water, it is good for you.
I just like having milk with every meal. I don’t like water and having dinner with a fizzy drink is just wrong.
Not judging you on your milk drinking, but drinking too much milk can have serious side effects. Humans weren’t biologically made to drink milk their whole lives.
They weren’t biologically made to drink alcohol or eat big macs their whole lives either yet here you are.
Yeah, this is a hella weird comment in an alcohol thread. That stuff is actually toxic, and popular mainly because of it.
What’s with Lemmy’s obsession with water? Most people know that water is the best thing to drink but this site is preachy as fuck about it.
I haven’t actually seen that.
The hydrohomies are all grown up, I guess?
Everyone knows alcohol is poison. Not many people know the side effects of drinking too much milk. You could actually become addicted to it and it would become a problem. I had a friend who had some trouble with it, which is why I typed that comment.
You’re getting downvoted but you’re actually correct. My grandfather was told by his doctor not to drink so much milk. He drank at least 3 glasses a day. I forget why but if you’re telling an 85 yo to stop doing something as a doctor, it probably has some bad short-term effects
Source? Addictive milk is kind of “out of left field” for me.
I don’t know how true this is, but I pulled this quote:
Indeed, the results suggest that milk is more addictive than cigarettes.
Very true, yet lactose intolerance is quite common among humans.
having dinner with a fizzy drink is just wrong.
Its not mandatory, but I’ll have you know this is incorrect.
Respectfully, what the fuck?!
What do you mean you dont like water? You mean that liquid that makes you die if you dont have any for a couple days?
Milk is absolutely disgusting during a meal since it gets so warm and gross.
Milk is absolutely delightful with greasy foods. When are you supposed to drink it if not with meals?
Milk is disgusting with all foods, or by itself
Your taste buds are defective buddy
Nope. I don’t eat chalk either
I hate milk. I use oat milk with my coffee and that is it
No it doesn’t. Milk can stay cold for ages. Like I would have any meal gone within 10 minutes.
Consuming a meal in less than ten minutes is really not indicative of healthy eating habits.
Uh why? I eat most of my meals in about that amount of time when I eat by myself. like how long does it take to eat a fuckin sandwich lmao, or a bowl of pasta? And I don’t have any eating disorders, I’m not at an unhealthy weight. I just … eat.
Just because it’s essential for life doesn’t mean that people have to like it. I really don’t like drinking water unless it’s just out of the fridge or cooler. I always add cordial to it.
I used to think like this in high school until I joined football and learned how much I loved water during practice, now I carry a water bottle everywhere for a swig whenever I get a slight thirst
I do drink frequently when I go cycling or walking.
Milk is absolutely disgusting during a meal since it gets so warm and gross
Historically, milk was generally consumed warm. Breasts aren’t kegerators.
Historically it was only consumed by babies too.
Evidence suggests those that can tolerate lactose as adults are descended from farmers who drank milk to survive during seasons of bad yields.
Milk is full of great vitamins and minerals. I haven’t verified this claim but I heard someone say recently a person can entirely meet their entire nutritional needs on purely milk and potatoes, which doesn’t sound super pleasant to have as a diet, it’s certainly an easy baseline to meet
Sounds plausible. The main thing peds worry about for toddlers primarily subsisting off milk is iron deficiency. Potatoes have iron and vitamin c.
The milk is for parents.
With having IBD I’m pretty much limited to water or milk. I’m absolutely going to drink milk when I can because I get fed up drinking water multiple times a day every fucking day.
My wife has colitis and dairy fucks her up 😮
Can you drink tea?
Hydrohomies tho
I guess, I primarily drink water. I’m not restricted in the same way, but I’m an innate fat fuck, so water is my drink of choice. I’m surprised milk wouldn’t inflame IBD.
The concept of being fed up with water is so alien to me. Water doesn’t have some powerful, delicious flavor but the sensation of drinking water is almost always one of satisfying refreshment.
How can you be irritated by water? “Damn it, this is only exactly what my body needs!”
Idk, I like other beverages as well, but I’ve only ever been disappointed by water when it has contaminants I can taste.
Sounds more like you dislike bad water. I think well filtered water at this point is table stakes.
Especially if you live in the US where you either have a leaf service line or more PFAS than you’d believe
Some people crave or have to have some kind of flavor with their liquids or they don’t want it. I have known multiple people who thought water tasted gross, which is somewhat legit because I had to get used to the different water taste when I went to school on the opposite side of town, but they just thought any kind of water was gross. They’d always have a soda or coffee or something.
My issue isn’t flavor necessarily, its carbonation. But plain/unsweetened soda water is gross and soda streams aren’t worth it to make my own infused water.
Seems like a huge failure in their nutrition education.
Drink water for your hydration, everything else is a treat and not hydration.
This thread clears up to me why so many people have digestive issues and/or obesity.
Is this coming from experience or are you just kind of guessing? There are plenty of cocktails that use non-shelf stable stuff that you can get anywhere. On top of that, the new movement towards providing non-alcoholic drinks on the menu just reuses these same ingredients in different ways.
I’ve worked on both sides of the house for 14 years and I’m in management now. The issue is once you open products, not when they’re sitting there. Sitting there is also an issue, however, as stock that doesn’t move still incurs costs. I work on the institutional side now and we only provide nonalcoholic beverages, but they are either single serve or cheap bulk prep. These are not what people are expecting at a restaurant. Many items in cocktails also have long shelf lives after opening or are cheap/move quickly.
Many items in cocktails also have long shelf lives after opening or are cheap/move quickly.
This is why I think we see variations on actual cocktails so much…you have it, it’s open, so move it.
Exactly. It’s like having a breakfast only restaurant. You can make a menu of 50 entrees by combining 8 main ingredients with various cooking methods and spices.
that’s Taco Bell and they’ve been doing it for a long time
Lots of diners, too. That’s why they tend to be the restaurants that are around for 67 years, lol.
Milk? Is this one of the McPoyles???
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Gotta keep the bloodline pure
and the options are sugar, sugar, sugar, sugar, or water
Don’t forget fake sugar. And most of that “sugar” is actually corn we tricked into tasting like sugar.
I honestly hope you are making some attempt at a joke, and I’m just failing to get it…
I think it’s a high fructose corn syrup joke, but that’s more like squeezing all the sugar out of a cob of corn and pretending it’s juice concentrate in my mind.
I mean, I just annoyed that milk isn’t even an option in a lot of restaurants. It’s something so basic, like.
I’ve been in plenty where you could just order milk. 🤷
Though usually those are chain restaurants that prioritize breakfast, might be why.
To order for a kid? Or the sloppy steak?
OMG - i had forgotten the sloppy steak!
Are you a cat?
Yes.
Despite what Lucille Bluth believes, vodka doesn’t bad in a few days after opening bottle. Milk goes bad quickly.
They usually have the milk on hand for cooking, or just the kids menu. If my family of 4 can easily go through 2 gallons a week, I can’t imagine a resteraunt having problems using up milk before it goes bad unless they over-purchase
Sorry, the milk is for the kids’ menu. You can’t order from that.
Check the menu for items that require milk as an ingredient. You might be able to order a glass even if it isn’t on the menu.
Like milksteak?
Like anything with a bechamel-based sauce or gravy, or custard/pudding/flan, or pancakes, etc.
Unless you are at an extremely expensive or extremely small restaurant, their sauces come premade in a bag from Cisco.
If the restaurant has a kids menu, it also has milk.
I like how the small fraction of adults that drink milk are downvoting you for actually giving helpful advice. Lol
actually milk is slightly acidic
jk
What’s wrong with water? I usually just get water and ask for lemon slices to squeeze into it. Which is a game changer and they always have on hand because of the alcoholic drinks lmao
^ This. Diet Coke/Pepsi if you’re LUCKY. Otherwise, water.
Do you people’s restaurants not serve iced tea?
The trick is “Unsweetened Ice Tea”, which not everyone has. :(
In some states iced tea would also be full of sugar. And “hot tea” is a dry teabag next to a cup of warmish water.
I have been all over the continental United States of America, except California, Washington, Arizona, Nevada, and that other state up there between California and Washington that I always think is Vermont, driving a truck and have literally never been to a place that had sweet tea but not unsweet.
I’ve seen a few the other way around, but that was in New England, about as far from sweet tea culture as you can get.
Maybe a gas station or a fast food joint that use the syrups instead of brewed, but you don’t want to drink that shit
I live in GA, where if you order tea it will be defaulted to sweet tea. However, I have never seen a place that doesn’t have unsweet - you just have to order it that way.
As an iced tea enjoyer, who has been to almost 40 states that is absolutely untrue. I’ve never been to any restaurant that serves sweet tea but does not serve unsweetened as well. Some places especially in the north don’t consistently have either, but in my experience, if they have one they always have the other
Nope. Plenty of places in the midwest only carry unsweet and “flavored”, not regular sweet tea. The flavor is usually extra sweet fruit flavored syrup like raspberry or peach.
Okay fair enough, I haven’t been to many Midwestern states, especially rural areas of those states. I was more referring to places carrying only sweet tea and not unsweet
Here in Canada it is mostly just sweet tea
To be fair, the alcoholic menu us typically like this too. 95% of the menu is beer, wine, or vodka and some kind of syrup.
Even if it’s not on the menu, it’s not like you can’t get X neat or on the rocks.
This annoys me so badly.
I don’t drink carbonated beverages, so when I go into a place and don’t want beer then my options are basically coffee or water.
Fine in the mornings, but I don’t want a coffee at 5PM. So I guess it’s just water then huh
i’m a hydrohomie, i would be/am more than fine with that.
And diet sugar
’ll have a number 6 with extra dip. Big Smoke: I’ll have two number 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large soda. Make that diet, I’m trying to watch my weight.
Afaik, the only other options besides what you listed for beverages anywhere is milk, coffee and tea. And depending where you get them, the coffee and tea may as well just be sugar (or aspartame) too.
Mocktails, a whole new world
Well, coming from a tropical country to the US was a disappointment there. I used to be able to get a variety of freshly squeezed juices almost anywhere, and the only thing they serve around here are bottled OJ’s that barely taste like orange. It’s not even like there’s a limited variety at the grocery store, it’s just not a thing…
Most juice has a lot of sugar. The ones that don’t don’t generally taste that good.
But bottle OJ tasting like shit is a real thing, they have to do so much to it to get it to last for more than a week on the shelf that all the flavor is sucked out of it.
idk, I make them at home with no sugar and it’s pretty good. But I guess expecting the sweet stuff plays a factor on your perception.
Yeah no added sugar. The juice generally contains enough sugar on it’s own. Fruit juice is about as nutritious as a soda. You’re taking the sweet part of the fruit and leaving behind the fiber and other nutrients.
Fruit juice is about as nutritious as a soda
Not even close. Different kinds of sugar, preservatives, and vitamins all have vastly different ratios.
Sugar is sugar, HFCS found in sodas and juice with added sugars is more concentrated, but your body still sees it and treats it as sugar.
Which it also just happens to see as something to hoard because for our entire evolutionary timeline sugar was a rare resource to be had. It wasn’t until the industrial revolution that we began being able to have sugar whenever and however we wanted. Which on the timeline of evolution is nothing but a blimp, a speck of sand.
Different kinds of sugar are all sugar when they get to your gut. Anything beyond “the body treats this like sugar” is just a pissing contest.
When you juice something, you’re leaving 95% of the nutrients in the fruit, extracting the sugar water, and telling yourself you’re drinking healthy. That’s just not the case. The meat of the fruit is where that stuff is at. The fact that some of it makes it in to the juice is incidental. It would be better to drink a glass of water and eat the orange, than to juice the orange. Unless you then throw the juice away and just eat what’s left of the orange. That’s probably the best thing.
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different kinds of sugar
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Sugar is sugar.
It really doesn’t matter if it’s naturally occurring or added after the fact. It’s sugar.
Debating what kinds of sugar are better for you is kind of like debating which landmine is better to step on.
Don’t get me wrong, the occasional sugary beverage is fine. But juice is never going to be good for you. Even arguably.
You’re trading HFCS for plain old sugar. Most fruits are approximately 50/50 fructose and glucose, while HFCS is between 42% and 55% fructose, with the balance being glucose.
Chemically and biologically, they are basically the same.
Juice is still pretty sugary, even fresh squeezed. They naturally have sugars in them which is why they are sweet. While a lot of premade juice also includes added sugars. There was a study posted somewhere on Lemmy not too long ago that showed most American’s sugar intake came from fruit juices and not sodas as previously thought.
What’s a milk drinker like you doing out here? Go home to your mother.
https://www.licor43.com/cocktails/blanco-43/
It’s great. Order it virgin for just milk.
Yea, you heard. Order it, virgin!
I usually order mine extra fucked tbf.
This is not a very common cocktail at least in my area, so I’m sure most servers/ bartenders would have to google this. I can imagine the look on their face when they realized you actually ordered a glass of milk.
Sorry, my mom’s busy banging YO MAMMA!
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Wait
Adults: Look at these tiktok kids eating tide pods!
Also adults: Waiter please pour me a glass of your finest toxin!
Ah, but it’s a very old pool of toxin, cooked over rotten plant matter from a swamp and aged in an obsolete form of container, and it made them significantly poorer to order it! /s
The worst is when mocktails cost as much as cocktails. Like a non alcoholic whiskey sour will be $13, Shirley Temples are like $10
At least from my experience in NYC
In some cases mocktails have ingredients that are more complex and harder to make.
What if I told you that you aren’t paying for the drinks but you’re renting the table/bar stool
jokes on them, i’m just going to get water or fucking leave, i’m not paying 10 bucks for a beverage when you can buy soda at the store for 1$ per liter.
I’ve never order a mixed drink in my life. Got some flasks in college and will still take that and have a soda instead. With beers being $7 minimum I’m also starting to just slam a >9% IPA before going in and having water.
You wouldn’t be at the bar in the first place and if you were they’d want you to leave.
For real, a shot of vodka doesn’t justify $13 for a drink, it’s the rent that does that
Margarita with tequila? $12. Margarita without tequila? $12.
Even worse now is the non-alcoholic spirits you can buy that legit cost as much as the original alcoholic version, and then they use that in a cocktail.
Yes it Does taste just like the proper cocktail but your kinda missing half the point of the drink…
Lol, this is especially the case when it’s my turn to be the designated driver in the group 🤣
At least I’ll stay hydrated! Hydrohomies for life!
I myself was a water bro first, only recently a hydrohomie.
And the alcohol lists never have prices which is a clear indication that they know they are asking too much money.
I stopped drinking about five years ago, and I often can find a mocktail or two that I like on most menus
