This is the kind of shit that gets actually useful leftist ideals thrown in the trash by normies
“Oh THOSE people? Yeah they’re all crazy China-Stan’s, who the fuck knows why”
Bro 2% of your paycheck is not more than you pay now in premiums I’m begging you for universal healthcare
“Why so I can’t *chose* my own doctor? So I can wait in line like in CANADA?”
Ugh it’s fucking infuriating
Unless it’s life threatening, we all wait in line at the ER. It takes me 4 months to get an appointment with my PCP, and any specialists tests take weeks to get (again, unless it’s a need-it-right-now thing like a chest X-ray for pneumonia). You wait your turn at any walk-in clinic.
Dunno why anyone thinks we have it special in the US.
Oh, wait…if you’re wealthy you can get seen immediately. Guess everyone’s wealthy in the US.
Didn’t you make a similar post a while back? Why are you still hanging around those communities?
Either way, it’s pretty useful to communicate this to everyone else.
I just saw this one on the modlog, it’s not about me.
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It depends how you’re using the term ‘genocide’.
While the CCP might not necessarily be intentionally mass-killing ethnic minorities in the Xinjiang region, there is very strong evidence that they are doing their utmost to stamp out Uyghur culture and forcibly assimilate them. In the process, people are being incarcerated, tortured, and raped, amongst other things.
It could be argued that this is a crime under international law, where the definition of genocide includes
intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group".
Or you could argue it is ethnic cleansing instead. Either way, it’s a lot more serious than just overzealous “counter-terrorism” measures.
I think the term ethnic cleansing is underused. It’s a strong term with a clear, unambiguous meaning that people can still stand against. It does not run afoul of the fact that when many people hear “genocide”, they don’t think of formal definitions, they think of WW2, trains and gas chambers, and attempts at thorough extermination at a large scale.
Ethnic cleansing, on the other hand, begs simple questions, like, what is the ethnicity being cleansed from? Simple answer: their land. How are they being cleansed? Killed, driven away or assimilated into another culture. What, exactly, is being cleansed? That group of distinct people right there, their name is whatever.
It’s clear, concise, and very hard to argue with from any sort of semantic position.
They would rather cling to the comforting lies of US propaganda
China is committing genocide is comforting?
That doesn’t mean they are wrong. Deleting something that doesn’t align with your tankie agenda is not ok. That is what they are complaining about.
Have you read the report?
I haven’t read it all, but from reading like a couple paragraphs it says that the Chinese government is making mass incarcerations with accusations of extremism and terrorism, while these terms are not well defined and it appears that they are only targeting Muslims for their religion. Furthermore in these jails it appears that the Chinese government is doing things like forced injections, forcing people to take pills and other classics like torture, waterboarding and rape, invasive gynecological exams etc.
Inmates are forbidden to pray with guards making rounds at night to ensure compliance, being forbidden to speak their own language or practice anything from their culture. Prominent scholars, artists and intellectuals are being incarcerated, people are forbidden to leave the region or to receive or send money from the outside.
If it were Israel doing this, and they are doing this, you’d call it genocide, wouldn’t you?
Or doesn’t Uyghurstan have the same right to exist as Palestine?
People are being sterilized en mass.
Which community?
Knew it before you even said it
Lemmy.ml bans anyone and anything that has to do with even slightly anti-Russia or anti China sentiments.
Posted a comment the other day that China was still supporting Russia who were killing innocent people and got banned, then one of the admins responded, and then my comment was removed.
Seems like a super good area to have open and honest discussions and debates.
Its great, if you are a communist
Only if you’re a very narrow definition of a very specific kind of communist. You’ll still be ostracized if you choose the wrong one.
Only if you support China blindly.
I’m a socialist and I have many issues with the take that China does no wrong.
I am just sick and tired of people trying to force there beliefs on others. It feels like every other post there are people complaining about the free market. I genuinely could care less.
I think they are authoritarians over any other ideology they claim to hold. The second most important aspect of their beliefs also does not relate to socialism/communism, which is that a government be “anti-west.” That is why they have “uncritical support” for Putin, who isn’t even remotely leftist, let alone communist. It’s all bullshit.
Man that’s the weirdest thing too… like in what world is Russia remotely communist? They’re not even socialist they’re just a good old-fashioned fascist dictatorship.
They used to be though
When? Under Stalin?
It has nothing to with communism. Totalitarianism is more approriate. They do not allow any opinion except for the approved ones. They do not allow free discussions. They do not alllow critisism toward China or Russia.
That is not what communism is about, but that is what communism often manifests into when human greed and power hunger come into play though.
Communism is only possible though authoritarian governments. And even with that it collapses as basic things like farm maintenance fails to happen.
I feel like the communists on Lemmy go out of there way to reject any facts or beliefs that are remotely against communism. That is why they remove anything anti China or Russia. They see China as this Utopia and refuse to see anything else.
Funny that they have this as a rule:
4- No Zionism or Hasbara apologia of any kind. We stand with Palestine 🇵🇸 . Zionists will be banned on sight.
and then can’t see the irony of banning china criticism.
Abd then they practically endorse antisemitic views
There’s a wall of text apologizing and denying the China’s genocides in a reply. That one didn’t wake the mod up.
At least it’s a more or less comprehensive list. Made me notice that I forgot about one, and there are at least 3 major ones ongoing.
Time to move on.
I call for a mass defederation with Lemmy.ml and any other political extreme instances.
Which instance, is a better question. The answer is always lemmy.ml
And that’s only because everyone has already defederated from lemmygrad and hexbear.
They’re like the Jehova Witnesses of Lemmy. But instead of god, they come to preach about the almighty CCP.
The real difference that no one is touching on is that the US funds one of these genocides. That’s what the protests are about.
Because there is no genocide occurring in China. That’s US propaganda bullshit
Found the CCP bootlicker. Sad!
I was literally just on that thread. Blue trash cans all over the place
A blue trashcan is a removed comment?
Yep. At least in the app I use.
Just curious, which app do you use?
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Sounds like you were engaging in whataboutism and that was the problem
That wasn’t my comment, I was just reading the log
Pointing on hypocrisy often called whataboutism, but it is still valid consideration.
I was recently banned from !worldnews@lemmy.ml for a similar reason. Apparently, not liking TikTok is somehow equal to Xenophobia.
The only kinda reasonable comment removal was this one:
Obligatory “there is no war in Ba Sing Se”
Context?
Ba Sing Se is the capital of a kingdom in Avatar: The Last Airbender where information was being suppressed to put it simply. It’s a good watch.
Dammit, I came here to make that comment!
You, and 129 of us. (So far…)
Thanks for letting me know. Just blocked lemmy.ml from my feed.
Is there a source for a genocide in China that doesn’t trace back to the apocalyptic christian Adrian Zen?
The comment I’m replying to is an example of why .ml needs to be defederated. Leaving it up to us to block it isn’t enough because their tankie users can still spread their shit.
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“Tankie” is a lightning rod to show you are a paranoid shill who loves Biden’s genocide.
It also feels unbalanced when it isn’t followed with a “Russian bot” comment, like it is 80% of the time.
“I know the president I fervently support did it, but its TRUMPS FAULT! HE USED THE TANKIES AND RUSSIAN BOTS TO DO IT!”
Oh look, more examples of why defederation would be a good idea.
Be honest: are you guys actually as out of touch as the MAGA dipshits or is it all one massive troll?
Are you speaking to Blue MAGA or people with critical thinking skills and morals?
Safe it for your own instance
someone should make c/ShitLemmySays and this should be the inaugural post
I would but I really don’t want to moderate it
What community/ instance is that in?
Apparently it’s this post in !comics@lemmy.ml
I’m guessing hexbear or lemmy.ml.
Please forward this topic to your instance admins as an example of why lemmy.ml needs to be defederated. Yes, they’re a big instance and, no, not every user is like this. But enough of them are that it’s a constant problem that the .ml admins have no interest in stopping because they adamantly support it.
Leaving it up to us to block .ml ourselves is insufficient as the comments on this post perfectly demonstrate. You can’t even point out their Chinese/Russian propaganda and censorship on other instances without being brigaded by .ml users.
They need to be cut off from the rest of the fediverse. The sane users and communities can migrate to better instances. Not wanting to move because it’s inconvenient is no excuse. At a certain point you have to acknowledge you’re hanging out at a nazi bar, and if you stay there when every other sane person is urging you to get out, that’s on you.
100% agree. Lemmy.ml is a cancer that will kill the Lemmyverse.
