“What’s happening in Gaza is not genocide. We reject that,” Biden said at a Jewish American Heritage Month event at the White House.
I can’t tell if he’s pandering or trying to lose the election
It’s like he wants young people and liberals to not vote for his dumb ass.
More like he wants average middle aged swing state voters to vote for him, since those are the only people that really matter and they are typically pro Israel.
Okay but seriously who’s out there, wringing their hands, trying to figure out if they’ll vote Trump or Biden? No one. If you’re voting for Trump, there is absolutely nothing Biden (or Trump for that matter) could do to change your mind. All those centrist neolibs in the swing states are going to vote for Biden regardless, because there’s no one else for them to vote for. The true “undecided voters” are undecided between showing up and just not showing up. And shit like this just pushes them closer to the not showing up position. Every time Biden panders to his already locked in centrist base, instead of trying to get progressives to show up for him, it should be considered a willful attempt to get Trump elected.
It seems like the country is totally polarised because the most extreme people shout the loudest.
People who are undecided don’t make memes or aggressive twitter posts about how undecided they are etc.
And while the GOP establishment are fully on Trumps side there is a sizeable contingent of people who are usually republicans that are put off by trumps bullshit, but still don’t really want to vote for a “lib” like Biden either. And if he “supported hamas terorrists” that very well could be more than enough to put them off.
I’ll look myself, but any chance you’ve found any research with numbers for these groups? Are there more progressives and young people deciding between show up or not show up, or more centrists deciding between Biden and Trump?
It’s more like he knows liberals and young people have to vote for him or they’ll get a fascist instead.
Kinda looks like they’re getting a fascist either way - it’s kinda hard to make the case that somebody who supports with gifts of weapons and ammo a violent genocidal fascist movement activelly murdering civilians, including tens of thousands of childrens (some of which activelly targetted by snipers and using precision bombs) and activelly targetting medical personnel and journalists, isn’t himself a genocidal fascist, no matter what else he says: after all, even Hitler had a good side (he liked dogs) but that didn’t make him any less a genocidal fascist.
True up to a point. Youth at least are very fickle and very demoralized already with the lack of opportunities to be financially screwed.
I’m fairly sure many people will just not go to the polls. I think he’s banking on a very risky and stupid idea here.
Literally the same play that cost them the election the last time with Clinton.
There are many people under the age of 25 who do not fully understand what happened on January 6. They are being inundated with news of genocide and how Biden is directly responsible. They do not fully understand what the first Trump presidency was. Only politics junkies seem to understand the threat of project 2025 and plan 47.
We have an entire generation who hate Biden and didn’t see the threat of Trump.
@GroundedGator @febra I hate to say it but this is literally Biden’s fault. He is completely undermining his own credibility with the whole Gaza situation and for no good reason
Assuming that’s correct; instead of pretending they’ll somehow magically all start understanding the “Trump threat” in the next 6 months, maybe Biden and the Dems should start actually giving them what they want. It’s not even a big ask. Just don’t do genocide. And definitely don’t do genocide and then say it’s not actual genocide. No one gives a fuck what you call it. Anyone with a conscience can see it’s wrong.
Anything short of giving young people whatever it takes to get them to show up for Biden is basically supporting Trump for president.
They’ll get a hard core fascist with Trump. With Biden they’ll get a fascist-lite. None of the offensive parts of fascism. Just the corruption and special interests dictating policy parts.
The US administration is so corrupt that it is hard to get anything useful done. Even if it is something that has been obvious for decades.
Tell me you don’t know what fascism is without telling me what fascism is.
It’s when a leader supports Genocide and smacks down any dissent with violence.
Biden is actively threatening the ICC with sanctions and people say he’s not a fascist lmao.
Tell me you don’t know what fascism is without telling me what fascism is.
They’ll find out
We’ll find out
FTFY
Thank you for fixing that for me, we were all so confused
It’s like “young people and liberals” aren’t a monolith and many of them are simply wrong as to the facts and have been tricked by foreign manipulators.
I beg to differ.
Where are the Biden boyfriends that call everyone that criticizes biden a Trump supporter? I said multiple times on lemmy that a lot of people go above and beyond to support this horrible person who repeatedly mentioned his fantasies for an israeli state and serving it since he was a kid.
Trump is worse but that doesn’t mean you can’t criticize this piece of shit.
And the worst thing is I live far away from the US and still get called Trump supporter for calling this sicko a sicko.
Trump is worse but that doesn’t mean you can’t criticize this piece of shit.
Trump says the quiet parts out loud. That’s what ultimately makes him “worse”. While Biden’s handlers give him the PC
Um, Actually its not a real genocide because it didn’t occur in the genocide region of Auschwitz,
Trump’s out there saying
Israel is killing all the terrorists and that’s good aktuly and we should be more like them.
But get down to the policies at hand and there’s no daylight between them.
So much of this election boils down to liberals being forced to face the nightmarish specter of modern American policy even from within their blue state enclaves. With Biden, they can pretend its all being done for good reasons and with a respectable veneer of Rules Based Internationalism. With Trump, they’re forced to watch a guy fuck the rest of the planet with the lights on, while his backers whoop and cheer and siege hail on national television.
But it boils down to optics. Whether we’re gearing up to bomb Iran, whether we’re buy Xinjiang textiles with one hand while wagging a finger at Beijing with the other, whether we’re giving Exxon subsidies to “research hydrogen alternatives” or just cutting them blank checks to drill baby drill, whether we’re holding kids in cages on the border under a rogue Republican governor or a fascist Republican president, its all the same fucking policies.
There’s a lot of people who think it’s a good idea to not vote in the hope that Biden will lose and that will teach the DNC a lesson.
That is a bit shortened. We demand Biden to stop supporting this genocide and start upholding international and US law in order to get a vote.
Saying you will vote for him no matter what just encourages the DNC to do whatever they want. Democrats fear the pro Israel lobby as that lobby will follow through on not giving them their votes, if they dont play their ball. If other people would realize their power by following through if the Dems refuse to listen, they could force the Dems to actually be a party of human rights and basic dignity and justice for all.
The thing is, we either get 2 more years of Biden, or 2 more years of Trump. Besides this one issue I don’t think Biden has been that bad. Trump and more broadly republicans have publicly declared their intent to move the country towards a dictatorship.
In the election 2 years from now, if Biden is the president, we will have an interesting primary to see who is the next DNC candidate. If Trump is president, I’m not sure the country will be in a state where that’s possible (not to mention that if it doesn’t get that bad, the DNC will likely put Biden on the ballot regardless of what happens this year).
The thing is, we either get 2 more years of Biden, or 2 more years of Trump.
And
Trump and more broadly republicans have publicly declared their intent to move the country towards a dictatorship.
Are incongruent.
Also, how long do you think presidential terms are? Why do you think we’re going to have another presidential election in 2 years?
You do realize that the election is this year right? Even further, if Biden wins this year, he couldn’t run for a third term if he (and the DNC) wanted.
Most importantly: if Trump wins this year, it won’t just be “2 more years of Trump.” If we listen to what Trump and the GOP has been telling us they will do (and we fucking should, read "Project 2025”), it won’t even be only 4 more years of Trump. It will mark the beginning of the Trump Family Dynasty and his name will rule the country for generations. You want Emperor Barron? I wish this was fucking hyperbole.
They’re not “moving toward a dictatorship,” this is it. This election will decide if democracy continues to exist in the US at all.
He’ll also be far far worse than Biden/Democrats regarding the one topic these people seem to suddenly give a shit about.
It’s shameful. To use the plight of the Palestinian people as a political cudgel. If these people gave a shit about this genocide, they would recognize that allowing Trump into the White House again will make it sooooooo much worse. Don’t think “it can’t get worse,” because we’re about to see it if he wins.
Understandable but some people forget that countries other than US exist. Like I can’t vote there lol. But I do understand your point. I’m just a bit irritated at lemmy users assuming everyone as an American.
that call everyone that criticizes biden a Trump supporter
Disingenuous as fuck.
Guys, can you vote for some third candidate in the US? You have two utter shits as primary candidates, what the actual fuck?
They have first-past-the-post voting. So no, unfortunately.
In “safe” states like California, where Trump will never win, we can vote third party as a protest vote without worrying that we’ll help Trump get elected.
In states with a very thin margin (“swing” states), fewer votes for Biden could very well mean Trump winning that state.
Nope, our election system doesn’t support it and actually has a spoiler effect because you end up tacitly supporting the other side by not voting for one of the two strongest parties.
Better situation than India 😩. One side we have a leftist younger leader who got character assassinated. And the other side is a dictator that follows an ideology similar to nazism. And people got so brainwashed in the last 10 hears of his rule that it won’t be shocking if India transforms into a one party rule like CCP.
Welp. I now have something else specific to point to when I have to tell someone I’d rather skin myself with a potato peeler, fry up some me bacon, and eat it than vote for this geriatric. Classic.
And somehow Trump is better. /s
He’s not, that’s the point.
“I don’t like this guy. I’ll take the worse one.”
Jesus Christ we sorely need better critical thinking education.
Is not genocide if you don’t consider them people, right? Just animal victims.
Okay, if it makes you feel better, we can call it premeditated mass-murder instead.
Sparkling ethnic cleaning
Yeah, Americans should brace for a Trump dictatorship after this statement.
And even more kowtowing and pandering.
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he’s right, though. It’s a humanitarian crisis but it’s factually incorrect to call it a genocide (and it also minimizes the actual horror of genocide).
For now.
What, specifically, do you think South Africa got wrong in its filing with the ICC laying out the case that it is a genocide? They were pretty thorough.
It’s like he can’t even do the bare minimum of keeping his mouth shut.
Him or Trump. Both of them would probably be more popular if they just shut the fuck up once in a while.
One day I want to see someone get elected based simply on the fact that they just don’t say anything. Like, Mr. Bean their way to the presidency.
That would be Calvin Coolidge, aka “Silent Cal.” Supposedly, he was once bet that he could be made to say three words, and he replied, “you lose.”
That said, he’s not an especially highly-rated president.
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Hamas is a terrorist group. Not all Palestinians are Hamas. Israel is targeting Hamas. They have done their best to minimize Palestinian civilian causalities. It’s not genocide. If they were going for genocide, this would have been over with a long time ago.
The problem is, we as the general public, have gut reactions to things we don’t understand and aren’t directly involved in. This is made worse with misinformation and poor Internet literacy.
Another problem is that many Americans’ view points are sympathetic to terrorists. But, as I’ve heard somewhere “one person’s terrorist is another’s freedom fighter.” These people believe Hamas aren’t terrorists and are wrongly being fired upon, therefore Israel is bad.
Another group, Trump supporters and the like, will twist anything Biden does negatively because it doesn’t align with their narrative.
They have done their best to minimize Palestinian civilian causalities.
Where does denying entry of food and water to the whole strip factor in to that?
Also, mandatory comment that terrorist is a meaningless word, since I don’t want it being used as a rhetorical crutch. I don’t like Hamas because they are brutal theocrats who care nothing for human rights.
Hey! That’s the same reason I don’t like Israel!
(I also don’t like Hamas)
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Biden stressed his belief that Israel was the victim dating back to the Oct. 7 attack
Yes, we are not disputing that. Israel definitely was the victim at the time. But that doesn’t mean they’re allowed to kill so many innocent people that we now have lost the count
I mean, we had a phenomenal ratio for 9/11 and Iraqi Freedom & Afghanistan.
Israel has never been a victim. And occupier much like a colonist cannot be a victim. It isn’t self defense when people fight back against their occupier. Rather it is the occupier continuing to oppress. We should however bring justice to those innocent civilians who were killed.
I got cut off by a minivan one time so I guess Biden is saying I have carde blanc to run every minivan I see off the road.
carte blanche*
Yeah, that’s the French I was looking for!
If you need a mnemonic, Cate Blanchett might work
I don’t think I could afford keeping her around just to remind me though.
Bone Apple Tea.
Parley View Fwansay?
It’s an urban war.
If you know of one which was carried out with no civilian deaths I’d like to know.
Tankie Joe doing some more Genocide denial.
Bow down for glorious overlord Netanyahu everyone.
Its not genocide because its not from the Atroci region of sub saharan Africa or the Geno region of Central and Eastern Europe.
It’s actually sparkling murder induced relocation of an indigenous people, based solely on their ethnic identity, specifically to bring about the destruction of said ethnic group.
I hope that clears everything up.
