“What’s happening in Gaza is not genocide. We reject that,” Biden said at a Jewish American Heritage Month event at the White House.
I can’t tell if he’s pandering or trying to lose the election
I think the ICC is handling it better. There are two groups in that area that want to murder people, and there are now warrants issued for their arrest. I just don’t think America should have become directly involved.
Building a pier and trying to send in aid is a nice gesture, but Palestinians are killing each other for those boxes of food, and Israelis are attacking aid vehicles. It’s starting to look like Blackhawk Down.
Biden backed Israel by giving them weapons because Hamas had taken so many Israelis hostage. If he had picked the other side when news of the hostages began to spread, society would have been calling him a Nazi.
Both sides in this war want to kill each other. There are children in both sides of these groups that are suffering. How can anyone pick a side and hope that they kill the other side? It’s inhumane. Let the terrorists be arrested.
Now ask yourself if you’d rather be a Palestinian living in Israel or the other way around.
The problem is politics of course. Biden and the Democrats need the “Jewish vote” and their PAC dominates. We’ve already promised for decades now that we’d assist with the defense of Isreal and so they feel forced to follow through and pander to the Jewish community.
What SHOULD happen is we say “your DEFENSE is assured, we will continue to assist with the iron dome and whatever anti-rocket technology is required to DEFEND your citizens. We WILL NOT assist with the INVASION of Palestine.”
But no… That’s too much to ask apparently…
Remember, it’s only genocide if it originates from occupied Poland. Otherwise, it’s just sparkling mass extermination.
Nah, it’s only genocide if it’s carried with the intent to target the whole ethnic group, including civilians. Something that if the IDF really wanted, would’ve meant 100 times the casualties.
Whole or in part. Read the definition.
I wasn’t clear. Apologies.
I meant whole as in both terrorists and civilians. And they’re not doing that, they’re targeting Hamas. If they’d target civilians, then x100 the casualties.
What if the IDF is pursuing a strategy of plausible deniability? What might that look like? The current violence is seeing Israel losing support throughout the world. If the IDF were to start a straight-up Holocaust, those countries that are protesting now might take direct military action to stop it. Plausible deniability might include, say, fostering the creation of a radical militant group, and directing funds to them in order to create a Big Bad to fight against as cover for genocidal land theft.
But they are effectively genociding palestinians. Not only by collateral damage in Gazs but through land theft and killing in the West Bank.
That’s what they’re doing by starving the entire population.
A thing which isn’t happening, considering there’s food in Gaza…
Maybe in the start of the war when there was a blockade, but that’s an order from the israeli government and they’re getting an arrest warrant for it.
That’s great consider telling the IPC about it their website must be full of mistakes. Glad you cleared up this myth that israel is committing Genocide with a statement from the incredibly trustworthy israeli army.
Diet Genocide
Genocide Lite. Genocish. Genocisn’t.
My preferred flavor would be Zero Genocide.
Agreed. But would you also consider I Can’t Believe It’s Not Genocide! ™
Where are the Biden boyfriends that call everyone that criticizes biden a Trump supporter? I said multiple times on lemmy that a lot of people go above and beyond to support this horrible person who repeatedly mentioned his fantasies for an israeli state and serving it since he was a kid.
Trump is worse but that doesn’t mean you can’t criticize this piece of shit.
And the worst thing is I live far away from the US and still get called Trump supporter for calling this sicko a sicko.
Trump is worse but that doesn’t mean you can’t criticize this piece of shit.
Trump says the quiet parts out loud. That’s what ultimately makes him “worse”. While Biden’s handlers give him the PC
Um, Actually its not a real genocide because it didn’t occur in the genocide region of Auschwitz,
Trump’s out there saying
Israel is killing all the terrorists and that’s good aktuly and we should be more like them.
But get down to the policies at hand and there’s no daylight between them.
So much of this election boils down to liberals being forced to face the nightmarish specter of modern American policy even from within their blue state enclaves. With Biden, they can pretend its all being done for good reasons and with a respectable veneer of Rules Based Internationalism. With Trump, they’re forced to watch a guy fuck the rest of the planet with the lights on, while his backers whoop and cheer and siege hail on national television.
But it boils down to optics. Whether we’re gearing up to bomb Iran, whether we’re buy Xinjiang textiles with one hand while wagging a finger at Beijing with the other, whether we’re giving Exxon subsidies to “research hydrogen alternatives” or just cutting them blank checks to drill baby drill, whether we’re holding kids in cages on the border under a rogue Republican governor or a fascist Republican president, its all the same fucking policies.
There’s a lot of people who think it’s a good idea to not vote in the hope that Biden will lose and that will teach the DNC a lesson.
Understandable but some people forget that countries other than US exist. Like I can’t vote there lol. But I do understand your point. I’m just a bit irritated at lemmy users assuming everyone as an American.
That is a bit shortened. We demand Biden to stop supporting this genocide and start upholding international and US law in order to get a vote.
Saying you will vote for him no matter what just encourages the DNC to do whatever they want. Democrats fear the pro Israel lobby as that lobby will follow through on not giving them their votes, if they dont play their ball. If other people would realize their power by following through if the Dems refuse to listen, they could force the Dems to actually be a party of human rights and basic dignity and justice for all.
The thing is, we either get 2 more years of Biden, or 2 more years of Trump. Besides this one issue I don’t think Biden has been that bad. Trump and more broadly republicans have publicly declared their intent to move the country towards a dictatorship.
In the election 2 years from now, if Biden is the president, we will have an interesting primary to see who is the next DNC candidate. If Trump is president, I’m not sure the country will be in a state where that’s possible (not to mention that if it doesn’t get that bad, the DNC will likely put Biden on the ballot regardless of what happens this year).
The thing is, we either get 2 more years of Biden, or 2 more years of Trump.
And
Trump and more broadly republicans have publicly declared their intent to move the country towards a dictatorship.
Are incongruent.
Also, how long do you think presidential terms are? Why do you think we’re going to have another presidential election in 2 years?
You do realize that the election is this year right? Even further, if Biden wins this year, he couldn’t run for a third term if he (and the DNC) wanted.
Most importantly: if Trump wins this year, it won’t just be “2 more years of Trump.” If we listen to what Trump and the GOP has been telling us they will do (and we fucking should, read "Project 2025”), it won’t even be only 4 more years of Trump. It will mark the beginning of the Trump Family Dynasty and his name will rule the country for generations. You want Emperor Barron? I wish this was fucking hyperbole.
They’re not “moving toward a dictatorship,” this is it. This election will decide if democracy continues to exist in the US at all.
He’ll also be far far worse than Biden/Democrats regarding the one topic these people seem to suddenly give a shit about.
It’s shameful. To use the plight of the Palestinian people as a political cudgel. If these people gave a shit about this genocide, they would recognize that allowing Trump into the White House again will make it sooooooo much worse. Don’t think “it can’t get worse,” because we’re about to see it if he wins.
that call everyone that criticizes biden a Trump supporter
Disingenuous as fuck.
It’s like he can’t even do the bare minimum of keeping his mouth shut.
Him or Trump. Both of them would probably be more popular if they just shut the fuck up once in a while.
One day I want to see someone get elected based simply on the fact that they just don’t say anything. Like, Mr. Bean their way to the presidency.
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That would be Calvin Coolidge, aka “Silent Cal.” Supposedly, he was once bet that he could be made to say three words, and he replied, “you lose.”
That said, he’s not an especially highly-rated president.
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The neoliberal colonialist stranglehold world order is collapsing so fast it is making my head spin.
The centrist, austerity minded democrats who have enjoyed power in the US for the last couple of decades are absolutely self immolating, they look like utter absolute murderous clowns when they claim with a straight face that the Palestinian Genocide is not a Genocide.
Make no mistake this is a turning point, no matter what happens in this election, this kind of democrat who supports whatever Israel does because… well because… to the point of pretending an ongoing genocide being done with your weapons and fighter jets doesn’t exist is toast.
No matter what happens in this election, the kind of mainstream media that is towing the line Israel by giving them complete diplomatic and narrative immunity towards being the bad guys when Israel is committing a genocide against the Palestinians every day as we speak… it is detonating the strangehold of conservative, ideologically bereft centrist who have been trying to manage the global status quo without actually conceding to progressive changes to it.
The critical change here is that milquetoast democrats used to be globally regarded as at least somewhat rationale and ethically minded compared to the dumpster that is american conservatism, but this genocide is thoroughly proving to the world that most centrist democrats are just the good cop to the bad cop republicans, and if push comes to shove a good cop has no problem filling in for the role of bad cop when they perceive it will retain their violent power.
I really don’t think the rich and powerful who controlling basically everything in the US have any idea how deep a majority of US citizen’s revulsion over the pointlessness of the Iraq war has burrowed into their psyche. They really don’t get it, they think we are just going to roll over and accept US imperialism/military industrial complex as “just the way it is honey” like our parents did but we are FAR stronger and more politically aware than our parents were and FARRRRRRR more jaded in a way that makes us suspect of the basic legitimacy of the military industrial complex at every turn we have to interact with it.
Which Democrats want austerity??? This isn’t the UK.
Errrr…. you realize the US is one of richest nations that has ever existed and yet ~95% of people living in it are one or two crises away from collapsing?
There are homeless everywhere and if anything centrist democrats are giddy to criminalize the state of being without a home. Biden was an instrumental part of the crime bills that came to define some of the most vivid failures of neoliberalism. Kamala Harris has a similar history. Have these politicians evolved and changed? Yes of course but that isn’t my point.
My point is that is it really disputable at this point that modern centrist leftwing political groups in the US, UK and similar political environments are as associated with austerity policies as rightwing politicians? There are degrees of difference, but it is a contrast of magnitude not of ethics of attitude.
There are no left wing political groups in the US. Closest thing we’ve got is a centrist named Bernie who has no political party supporting him, and a ‘squad’ of Democrats pretending to be progressive while they support culturally conservative politics, virulent ethno-nationalism, and violently ignorant theocracy in other countries.
While I don’t disagree with what you’re saying, holy FUCK, you need to learn how to break up your thoughts with a period. You have 5 paragraphs and 6 periods.
That’s a symptom.
Oh. I get it.
He’s pregnant.
I’m pregnant with a podcast,
Run!
That’s very funny. I wish I could take credit for that joke but I was talking about schizophrenia.
Yeah… That’s how I read your post, but I paused and decided I wasn’t sure and I’d zig a little.
I mean… That is a lot of missed periods. I’d expect a baby or a medical condition, too.
I take this as a valid critique of myself and the way I write sentences like contestants on those shopping blitz game shows where you get a limited time but you can keep whatever fits in your cart if you make it back to the finish line in time.
The metaphor is imperfect because I (clearly) don’t have a timer.
I beg to differ.
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Is not genocide if you don’t consider them people, right? Just animal victims.
Tankie Joe doing some more Genocide denial.
Bow down for glorious overlord Netanyahu everyone.
Biden stressed his belief that Israel was the victim dating back to the Oct. 7 attack
Yes, we are not disputing that. Israel definitely was the victim at the time. But that doesn’t mean they’re allowed to kill so many innocent people that we now have lost the count
It’s an urban war.
If you know of one which was carried out with no civilian deaths I’d like to know.
I got cut off by a minivan one time so I guess Biden is saying I have carde blanc to run every minivan I see off the road.
carte blanche*
Bone Apple Tea.
Parley View Fwansay?
Yeah, that’s the French I was looking for!
If you need a mnemonic, Cate Blanchett might work
I don’t think I could afford keeping her around just to remind me though.
Israel has never been a victim. And occupier much like a colonist cannot be a victim. It isn’t self defense when people fight back against their occupier. Rather it is the occupier continuing to oppress. We should however bring justice to those innocent civilians who were killed.
I mean, we had a phenomenal ratio for 9/11 and Iraqi Freedom & Afghanistan.
Explain then what killing people by coordinated starving, displacement, and exposing to unhealthy and life-threatening situations by the IDF is in your opinion.
The IDF said stop resisting. All they had to do was behave and comply and none of this would have happened. It was self defense. Israel felt threatened. Well, what were they wearing? Am I doing it right?
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I’m shocked that this needs a /s, wow
Don’t forget: The perps had traces of drugs in their systems.
Those are just premeditated accidental killings. It’s very different.
Not the best choice of words, Joe.
This is what we get when the Boomer mind set is still in charge. Hopefully a younger person would have only supplied Israel with defense, Iron Dome, etc… and not weapons, bombs to attack. Unfortunately we are stuck with the choice of 2 Boomers.
I still don’t get how there are one issue voters. Trump would be much worse on this many other issues to say the least. Giving Trump 4 more years to further wreck our democracy and appoint more Far-Right Supreme court justices is totally short sighted.
I’ve been voting since 2000(Edit: this kinda makes me sound like a douche, “I’ve been voting for years so listen to me!” Sorry aboot dat), and protest votes or not voting only gets Republicans elected. Just like Paul Weyrich said Paul WayrichHere is an alternative Piped link(s):
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Biden’s older than a Boomer though, he’s Silent Generation. (Trump is on the older end, but indeed a Boomer.) I’m curious if you’ll ever have a Gen X president some day, but it’s not really generation that matters so much as having someone of reasonable intelligence who has empathy and integrity instead of yet another power-networking fundraising wizard.
Damn, you’re right. My bad. You can’t be a Boomer until after WWII, duh that was silly. Thanks 👍
Get fuckt
