There’s an episode of Star Trek TNG where the crew is briefly back on earth and capt Picard is enticed by the idea of taking a job where they do exactly this. They work on lifting a tectonic plate from the ocean floor to create a new continent.
Just like the Simpsons or XKCD, there’s always a relevant Star Trek episode. It’s unfortunate none of my friends have watched any.
Where do we ship the Clockwork Orange eyelid clamps?
Are those really friends?
I’ll be your friend ♥️
I have a vague memory of that and I have a feeling it would be a massive ecological catastrophe.
Then again, Earth had already gone through a nuclear war, so whatever.
I mean, two nuclear bombs were used in war and a bunch in testing, unless I’m forgetting something. I feel like tectonic activity could definitely be much worse than that, judging by the early earth environment.
S4E2. After the Borg incident Picard visits his brother and childhood home. Brief discussions of alternate life.
I believe the project in that episode was actually Atlantropa, a dam across the strait of Gibraltar to drain the entire Mediterranean sea.
The idea was proposed in the 1920s and somewhat entertained by Adolf Hitler and the Nazis.
Why do I have no memory of this
Because you fail as a nerd and have brought shame on your family.
Time to do a ritual self-killing known as sudoku.
Nonono, that’s a stupid puzzle game. The word you’re looking for is sardaukar.
If it helps I think it’s the one where he gets into a fight with his brother
Yeah, I already found it on Memory Alpha
It really was just a passing reference, so no wonder I don’t remember it after thirty years
My neuropathy prevents me from forgetting things like that
Dutch be like “amateurs”
Slartibartfast*
The Dutch word for “amateurs” is actually “amateurs”, except “ama” is pronounced like it is in “Amadeus” and “eu” is pronounced like a really posh British person saying “oh”
The Dutch won’t get awards for the design of the coastline.
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Where would we get the land to fill it in? EASY! We’ll just pull up our old plan to blow up the moon and use the chunks to make more America!
Pretty sure that, even if we managed to haul every piece of the moon back to Earth, we would not get close to the material required to fill the circled area. It’d be sufficient for maybe 5 miles of extending the coast line, but not much more.
The moon has a volume of 21,971,669,064 km³. I am very certain that you could fill the area in question with that!
Ok, yeah, I was way off. Did some ballpark math and the moon is big enough to fill the entire Atlantic lol
I went a more math-less way when I read this originally. The moon is about a quarter the width (diameter) of the Earth, and the variances in the height of the Earth’s crust (mountains and trenches) aren’t visible in satellite images of Earth. If you cut the moon in half and put it down in the Atlantic, would it change the contour of the Earth’s crust as seen from orbit? Yeah, it’d be another eighth-again as wide on one side. You’d notice.
Doing some quick checking confirms: the Atlantic has a volume of about 355 million cubic kilometers. The moon is about 22 billion cubic kilometers. So you’d only need about 1.6% of the moon to fill up the Atlantic.
This is fun. It feels like an xkcd What-If.
The REAL problem is that it might throw off the balance of power in the Senate.
That and we’re currently using the Appalachians for something.
Carefully timed explosives placed in the middle of the moon causing it to split in half, one half going away from Earth and the other half going right into the Atlantic coast. Problem solved.
Just make sure you time it right so that the ocean is facing the moon
Wait, you’re joking right? It can’t be that easy??
Depends on how the moon is wobbling that day
Chat is this real
I dunno, why do you guys keep asking me?
Gundam type bullshit
Wouldn’t the friction from half of the moon entering the atmosphere generate enough heat to set most of the east coast on fire? I remember one of my teachers telling me it would but it definitely wouldn’t be the first time one of my teachers was wrong.
There was a book about that. It did indeed result in a new continent in the Atlantic. Then all the people Europe colonized rise up and kill all the Europeans and take over that continent, the end.
I enjoyed it.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/61273333-the-hopkins-manuscript
Thats literally what China is doing atm
I wouldn’t call creating some artificial islands with sand is ‘literally’ doubling the size of a continent into the ocean.
That was just a tiny first step … give it a few thousand years and some cement mixed in with the sand.
Of course we would need many thousand years without big wars… which is not sure, and far from it.
And creating environmental catatrophes to do it.
As if America needs to be any bigger
We’re not the biggest yet. We just need to annex Canada and Mexico…
Manifest destiny baybeee
Or better, just remote land from America so everyone sinks. :)
Obviously this is a terrible idea, but I’m gonna answer it seriously for the sake of dunking on it.
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The amount of work. I mean, just astronomical. That’s 1,650 miles of longitude this dude is talking about filling in; the largest earth-moving project ever was the Panama Canal, and it’s only about 50 miles long. Plus, by comparison, it’s essentially a one-dimensional line! This looks like it’s probably in the ballpark of 500-ish miles from the current shore to the new shore, and two-ish miles from the surface to the floor.
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Where would we get the land from? It’s not like there’s a pile just sitting around. I guess we could dredge the Pacific and truck it across to pour into the Atlantic? Take down the Appalachians and the Rockies? Bring down an asteroid into the ocean? None of that would be enough. In fact, nothing I can think of that we have access to could even come close to providing enough dirt (remember, we need 1,650 x 500 x 2 cubic miles of it!), even if we could manage to do it without destroying ecosystems or killing billions of people.
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The people who have spent a lot of money buying homes and businesses on the current Eastern seaboard of the United States would probably have something to say about this plan. (Something loud and something very angry.) Besides, it would completely upend the shipping industry, the fishing industry, the tourism industry, and more. This would legitimately destroy multiple national economies, and that’s before you even take into account the ecological disaster.
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Sea level rise is already a major problem. So displacing a bunch of water in favor of dirt probably isn’t going to help that too terribly much.
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…why? A lot of America is sitting unused or underused. If you were to clump all of the US’s land use into discrete blocks, it would look like this:
The area labeled “LAND?” on the ocean in the OP map is, give or take, the size of the current amount of land owned by the 100 largest landowning families, private family timberland, golf, and fallow land (meaning land used for nothing). This means that the area that the person in question is asking about is already essentially or literally being used for nothing at all. Before we start undertaking an ecologically-disastrous and fundamentally impossible project, we’d probably figure out ways to use that other land.
But there’s more. The land that is being used is almost entirely being underused. For instance, take the “Cow pasture/range” section of the map; cattle account, by far, for the highest land use of any land use in the country. But the 28.2 million cows in America only need about an acre of land each; meaning that the 124.7 million acres of land they roam is about five times bigger than what they actually need. Most of the other production uses for land in the US (along with rural housing) are similarly sprawling because they can be; land is comparatively cheap, so there’s no real reason to consolidate. If that changes, land prices will rise, and the people and companies holding on to underused land will discover that it makes financial sense to sell and reconfigure their businesses to make more efficient use of the land.
So calm down, Lex Luthor. The problem isn’t that resources are actually scarce. It’s that people at the top have a financial interest in underusing their holdings so that they can keep prices artificially high.
Too much effort for these stupid “ideas”. Of it were a child, explain it like you did, but I presume it isn’t. So let me explain it: No.
Too much effort for these stupid “ideas”. Of it were a child, explain it like you did, but I presume it isn’t. So let me explain it: No.
How profoundly arrogant to presume to tell me what to do or not to do with my own time. I’ll use my time how I like, thank you very much.
And it wasn’t wasted time. I learned things, I produced something, I had fun doing it. I may have even educated others.
Get off your high horse. What you did in posting a complaint about the effort I expended was way more useless than what I did.
And it was funny and instructive ! Thanks for it ! 😊
I think you are forgetting good ol American gumption!
American gumption sneers at the laws of physics!
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There are lots of reasons this wouldn’t work, but yours isn’t one of them. Plenty of coastal cities have already done this on a small scale, whole neighborhoods are built on fill- back bay in Boston, marina district in San Francisco just to name a couple. And as a bonus, a good strong earthquake turns it to soup, so every so often you can wipe the slate clean and start over.
kinda crazy that on your map, airports use as much land as railways.
Very elaborate and snarky answer. Love it
But the 28.2 million cows in America only need about an acre of land each; meaning that the 124.7 million acres of land they roam is about five times bigger than what they actually need.
Wouldn’t we want cattle using at least a bit more land than they strictly need? Overgrazing was one of the contributing factors to the Dust Bowl.
My understanding is that they need an acre each specifically to prevent overgrazing, but I could be mistaken there.
And it’s coming back!
https://wgntv.com/news/traffic/dust-storm-closes-illinois-interstate/
Don’t worry, dust storms in Illinois are perfectly normal.
Ooh cool map for visualizing land-use in the US, ty 4 sharing!
So… life isn’t Minecraft ? 😭
There’s definitely not a
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Fallow land is used land. It’s land that’s not currently used but its non-usage only happens its efficiency when actually used. It’s like sleeping, but for land, so it’s not free to use
I’m aware of that land use need, but actually most farmers use crop rotation to fulfill that need. You plant a crop that depletes phosphorus one year, and then one that restores it the next year. Obviously that’s oversimplified, but actually letting land lie fallow isn’t as critical anymore in a more diverse agricultural world.
Besides, letting land lie fallow is agricultural use, as you’re restoring the land for later growing seasons. That, iirc, is why the word “idle” is included on the map alongside “fallow;” true fallowing would be included in the agriculture regions.
eh… we can solve all that with ammonium nitrate… aka fertilizer
Fertilizer does provide some help, but cover crops and crop rotation is still necessary. Anhydrous ammonia and ammonium nitrate don’t replenish everything that crops take out of the ground (really just nitrogen); and even if it did, it’s really expensive.
you have a good pt. maybe just more poop.
btw is fallow the same as barren?
Please, all we gotta do is create some volcanoes at strategic locations in the ocean.
The bigger the better. No time at all we’ll have new landmass.
/s
I’m glad someone in this thread is being rational.
I always wondered if I could hypothetically make a volcano by drilling a deep enough hole.
If you already know where a pressurized liquid magma pool is, maybe. Though if it’s not pressurized enough you might just get the release of some weird fumes and vapors. Or the lava might rise a little then settle back to a standard hight rather than errupting.
If you dont have a pool of lava to aim for about the earth mantle, then probably not :( By the time you get deep enough into the earth to hit magma, the hole would collapse due to pressure and pretty much any modern drill would be soft due to the heat.
Heres a discussion about this that happened else where on the interwebs.
Thanks! I really have wondered that for years.
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Scrap filling it with dirt.
Make a framework to allow mangroves to grow on the surface and act like a giant, natural, floating platform. Like that dude who made his own island base (multiple times because weather keeps destroying it).
You gotta take the Dubai approach and just hemorrhage money at it until hopefully enough people pay you to be there.
Team Magma is at it again.
Why bother filling it with land when you can just find some crusty old map with some dashes on it as evidence that it belongs to you
Americans don’t known NOTHING about geography
Someone called the Netherlands?
The netherlands entered the chat
G E K O L O N I S E E R D
Or is that not allowed over here😅
A guy tried that in, I think, 2006. Superman just threw his new landmass out into space.
