Ahead of the European election, striking data shows where Gen Z and millennials’ allegiances lie.
Far-right parties are surging across Europe — and young voters are buying in.
Many parties with anti-immigrant agendas are even seeing support from first-time young voters in the upcoming June 6-9 European Parliament election.
In Belgium, France, Portugal, Germany and Finland, younger voters are backing anti-immigration and anti-establishment parties in numbers equal to and even exceeding older voters, analyses of recent elections and research of young people’s political preferences suggest.
In the Netherlands, Geert Wilders’ anti-immigration far-right Freedom Party won the 2023 election on a campaign that tied affordable housing to restrictions on immigration — a focus that struck a chord with young voters. In Portugal, too, the far-right party Chega, which means “enough” in Portuguese, drew on young people’s frustration with the housing crisis, among other quality-of-life concerns.
The analysis also points to a split: While young women often reported support for the Greens and other left-leaning parties, anti-migration parties did particularly well among young men. (Though there are some exceptions. See France, below, for example.)
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The only evil are ones are tricked by a false god. Your worthless fight will end in loneliness and self hatred.
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If only we had a few more human sacrifices to appease God we might be more worthy.
1000 BC called, they want their delusion back.
Edit: Oh god, your post history lmao. The narcissist who fucks prostitutes, cheats on his spouses, steals money from taxpayers, lies every day. THAT is your sAviOr? You think Jesus would have a good opinion of Trump, the false prophet?
Which god?
Because I’ve been cutting people’s hearts out on top of a pyramid to appease Huitzilopochtli and make sure the corn keeps growing every day for years now.
Corn’s still growing.
You’re welcome.
This level of delusion is usually reserved for people who huff aerosols.
No shit the youth are voting authoritarian, we’ve already seen how powerful and impactful TikTok Algorithms have been.
I’m not surprised by the male/female gap. The past decade, young men have been told that white men are the worst thing to be. The left has not provided any role models for young men.
The right has many.
As a white dude I don’t feel like this at all. There are plenty of outspoken progressive men all over popular media, and at every level of society. It only feels this way because progressive messaging asks men to do a lot more soul searching, while conservative messaging is effectively information warfare designed to validate low effort biases and reinforce historical power structures.
Name 3
Most of the progressive role models I see for straight white men focus on uplifting minorities and the disenfranchised. When it’s not done to white knight or virtue signal, that’s awesome. But it misses a crucial part of what a role model should be. Someone who understands your struggles and promotes self love and empathy. And encourages you to stick up for yourself. Secure your mask before helping others.
But when these men talk about their struggles they’re branded as incels. If they say they’re proud of their heritage they’re branded as racist. If they try and do something about injustices they face they’re branded conservatives.
I don’t understand why you believe these messages about securing your own mask need to come from white men. What you are describing are universal issues of mental health and self esteem which have nothing to do with race or gender.
The fact that you immediately go to white knights and virtue signalling says a lot. Building an inclusive society isn’t a matter of charity, it makes us all stronger. When you exclude people, they will not help you. This is so fucking simple, children understand it.
Yes. Was I unclear about something? I never said it NEEDED to come from white men. But it should also come from white men.
progressive messaging sucks, that’s why. it says ‘go to therapy and be content with what little you have’
conservative messaging says ‘do this shit and you’ll get money and women’
“be content with what little you have” is conservative messaging, not progressive.
The right has many.
LOL…the right has one. As someone who is relatively a-political, I perceive much more pressure to “be a manly man” (whatever the fuck that is…I guess DRIVE TRUCK, EAT MEAT, FOOT EVERY BALL, LIFT EVERY WEIGHT, JESUS, NO MASK! NO VACCINE! and PUFF OUT CHEST) than I do to “not be a white man” but I guess I don’t spend all day in my basement worrying about what people with anime profile pictures are posting on Xitter, nor watch the big, angry puffed chest man underground truth news featuring screamy mc redface rant about it nightly…so I’m not as black pilled as you are.
The right has a fuckload, Jordan Peterson to Tate, Joe Rogan and Ben Shapiro and those are probably just the ones I’ve seen on the right as a lefty.
I could name a single left wing person that’s trying to teach men how to be good humans. Because as you said, men also suffer under the patriarchy.
Dude, a wide variety of entertainers and lots of other wildly successful people are loosely affiliated with the left.
They’re just too busy doing other stuff instead of screaming into a camera and uploading it on YouTube.
The people you listed aren’t even role models. They’re talking heads. They’re pundits. “The left” depending upon how you define “the left” has those too.
I must admit though that I misread the post I originally replied to. I thought he was talking about how “the right” has many archetypes or blueprints or something for being a man. It doesn’t. It has one stereotype and it wants everyone to be that. However, that’s a different discussion entirely so my apologies.
They’re just too busy doing other stuff instead of screaming into a camera and uploading it on YouTube.
That’s exactly the problem I’m trying to highlight
As a white dude I sometimes think our suicide rate is a good thing. The left will never reach out and the other side are fascists. White men is what people think of in the alt right, they own us no mater how we vote.
The KKK and Adolf Hitler were not known for their diversity hires.
They had Ernst Rohm
For a while
Odd take
How else would you describe it? because part of the problem is that it is absolutely true that white men gave us Trump so hatred to us is kind of justified. Hell, i grew up in a hick town and I have seen how hopeless it is for change in those groups its almost inherent. And all though they are way more reasonable then conservatives liberals still want to ignore that women and minorities vote republican too, in fact two of the most talked about GOP candidates in the primary was a woman and the son of an Indian immigrant. which is a problem, but its still nothing compared to the views of most republicans who think school shootings happen because some dude in a dress read a book to some kids. So yeah, suicide is easier.
Don’t you view some trouble in writing out
white men gave us Trump so hatred to us is kind of justified
Followed by
liberals still want to ignore that women and minorities vote republican too
So yeah, suicide is easier.
Clearly it’s not going to change the outcome, just those who get to play
I am talking about numbers though. If white men did not vote we would never see another GOP president. Becuase yeah women and minorities vote for them too, but its still a vast majority of white men.
You would have non-white conservatives running the GOP
Like those two you just mentioned
Substitute the token minority that they target for someone else if you want but it doesn’t make anything better
We can replace Christian nationalism with Hindu nationalism
Canada’s Conservative Party has promised mass immigration from India/fast tracking any that want to come here because they know they will vote for them. The same would happen with Republicans
Meanwhile our Liberal Party gets booed when they go to mosques because they are pro-gay. We had nationwide protests against gay/trans last summer organized by mosques. Even though the majority participating were your rural white people just because of our demographics
It’s like listening to a carnival mirror talk.
Thats why I said it sometimes felt reasonable. But it also feels like I am making a straw man argument in my mind when I think about it so its hard to talk about. And I just don’t see how we can turn that trend around anyway.
And honestly, I think liberal circles have what I see as hidden fascists would love to turn progressivism into a new religion and use it to justify some fucked up shit. But for the sake of solidarity we just have to accept them because at least they might care about the planet and are willing to let gay people marry and don’t believe in literal magic.
But social media is filled with so many bots and news sites are written by AI now that I don’t even know what’s true anymore, so maybe fascism will win no mater what we do and the entire thing is pointless.
Username checks out.
young men have been told that white men are the worst thing to be.
Ok, but try not being a man and see if people think that’s any better…
Yep. This hardship has been coming at us for over 100years and, given the choice, most people will choose to have some faceless ‘other’ bear the problem than to share the hardship with the rest of the world. The climate crisis is real and this is just the tip of the mass migrations that will want to occur. If we don’t let them in, soon they will stop asking permission.
Perhaps, with enough propaganda, we could get them so turned back on themselves and they will be too weak to attack us before they realize their true enemy. Western-style politics has proven it a potentially viable strategy.
The right-wing promises you may be burdened, but others will be more burdened to make you feel like you are not the bottom. The left doesn’t understand, or is unwilling to accept, the emotional deficiency of people like the right.
Chimps off the old bloc.
To the surprise of no one. This is the result of neolibs that keep electing “moderates” which never fix any issues.
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Yeah, there was a poll recently near me (online local news so sampling issue) that found zoomers and boomers were more often right wing while X and Y were more often left wing
In the EU.
In America, it’s starkly divided by generational lines, with the remainder being down to race, education, wealth and urbanness, which actually makes me think what’s going on in Europe is a somewhat unrelated phenomenon.
In America, it’s starkly divided by generational lines,
Not as much as the “lol boomers” crowd would have you believe.
There’s a lot more <50 at Trump’s rallies than >60.
Same with the Jan6 traitors. Lots of them were <40
America has a Boomergeoisie.
As for traitors:
https://time.com/5931320/businesses-boycotted-capitol-riots/
https://www.inc.com/inc-staff/capitol-insurrection-business-owners.html
From your first link:
Across the country, small business owners who attended the pro-Trump event are facing backlash
That gives me some small measure of hope for the future.
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Jan 6 guys are nothing like a representative sample. Trailer park grandpa couldn’t show up to that for multiple reasons. Even then, I’d guess a median age of 45 just based on the videos. The shaman guy was like 32 and he was kind of a baby.
I know less about normal Trump rallies, but I don’t really need to because there’s actual polling to rely on. MAGA youth exist, but they’re underrepresented and even more heavily poor, white, uneducated and rural. Meanwhile, in Europe, there’s basically no correlation. Young and old alike support AfD about the same.
What we have on this continent is definitely fascism, fueled by pure, barely-directed hate and hostile to democracy. In Europe, I wonder if it’s more of a reversion to Japan-like policy, which might have been more natural for these ancient kingdoms all along. That’s just a wild guess, but I hope so, because I like democracy.
You need to leave your basement
Ooh, brilliant counterargument. /s
No, you really need to get out and look around.
Your debate skills are breathtaking. Say something about cheeto dust or mountain dew next. Then I’ll start asking how many teeth you have and what your family tree is shaped like. This is an excellent use of both our time. /s
I’m not debating. I’m telling you you need to travel and look around.
some younger people like me are not allowed to vote because of bipartisan policies and laws
quit blaming us for everybody refusing to vote better people in
not our fault y’all refuse to vote better
That sounds pretty shit. I’m pretty ignorant of EU voting laws, what kind of laws prevent young folks from voting? Is it a high voting age or are there even more restrictions?
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It sounds like you’re an American citizen. As such you’re really not very relevant in the European election…
100% the fault of anyone that does not Vote.
100% the fault of a political class that puts the needs of donors ahead of all else. Fascism has always been the result of neoliberalism. It’s absolutely predictable. The best and the worst ballot choices that most people have all lead to the rise of fascism.
those whom you call “political class”, are in fact the representatives of the very wealthy, are only there as lots of Eligible Voters sat out prior elections, and the “political class”'s owners paid for the propaganda that convinced them to do so. Exact same bullshit they’ve sold to you in fact.
I’m not sure why you assume I don’t know who’s pulling the strings. However, the impact of those who don’t vote is dwarfed by the impact of those who vote for the wrong candidates. I know it’s liberal orthodoxy to write off a ton of voters completely, but I think that’s a mistake.
If I have to blame voters for the predicament we’re in now, I would have to land on Biden voters in the 2020 primary. It’s hard to blame them though without blaming corporate mainstream media that lied constantly about electability in the general.
As for why Trump became president in 2016, I think the failures of the Obama presidency are pretty relevant. Obama ran as a reformer in 2008, and voters turned out for him in massive numbers. Then Obama betrayed them by being the most milquetoast establishment President possible.
There is plenty of blame to go around, but none of that interests me. What I care about is, what strategies might dig us out of this mess. Voters shaming is not a viable strategy, and it’s more likely to drive voters away than help.
The other big thing that voter shamers don’t get is that we don’t just need people to show up at the polls. Democrats tend to write off the youth vote because they vote in lower numbers than other demographics. However, when it comes to phone banking, knocking on doors, or marching in the streets, youth far outstrip other demographics. Enthusiasm is critical, and voter shaming destroys it. Whatever grassroots movement was behind Biden is utterly dead, and Zionist Biden is responsible.
I tore your entire bullshit position to shreds, so you whined a lot about unrelated crap in an effort to distract from your having no leg to stand on.
That’s an interesting take. Let me know if anyone lets you know that they decided to vote Biden because of voter shaming. I won’t hold my breath
Only showing up to vote every four years, and assuming we won’t slide into fascism because you pushed the right button, is silly. On that we agree.
Not using the power of the ballot box in addition to all the other much more difficult / impactful things which are required for real change is much, much worse. It’s like, “Oh no the wrong people are in charge! This is very unfair. Better just give up and let them do whatever then.”
Lots more elections than every four! Every Election, no excuses!
Bellow I’ve filtered out the primaries, which often have issues not related to party as well, and excludes local elections.
link at end:
“2023 – November (Constitutional)
Registered Voters
17,759,273
Voting Age Population (VAP)
21,925,627
Percentage of VAP Registered
81.00%
Turnout
2,563,469
Percent of Turnout to Registered
14.43%
Percent of Turnout to VAP
11.69%
2022 – November (Gubernatorial)
Registered Voters
17,672,143
Voting Age Population (VAP)
21,866,700
Percentage of VAP Registered
80.82%
Turnout
8,102,908
Percent of Turnout to Registered
45.85%
Percent of Turnout to VAP
37.06%
2021 - November (Constitutional)
Registered Voters
16,968,756
Voting Age Population (VAP)
21,866,700
Percentage of VAP Registered
77.60%
Turnout
1,485,066
Percent of Turnout to Registered
8.75%
Percent of Turnout to VAP
6.79%
2020 – November (Presidential)
Registered Voters
16,955,519
Voting Age Population (VAP)
21,596,071
Percentage of VAP Registered
78.51%
Turnout
11,315,056
Percent of Turnout to Registered
66.73%
Percent of Turnout to VAP
52.39” - https://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/historical/70-92.shtmlThe rise of fascism is always the result of a long strong of causes. In a democracy the final cause in that chain will always be voters, but I think it’s intellectually lazy to assume that makes the failure of voters “worse”.
Most of the voters who don’t show up are just disinterested in politics for a variety of reasons. I don’t think there area many that say “Oh, no, a problem! Better ignore it”!
Blaming voters might be somehow cathartic, but the voters you’re blaming aren’t going to care. That’s the way to go if you care more about assigning blame than actually addressing the problems.
That’s not actually all that surprising. The far-right, at least in Germany, is far more prominent on social media. It sucks but I don’t think we can prevent that. We have a lot of complex problems but social media favors short answers instead of complex ones. A lot of younger people simply lack the critical thinking to see these simple answers for what they are - bullshit. And I can’t blame them, they have been exposed to this bullshit for most of their lives.
I was coming in here to suggest this. The right around the world, almost certainly with the aid of Russia’s massive troll farm, has really stepped up its game in terms of internet outreach to young people.
I don’t know how it is in Germany, though I am convinced our methods in the U.S to educate and school kids and teens actively hurt critical thinking skills. They’re not taught to make decisions. They’re taught to follow set rules, ask for permission, and be ashamed if they fail. They’re not taught to learn, they’re taught to work.
That’s a feature, not a bug. The far right has been attacking our educational system since Reagan, if not before.
They can’t exist with a well educated populace.
They’re taught to follow set rules, ask for permission, and be ashamed if they fail. They’re not taught to learn, they’re taught to work.
This might be even more ingrained in German culture.
I do agree that social media is a huge driver of our societal problems and not fixing them, but I think you have the order reversed, social media is extremely effective at transmitting short, easy answers to our problems because that’s what people gravitate to on the whole. Especially extremely scared and desperate people, and young people especially see a lot of reasons to be afraid about what the future is going to look like.
We haven’t even really gotten to ecoFascism yet, but I think it’s inevitable to rise as things continue marching forward without dramatic societal changes
We aren’t getting to eco fascism because pollution populism is all the rage. After all, if Taylor Swift can fly around the world easily, why can’t I drive around in my emotional support truck?
When people find themselves in stress, they will always vote conservative to ensure their own survival. Right now, many young people can’t afford housing, they have to spend more time working than living. This is not surprising.
in stress, they will always vote conservative to ensure their own survival
That isn’t a safe bet, though.
The cornerstone of the conservative M-O is withdrawal of services and opportunities for the 99%. Sure, this sticks it to immigrants, but only because it shafts everyone but the rich.
And when those services go away - healthcare, unemployment protection, programmes sponsoring training so people can get back to paying tax sooner - they never come back under this administration. It’s left as the sole focus of the fools who follow them and have to stoch a country back together out of the unmaintained underpowered mess of a system the elitist scum left them with.
What the elites didn’t sell to themselves for a song at any rate. That’s the other part of it, they raid the government for parts and then turn it into a profit service no matter how many people they end up killing.
Of course it’s not a safe bet, that’s why it’s based in fear. That’s how it’s always been.
Which makes no fucking sense since conservatives just make those issues worse.
Reactionary viewpoints are a result of crumbling and decaying societies. They cling to what once was, rather than trying to progress onward to Socialism.
Reactionaries are wrong, of course, but the origin of these viewpoints currently is from Capitalism’s failures.
It makes all the sense in the world. Horrible people want to be in power. So they market themselves as the just the strong man you need to deal with these problems. No problems? well then they just create them. There isn’t anything stopping them from just lying about where the problems came from, so it turns into a self licking ice cream cone.
So they market themselves as the just the strong man you need to deal with these problems
Without ever specifying how they’re planning on fixing those problems.
And more often than not, the problems they claim to be able to deal with were not anything people were thinking about until that same candidate told them they should be concerned about it.
Yup
The walls are being built.
A lot of people vote far-right out of despair. A “things are shit and can’t get any worse” mentality.
The best defence against the right is government that actually works for the people.
Which is why the right work so hard to assure Gov. does not work.
And why they dismantle the systems they’re tasked with protecting the moment they can.
This is exactly, literally true. The hard right folks in all branches of government are always throwing wrenches in the machine and then complaining that we have to get rid of the machine because it doesn’t work.
Look! We gutted the public system. Clearly the privatized alternative must be the solution. We support privatization btw, so you need to vote for us!
There’s a lot of them right here on lemmy. If you don’t know what to look for, they’re the ones yelling at everyone not to vote. They’re the ones you’ll see on every post that’s critical of Biden, but they’re nowhere to be found n any news critical of Trump.
They’re the ones that either disappear, or resort to personal attacks when you simply ask them who else can win the White House if not Biden.
They’re all over lemmy. They are just counting on you not being aware of it.
Yup, everyone who doesn’t like your president or your team is a horrible no good far right troll. It’s amazing how well one can do when you get paid by Soros and Koch!
Soros and Koch
Ohh, good for my bingo card
You know what the Kochs do right? And who promised to help that industry if they give them 1 billion?
I’m aware. Please sit and think about the comment you responded to though. Are there really Soros bucks? Does it follow that Koch bucks are likely either? Or maybe I’m just poking fun at the fact that the right accuses me of being a Soros funded Communist and you guys accuse me of voting for Trump
You had me in the first half 😅
Did I say everyone? It’s very easy to tell the ones that are though.
VERY easy.
Oh no! you left yourself verbal wiggle room. I guess some of them are nice people?
There are always exceptions. This is because the world we live in isn’t as back and white as you all like to paint it.
No. You just used sweeping generalizations with the barest of a fig cover. Even now. They’re “exceptions” meaning you think your post is the rule. So you’re just trying to split technical hairs so you don’t have to face criticism.
Again, I said there’s a lot of them. A LOT. I didn’t say “all” or even “most.” I said A LOT. That, by definition- is not a sweeping generalization. It’s a statement of an indiscriminate, and unknown amount. Similar to “a few”, or “some.”
That you’re here whining and splitting hairs over this says a lot more about you than it does me.
Something something something protest too much methinks.
That is the very definition of a sweeping generalization. For example, how do you quantify “a lot”? And yeah that would be convenient for you wouldn’t it? Getting called on your attempt to demonize independents by someone who fit your profile. Alas, no.
You’re username stands out, this an alt for your hexbear account or are you just at the same tier of not-being-able-to-think-critically?
Oh I’m fine. I’m just giving this as much effort as you guys right now. And no this isn’t an alt nor do I have a hexbear account. I just don’t think we should vote for someone whose an accessory to Genocide. It’s not a complex position.
Then who should we vote for? Someone is going to be president and literally the only choices are Dictator Trump and Status Quo Biden…
I don’t know or care. RFK is polling surprisingly well but he’s also RFK. So maybe we don’t vote for president this year. Maybe this year we protest the system instead and challenge the idea that this is a legitimate way to represent us.
So what, you will instead vote for the party that check notes promises to crush pro-Palestine protests and deport any foreign student participating, and writes down “finish them” on missiles used to kill Palestinians? OK.
No I’ll write you in. Don’t worry, just your Lemmy name.
who else can win the White House if not Biden.
I’d vote for him.
Probably because things are getting worse but liberal parties are more concerned with keeping up the status quo than actually improving things, so you get a lot of apathy and people taking a gamble which will not pan out well.
