It’s obvious that Reddit as a company has no respect for its users and less than that for the mods. It’s a thankless, difficult job that isn’t even a paid position. I think a lot of us have probably quit real jobs for less bs than Reddit has pulled.
So why stay? Why bother with protests and such when the company has made it clear they don’t value your work or your opinions? Why not just pull out en masse and let the place burn to the ground?
At this point, I think some of 'em are just sticking around to push spez as far as possible. Look at all the shit some of 'em are doing, does it look like they care whether or not they’re still mods at the end of it all?
Tbf, when the mods turn to the community and the community understands the ship is going down no matter what, the fun can actually begin for every party involved except for spez.
Yeah, aside from the bootlickers who’re desperate to polish spez’s soles with their tongues.
My guess. Many of the mods who have been doing it for years have a sense of ownership and personal investment in the role/sub. Modding is a thankless task most of the time, so if they are still doing it, for free, they must be getting some emotional benefit.
It may also be the only aspect of their lives where they can exert any control or agency.
Ahem… not anymore apparently
Wouldn’t it be more effective to simply delete whole subreddits en masse? Not only would that spit in spez’s face, but it would drive many to other sites like here. Or am I missing something on account of being a low tech old fart?
I’m pretty sure you can’t just “delete” a subreddit
It would be safe to assume reddit has backups they can load up in that case.
Some places, for example AskHistorians have a lot of amazing content to protect. Other communities would suffer greatly if “insensitive” (read Nazi) mods took over.
It’s so frustrating. For years they refused to touch moderators of truly cruel and dangerous subs. But let them suffer a little pushback, and suddenly they are more than willing to remove people from positions of power.
You know this is another big aspect to all this that people keep forgetting. They DID act like they had no control getting rid of problematic mods in the past but it sure wasn’t an issue getting rid of actually good mods when it hurt reddits bottom line. Also I know it was a bigots comment but Spez fucked around and edited peoples comments and shit too. It’s just WAY too power trippy over there.
Some because of the power, others because they love the community so much. In my opinion, if a company doesn’t respect or like you don’t work for free for them because of some misguided sense of community or duty. Only do it for the powertripping then.
They don’t want to give up their powertrips
As a (soon to be) former reddit mod, reddit moderators are all power hungry. Modding and feeling like they’re important is a coping mechanism for many of their lives.
Speak for yourself.
I got stuck with the job because it needing doing and no one else stepped up.
what they said is true for probably 95% of mods
I personally never had an interaction with any mods, but I can imagine it being much like any other position of power within any type of human interaction. But, Tbf, the job is prob a pain in the ass, and I wouldn’t want it.
yeah it’s a pain in the ass with no reward except for that slight amount of power which attracts only the mega losers to do the job
Maybe a big chunk of traffic is modded by that sort of person, but not 95% of mods as individuals. So many “smaller” subreddits are modded by people that give a damn
Yeah, that’s an issue. It’s hard to say no sometimes.
I got shadowbanned from the entire site once from pissing a mod off. I wasn’t even being combative or anything I posted a link to dispute misinformation and just said “That’s wrong though. Here is a link from the Mayo clinic explaining it” and got banned. No warning, no message, nothing. I had to make a new reddit account conpletely i couldnt upvote or comment on ANY subreddit after that. All for pissing off a mod. I hated how much power they have (had?)
It’s also just addictive. I don’t think all mods are “power hungry” in a bad sense - certainly many of them mod communities well and responsibly, but most of the ones that put in a lot of time are hooked to that community for one reason or another - either it gives them a sense of accomplishment or it’s comfortable and familiar or they just feel valued there. It’s easy to slip into that trap.
They’re gonna save her, fight the admins and marry Reddit. She don’t wanna be saved.
Some are paid by the company’s the sub represents, they might be community managers.
But most should definitely just quit. It’s a thankless abused neglected, and soon to be much more difficult, position.
I havent thought of that but yes the minecraft sub has sm mojang employees as mods i think.
Ive still to read an explanation on why the admins forced their sub to open after an overwhelming vote not too and a direct promise from reddit to respect that vote. Like… there is going downhill behavior and then there is taking a blatant public dumb on your own credibility. Reddit will survive, digg still exists. But thats the line where i feel its guaranteed to fade out at sm point in the future.
Power hungry. Having power over others is as important as blood in their veins, and oxygen to their lungs.
Last year, u/carrotcypher, a power mod of multiple privacy subreddits, spoke the quiet bits out loud. I archived it. (Just Ctrl+F his name on webpage if needed.) http://web.archive.org/web/20220501175544/https://old.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/thikeo/lets_use_lemmy_instead_of_reddit_centralization/i18h6ai/
This month, carrotcypher and fellow r/opensource moderators refused to protest and sided with Reddit admins. You can look at their comments. https://web.archive.org/web/20230608164944/old.reddit.com/r/opensource/comments/1425luc/reddits_thirdparty_app_api_changes_and_ropensource/
carrotcypher opened his trashcan mouth again few days ago, calling the protestors “too collectivist and noisy atm”. https://old.reddit.com/r/gdpr/comments/14763xl/rgdpr_will_be_unavailable_starting_june_12th_due/jnu4rno?context=3
These are the crabs of the society. Whackamole and leave them behind, if they try to pull you down.
As long as there is someone that will ignore what the CEO os doing in exchange for being able to be mod, it will not matter how many real mods leave, there will always be someone next in line to be mod.
That said, it probably will make the quality of the subs degrade over time
Also like, most of the subs I frequented had pinned posts about looking for mods for months, sometimes years. To some it could be tempting, but its still hard unpaid work, and this time with less people to front it than when the mod searches were being held.
Yes, but mods accepting this kind of behavior from Reddit are much more likely to be shitty themselves. Led them take the lead, and let reddit turn to shit as the mods actually doing moderation are gone and there are only power-tripping mods left.
As u/YaztromoX (mod of r/canning) pointed out yesterday, there are subreddits where actually dangerous misinfo gets posted, and the mod team, who are subject matter experts in the subreddit’s topic, have to remove that, or people could get seriously hurt.
There are going to be serious consequences in some communities for letting the scab mods take over.
Sounds like a reddit problem, not a volunteer problem
You’re right, the problem is that mods for these subs actually have a conscience and morals, unlike Spez.
The thoughtless buffoon in-charge of the website clearly hasn’t thought that far; he thinks everyone on the website is replaceable, modding every sub is as easy as removing some porn, and he’ll find equally qualified mods literally everywhere.
Spez likely doesn’t actually care about anyone who could end up dead because of something they found on Reddit, but he’d certainly give a shit about the legal implications.
Yup, that’s what the s cond part of my post was meant to say
I quit, I stayed on for the protests because it felt nice to work together on it, and then when the sub I was moderating decided they didn’t want to take part in the protest anymore I deleted all my posts and my account.
Probably some form of addiction. I mean, if I didn‘t have this convenient substitute, staying away from Reddit would be more of a struggle for me too.
Before i discovered kbin, I was trying to use mastodon.social, but it’s not the same. I’ve never really liked twitter and didn’t see the point of it, and I kind of feel the same way about mastodon. But I was trying to come to like it anyway. That didn’t happen. Now I have kbin, and it’s everything i want it to be.
Same, tweeting has never been my thing, but I loooooove threaded conversations. Did you see Lemmy has a phpbb skin?
What does phpbb skin mean? I’m not a programmer or anything, just curious
It’s a skin or frontend someone wrote for Lemmy. It makes it look like the message boards everyone used before social media. https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmyBB
Oh cool!
Realistically, a good portion of them could be influence peddlers, paid by states , advertising agencies or others to shape online discussion.
That makes more sense to me than both idealistic community builders or no-life narcissists, which are the two most common ways I’ve seen mods characterized.
… to shape online discussion
most of the time by squashing alternative points of view
Precisely, they are sharing it by preventing opposition to their ideas and goals
considering how many of the subs are… controlled by a relative handful of mods… lets call them ‘super mods’… chances are very solid they spend a great deal of their time modding. Which means… they probably earn money from it.
or… they walk dogs.
(edit to be clear, I’m only talking about the ones where you see ‘moderator of’ listing dozens of communities.)
They like the position of power over other users and it’s worth more to them than being treated well by the platform.
