SENKORSHIP
I wish Zuckerberg developed an interest in the titanic. He keeps ruining my hobbies!
I’m receptive to the arguments that the Fediverse should be open even to Meta, but we’ve seen this play out too many times before - you simply can’t trust a big company like Meta not to try to take over + destroy the Fediverse, when there are tremendous financial incentives to their doing so and no meaningful negative consequences if they do.
The fediverse is open to Meta. They’re welcome to do what they want. I will simply choose to not federate with and actively block every iota of content or instances they create or touch. Zuck is an ugly cancer on the internet.
Yup, you know they’ll use the good ole MS triple-E tactic: embrace, extend, and extinguish.
Which ultimately didn’t work for Microsoft, at least not anywhere near the extent that people feared.
It’s good to be wary and watchful, but let’s also not become paranoid chicken-littles. Sometimes it’s the open standards that end up “embracing” the closed shops and forcing them at least somewhat open.
extent that people feared.
You’re right, it worked even better.
Anyway, IBM is following their steps and RHEL is going down first.
Yep, RHEL is gonna sink really fast. They just really don’t know what they’re doing or don’t actually know how things work in open source.
You’re right, it worked even better.
No, it really didn’t.
The main thing people feared would be “embraced, extended, and extinguished” back in the day was open web standards. That’s what the big anti-trust suit was about, Microsoft was forcing Internet Explorer on users and giving it proprietary standards. Nowadays Internet Explorer is fully dead and Edge is Chromium-based.
People also feared that Microsoft was going to try to destroy the GPL and other copyleft licenses somehow. Now Microsoft releases many things under copyleft licenses, Dot Net’s runtime is MIT-licensed, and Microsoft runs GitHub, one of the largest repositories of open source software there is (a lot of people freaked out when that happened but I’ve yet to hear of them “extinguishing” anything).
Microsoft is far from the most open software company but it’s much more open than it was back in the day.
It didn’t work because thousands of people put in lots of work to make sure it wouldn’t work. The fear was justified, we just managed to band together and stop that.
It’s like with Y2K or the ozone layer issues. It’s not that they weren’t important, it’s that many many people put in the work to fix them before they got a point where we were fucked.
how many years of lost productivity and set backs in open web standards because of their internet explorer nonsense and you’re saying it wasn’t a successful execution of this strategy? i think they won and set back the open web by years.
one point about the mit license is that it’s not copyleft because mit license does not protect derivative works. that is why they fought so hard against gpl licensed works and even forbade the gpl3 license on codeplex. mit license is no threat because it can be incorporated into closed source products.
with github, i don’t think they are going to pull a musk or a spez, they are going to wield their influence carefully to frame the conversation and tools around open software to work in their favor as they have always tried to do. i do agree that they seem less outwardly aggressive than back in the day, though.
as far as facebook in the fediverse, they will have the ability to inflict significant, if not fatal, damage, just like ms did to open web with ie and just like google did with xmpp with gchat. that’s something worth discussing.
Im rooting for everyone to stop paying attention to bullshit billionaires say, and start paying attention to the bullshit billionaires actually do
Yeah, we were all sold on the illusion that these fucks are smarter or work harder than everyone else.
Ive met some of these fucks - inbred old money peices of shit all of them.
Wouldnt piss on a person to put out a fire, zero compassion psychopaths.
One of them literally just had his submersible implode because he was smarter than safety regulators.
Is it a bit too soon to say “good riddance”
Like it’s awful, people died, that does suck and it is a tragedy… but at the same token, consequences of your actions. If you’re dumb enough to get on an unregulated submersible controlled by an old, off brand Xbox controller and dive to more than double it’s rated depth… don’t be surprised when things go wrong and you die.
Let’s not impugn the good name of the Logitech F710. It’s a perfectly fine controller.
I love that the internet’s take on the sub thing seems to have arrived at ‘jokes are fine but leave the controller out of it’. Very on brand, I must respect it.
whoa whoa whoa… I’mma let you finish, but the controller is a fine device, and logitech has some pretty good stuff. The mindboggling thing is that they used it for A SUB.
Also, everybody is talking and forming opinions on the topic, while it’s just really just a “why would I care” type of news? When hundreds of refugees drown on a sinking ship, it’s a sidenote in a daily news feed, so it’s annoying when the media then blows up this “news” about rich people nobody heard of before.
I think part of it is the location. Off the coast of Greece? Ships pass through all the time, one’s bound to sink. Law of really large numbers.
But the Titanic? It’s both inaccessible and highly mythologised.
Sure wealth is a factor but it’s only one of many.
I mean I don’t think good riddance needs to be said anyway, all that needs to be said is dude was an idiot and got himself and others killed because of it. Being rich doesn’t innoculate you from being stupid.
I don’t think good riddance needs to be said
I mean that is it too early to say that the world is a better place without these rich fucks wasting resources?
paraphrasing Linus Torvalds: “talk is cheap, show your actions” (original: “talk is cheap, show me the code”)
What happened?
Meta the company started saying they were going to build a twitter replacement on the fediverse and some instances made a pact to block them to protect their users from Metas invasive privacy violations.
thanks!
Which is ironic given that the Fediverse’s structure is pretty much wide open.
I see it as the Paradox of Tolerance (with proprietary walled-garden makers standing in for the nazis): in order to have a free and open Fediverse, we must not tolerate those who would close it up.
Meta (parent of Facebook, instagram…etc) want to have their content to become federated and part of Lemmy and Mastodon.
Meta has been asking Mastodon and Lemmy server admins to have a “off the record” discussion panel. They told meta to fuck off.
Here’s a post about the email meta has been sending to admins and his response.
https://kbin.social/m/technology@beehaw.org/t/82022/Kev-Quirk-one-of-the-admins-of-Fosstodon-a-Mastodon
one admin told them that. some of them have actually met with Meta after signing an NDA earlier this week.
I mean, if i was an admin i would rationalize that its in your interest to listen to the enemy if they might reveal their evil plan. Even if you have to sign a contract that you can publicly talk about it. (Can always confine to a distant acquittance that is prone to start rumours)
That is true. Albeit attending a meeting doesn’t necessarily mean you’re gonna be selling your soul to Meta. Hopefully, those that do decide to attend stand up for the communities that are being built in the Fediverse.
I would personally be inclined to take the meeting to better know how to counter their efforts.
Tbh, I’d really be interested into hearing what is said in that meeting…
They made the admins sign nda’s so its unlikely we will hear anything about it
unfortunate… something ought to be leaked sometime… I mean their messing with internet culture. I hope something slips through
Fuck that NDA leak the meeting
I just read a good article about big tech is never a friend to decentralized stuff. You can find it here.
This very much parallels the Embrace, Extend, Extingush philosophy pioneered by Microsoft in relation to open source software.
Interesting read lets hope we can keep Meta and Zuck out.
This is a great read for getting some historical context.
Not only for historical context but to prevent that history from repeating itself.
Facebook joining the fediverse will be for one reason only and that will be to find a way to crush it and/or monetize.
That article needs more eyeballs on it. Maybe some funny memes to get that message out quickly
Good thinking 👍.
Someone needs to at least create a let me in meme with Meta and Fediverse.
Big tech has no problem with decentra, the one doing client monetization are on that fight. Some of them are big tech but that does not make the whole of bt accomplice of the fight.
Good read 👍.
