nah bro that’s a good thing… is it?
I’d rather be part of a smaller niche community than anything else to be fair
Commenting so I have commented in July.
Another July comment
Hi
Same here
Same
Ohai
Nice July comment. Here’s my July comment.
First post please ignore
Test post, please ignore.
You can call me your July reply guy
Roger that
July comments incoming
July
july
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July
I am also july
Is that how it works? I can’t remember if I’ve commented lately.
July?
No, I think he’s telling the truth
same, may as well make my first comment here
me too
I see what you did there
Roger, dude.
Christmas in July, happy Christmas.
Me too, thanks.
I’m a woman and child
Skill issue
More like a moral issue smh my head
I’m just a woman in love
I am also a woman and a child.
Goo goo ga ga this stroller isn’t going to push itself
My favorite kind
I’m Brian and so’s my wife
Bot purge or server issues?
People were pushing for everyone to comment at least once a day so all the lurkers were counted as active users. It’s a little bit of
The Pot Roast Principleat this point.Edit Ok, so don’t just pick the first link off Google folks. That got weird fast. Have this Less insane version instead.
Not gonna lie I lost it when the article asks, “Are your prayers like tea bags? Do you only use them when you’re in hot water??”
I read about an experiment once, where monkeys were placed in a room with a ladder leading to a reward. Whenever a monkey attempted to climb the ladder, they were sprayed with water. Over time, new monkeys replaced the original ones, and even though the water spraying ceased, the monkeys continued to prevent each other from climbing the ladder based on learned behavior. This went on and on even though none of the monkeys in the room had ever been sprayed.
I think about that a lot whenever people say they aren’t allowed do something, especially because of religion.
Last time I saw it, someone said it was fake. Here’s a source I found for that: some guy made it up for his self-help book
I’ll be darned, thanks for the correction. Now that you mention it that definitely sounds like the kind of story a self help guru would tell.
man what the hell is that article on? It starts off explaining the pot roast principle which ok that makes sense (it’s that we often do things not because of logic but simply we were taught to do so by our parents), but then it says that a message to take away from the story is that “persistence is a virtue” which I mean I guess but you’re kinda missing the point? But then in the very next sentence where it says “sometimes things we take as fact are just superstition” it goes “and we should consider prayer as a healthcare alternative” and compares listening to only medical science as like cutting the ends off a pot roast. Not like “superstitions hang around for a reason though and there’s perhaps some minor psychological value in these harmless cultural things” or “people who strongly believe in something tend to report more positively in negative times” or even god forbid “have you considered that prayer is like cutting pot roast ends?”, straight up “have you tried asking God for help? When was the last time you did that huh? Why are you treating God like a teabag that’s pretty ungrateful you dick”
I’m guessing you probably didn’t mean for that to be the message (this article is weirdly the first to pop up when you google the term) but uh, maybe you should vet your articles? Unless you’re really trying to say we should try praying for lemmy to succeed
To be honest I picked the first result on Google, half-heartedly scanned it to make sure it actually told the story about the roast and went “good enough”
I just went back to reread it and I’m kind of horrified now. Going to have to edit in a less insane link.
Thanks for the link, cool concept.
- daily comment contributing to the roastbeef end cutting
Right? I want quality, not quantity.
Most people just call that “cargo cult” where they don’t know why they do something, they just do the ritual without questioning it. Also it probably won’t lead to people looking up stuff related to putting a roast on a spit 😉
I was busy for a few days where are the trend discussions being held?
This is a pretty standard curve for a recently discovered thing. Everyone is curious what it is, tries it out then a percentage decides it isn’t for them and goes elsewhere.
I had to be pretty stubborn to get into Lemmy, never received the verification email (likely due to sudden server load) and no way to retrigger it, so had to wait until the new version came out. Apparently that removed the login block. Not to mention the filter on my account defaulting to showing no posts (needed to set language filter to include undetermined and my language), so it was kind of a rough entry.
But this number isn’t total accounts, it’s active accounts. So that means people who have logged in at least once during the last month. The accounts still exist from when people came to check it out, but if they decided it wasn’t for them or ran into issues like I did and didn’t return then they’d fall off the active user list.
New products face this curve all the time. Steady growth, discovery spike then retained user drop back to steady, hopefully accelerated, growth with a higher baseline than before.
I am also under the impression that active only counts users who commented or posted. So there is also a very significant possibility that people are just settling in and starting to lurk. It’s really the 90-9-1 principle (in a stable community, 90% lurk, 9% are occasionally active, 1% are consistently active). It would really be weirder if we didn’t see some lurkers after such a massive influx of people
Maybe it should also count users that vote?
There was a post the other day about other lemmy servers that had thousands of inactive users. The OP contacted the admins of those servers to let them know and several admins did purge a load of accounts.
I blieve you are correct. All my alts are gone
I believe this is the correct and uncontroversial explanation.
Well I would like an incorrect and controversial explanation please and thank you
People begin to realise that Lemmy is the bottom of the barrel. Constant server outages, low quality content and a community that is growing ever more toxic.
There. You wanted incorrect and controversial.
It was the fuckin beans
Are these real stats? Or just a directional commentary that Lemmy is growing? If they are real, where can we see these?
Lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world does not immediately imply credibility.
Https://the-federation.info/platform/73 it is linked to from the lemmy main page.
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Real. But no cause for concern. Lemmy experienced a massive, 20-plus-fold increase in userbase almost overnight. The small dip is most likely just the new users settling in and starting to lurk. The recent bot purges probably helped a bit in causing the dip. In any case, it would probably be weirder if we didn’t see a dip after such a massive flood of new users
Edit: also, the website to check is the-federation.info
Also: hockey-stick growth rates are unsustainable. Attempts to force it lead to toxic and extractive environments.
B-b-b-but infinite growth is always possible and sustainable! We just have to do everything we can to maximize profits!
WE GOTTA GET THOSE NUMBERS WAY UP QUICK DO SOME COCAINE AND POST ONE HOUR A DAY MORE EACH WEEK UNTIL YOU NEVER STOP. ABP, ALWAYS BE POSTING
Thank u/spez
July comment incoming!
I am fine with the place settling for a bit. It would suck if this place was as big as other sites are overnight. I want to watch this place grow over time
I, for one, am not going anywhere. ✊🏻
Yeah, my main problem so far has been finding communities actually worth following/joining/contributing to.
If suddenly tons of average people join, they won’t really find communities, they’ll deem that their analysis of Lemmy, and leave with tiny chances of a second chance. It’ll just boom and bust in it’s current state. Most people aren’t interested in starting or growing a small community.
Meanwhile, if we stay at this size for a while, communities may form/grow, and as people trickle in, they’ll grow bit by bit.
Excellent!
This looks great thank you, going to have a deep dive.
I’m interested in seeing how well these great open source apps for Lemmy scale as the user base and post/comment data grows.
The apps are already amazing and will not suffer issues of scale themselves because they run on users’ devices. The scaling issues will be in Lemmy server code and ActivityPub in general.
ActivityPub doesn’t seem very scalable IMHO. It works well if all instances are about the same size and communities are well-distributed. Right now a few servers like lemmy.world, sh.itjust.works, and lemmy.ml are much larger than others. They host most of the popular communities as well. This creates an imbalance which ActivityPub doesn’t handle well.
I think Lemmy instances should be topic based. But that’d be confusing for people coming from centralized social media who are only trying to find a reliable starting place. So I really hope we reach a point of maturity and mainstream-ness of Fediverse that people feel comfortable with smaller theme-based instances.
My main gripe with ActivityPub is that the infrastructure basically replicates 1-to-1 across subscribed instances. It means that as lemmy grows, servers will require more and more storage to keep up. For now, it’s fine since we’re under a few TB of content on the platform.
If lemmy were to be as popular as reddit, we’d reach the dozens if not hundreds of TB of storage required. Not everyone has the money to build such a homelab or rent data center servers of that caliber.
ActivityPub in it’s current state is nothing but replicated centralization, not a full decentralized protocol. We’d probably need a different database system that handles cross region clustering and sharing to scale it up.
Natural, healthy, positive growth! Not growth for growths sake
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Yes! Enough of the “I’m doing my part meme” that isn’t even real content.
It is!
Would you like to know more?
It’s not but it drives the discussion. I feel that at this point, some participation is better than no participation at all
I disagree completely, but thanks for your take.
You’re welcome
I’m doing my part
Exactly. No one likes an steroids user. Natural growth is always the way!
This man needs more upvotes!
Natural, healthy, positive upvotes! No upvotes for upvotes sake
Yes. I do not want another Reddit.
never go full reddit
As long as we have the population to stabilize the big communities and slowly fill out the niche ones as reddit drives ever downward. I think we will be ok.
I hope that the lemmy devs take this time to look at how they’re distributing users. We need a better browser for people to find what instances to join. The next Reddit exodus is going to be massive and .ml and .world aren’t ready for it.
The brain-drain has already happened on reddit and it’s only a matter of time before the good content and 3rd party development explodes here on Lemmy.
Yea and a lot of that may be bot accounts that are getting banned/being shut off.
It feels like it is.
Most communities have no posts for days. I’m constantly logged out of my instance. Voting on something fails 80% of the time…
Most communities have no posts for days.
This is on the community owners. Almost all subreddits start as spaces where one person (the creator) posts daily until the community grows.
It’s also a thing on reddit. The vast majority of subreddits created get abandoned. Only a tiny percentage go the distance to become active communities.
Simply subscribe to the active communities, or take part in making communities that you want to be active into active ones. You haven’t made a single post and you’re complaining about a lack of posts. The problem here is that you just want a slop feed rather than to be an active member of a community.
So far on lemmy all I’ve really encountered is a bunch of threads going on and on about how great lemmy is, a bunch of assholes who contradict those threads about how great lemmy is, and a shitton of bugs like the one you mentioned and more. I’ll give it a shot I guess but my experience has been pretty underwhelming so far.
IMHO, most of the performance bugs have been ironed out during the part week. Problem is that Lemmy’s new popularity is inviting DDOS attacks.
The log in and voting issues aren’t because it’s dying, they were because of scaling issues and DDOS attacks because Lemmy is now a visible / popular target.
This stuff is pretty normal for a new upstart service that is becoming popular. This feels like Reddit’s early days.
Whatever the reason it’s happening, it’s happening. And has been happening for weeks.
Even if a bad experience has a reason, a bad experience is a bad experience.
Growing pains from being popular. It will get sorted out. Same thing happened to Twitter and Reddit in its early days.
A lot of the early adopters here are millennial and gen X folks who adopted other stuff early in the past, and they have a nostalgia for the growing pains of a new platform.
That said, you may want to check back in a few weeks when a defense for the DDOS shit has been figured out.
If people decentralize and stop hopping on the biggest few instances, that’ll help a lot.
People can then just hang out on smaller instances and federate to other communities, and the load will be spread out a lot more.
My hot take is that we need people to hammer certain instances. It’s uncovering performance issues that we didn’t see previously. Stress testing is good.
Also IMHO, in the future, Lemmy World’s current size will be considered very small. 100k total users and 4000 active users per day will seem quaint.
I have had very few issues. It’s probably because I’m on a less popular instance. I don’t understand why everyone piled into one instance instead of distributing the load a bit.
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Commenting for the stats 📈
I think everyone went back to reddit after a few days. It was nice while it lasted though
Doubt
Nah. The place just feels shitty anymore, angry even. And there are too many bots now (including all the suddenly pro-Reddit shills who strangely cannot be downvoted into negative numbers).
If anyone wants that, cool. That means more for you because I’m gone.
Reddit is not as good as before
If I’m looking up how to do something with my homelab and there’s a Reddit result I’ll go in, grab a screen of the info I need and then leave. But I deleted my account and don’t browse it at all, won’t be returning
Won’t go back can’t go back
I didn’t. However, my brother, who is mister super liberal, stick it to Reddit, shame on The Man, went back after a couple of days. He’s an unsmart person.
super liberal, stick it to Reddit, shame on The Man
“stick it to/shame The Man” are certainly not values I would associate with Liberals.
I didn’t.
I know I have not. I have had some trouble commenting here, often getting an error and I haven’t had time to keep trying, but that doesn’t mean I give up. It isn’t a big deal to experience glitches. I never expected this to be perfect. It’s a work in progress.
Reddit proved we don’t matter to its admins at all. Not even a little. Who wants that?
Are you having issues on Jerboa or on the website itself? I tried out another android app called Connect today and it is much more stable. I constantly get network error and problems signing in with Jerboa
I am on Memmy for Ios. Today has been smooth. I just installed the latest update. I am unsure if my issue was the app or the website.
I wonder if the issue might be your instance. Being one of the larger ones, it might be more prone to becoming overloaded and having issues with the server, compared to if you joined a smaller (but still well-run) instance.
Possible. I’ll try a smaller one to see. Thanks!
I haven’t been back. Doubt I ever will. No point to it.
Yeah I’m not going back lol
When in doubt, zoom out!
I‘ll follow fellow Lemmings and will leave a comment from July 2023
