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Im really confused by this sentiment. Ive been using Firefox since like 2007 and I was just a teenager who didn’t know any better.
Its been working fine for 16 years now.
Damn you stuck with it during it’s trash years, too?
It wasn’t even acceptable until pretty recently, and it’s still missing a lot of QoL features that make me keep Vivaldi around (except on my Linux machines, those just run Fox cause Vivaldi isn’t available.)
Nah, for any functions I’ve missed there has been a Firefox addon so far. My fave QOL addon is Tree Style Tab
Then you want to hide the horizontal tabs bad in the top, with an extra CSS file in the Firefox folder. Instructions here
I’m not ready to de-google, as I use the suite for my business stuff (drive, docs, calendar, mail etc), maybe one day though.
How does it integrate? Can I still keep the convenience I get from Chrome for the rest of the Google tools or is it pointless to switch if I don’t switch everything else as well?
huh, this is one of the features i switched to vivaldi for. edit: just saw the original comment about vivaldi not on linux. That’s weird since I’m typing this on vivadli in linux.
You have been writing comments on this thread for 5 hours. Have you gone outside today? Make sure to drink some water as well.
Depending on which distro you’re on, Vivaldi is most certainly on Linux. I use mostly debian stuff and it works great on there.
What are you talking about? Firefox has always been very much acceptable for me. What qol features are you missing?
ive alwasy had a high end PC around so ive never had issues with it.
Personally, I stopped using Firefox when mobile became my main computing device. When I had shitty phones and mobile browsers were newer, Chrome was much more stable for me than FF. I should try to break the habit and go back to FF now that they are both structurally sound, but by now I have years of stuff saved to and remembered by Chrome. It would be a hassle to switch, and somewhat more control of a portion of my data isn’t worth the trouble to me. I’m still gonna use Instagram for professional networking and personal posting, so I’m gonna be in packaged data anyway.
All that stuff you have saved isn’t important. You won’t even miss what you saved.
That’s like not moving into a better home because you don’t want to lose what’s in your junk drawer in the kitchen.
Edit. Three downvotes with no replies? No one cares to explain thier point of view?
I perpetually want to document and keep things but learning that browsing history, tabs, bookmarks, and cookies are disposable trash that I know I truly don’t give a fuck about was enlightening. A clean slate is actually great!
Man, what you said is so true. A few years ago, when I switched from Chrome to Brave (I now use Firefox), one of my worries was losing all the “important” stuff I had saved over the years. As you said, those things weren’t important at all, I don’t even remember what they were.
For those of you who are like that: change now, you won’t regret it and if you really need to save something, just copy/paste those links into a word or any other program.
yeah having all your stuff saved in chrome would make it a hassle. sounds like a rainy day project haha
Even better idea. Wait until about 6pm, open maybe 7 beers and drink them over a four hour time frame. At 10pm, start mixing some cocktails (you can do this beforehand and just store them in the fridge), make sure you have plenty, as over the next 2 hours, you’ll need them.
Finally, at 12am, get yourself a nice spirit you enjoy, so maybe a good whisky, a good tequila, a good rum. Anything you like, and start mixing, 50ml alcohol, to about 250ml mixer is what I personally enjoy.
Once you hit 12, just get your things done. Whether it’s moving data over. Or just anything that needs to be done. Unless it involves leaving your house. As that may get messy.
This is what I always do when I know I need to get something done. And it hasn’t let me down yet.
Oh, and don’t forget your favourite music.
Don’t forget to speaker phone your ex at some point! Spice that night up baby
Mullvad Browser is perfect for privacy. Firefox is good with the extensions too. Both of them are better options when it comes to preserving your privacy.
Librewolf is also magnificent
It is the Tor Browser fot the clearnet, I would also use it for browsing eepsites woth the i2pd server
Brave is on of the few Chrome based browsers that security types will back. but still has its own issues.
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Tbh seems good enough for me, when I turn that stuff off
Can you opt out of it changing your links to their affiliates
All the crypto features are now opt in iirc
I did turn it all off and have been using it for a long time. I don’t feel like using Firefox, so it’s gotta be chromium and I didn’t like Vivaldi’s UI. So by elimination I ended up at Brave.
But it doesn’t though, not really. There are quite a few things which are still sent back as telemetry. One hell of alot better than chrome but it’s still watching you. It’s still not respecting your privacy.
There are some privacy respecting browser out there but they’re quite inconvenient to use. I haven’t found a real reasonable middle ground personally, but altering librewolf or the mulvad browser to keep you signed in has been nice enough for me
To expand:
Here’s a usefull tool: https://ffprofile.com/
Firefox based privacy browser: https://mullvad.net/en/browser
To clarify why this is important, this data can be de-anonymized where anonymized and be used for fingerprinting your internet usage. If you’re concerned about privacy this is a pretty big red flag, especially if your government is getting this information, which many have and will be able to in the future.
Fingerprinting isn’t a perfect system and can incorrectly flag innocent people. Or, if you unfortunately life in the wrong place, whether true or not being flagged as gay/trans or the wrong political party can very much harm you. Texas has asked the government for a list of trans people inside their state, which was denied, what happens when it isn’t? what happens when it’s not just trans people, and is instead your group? Caution is king.
Do you have any info on what data Firefox sends home? Have been using Firefox forever.
about:telemetry should tell you if its enabled or not and has links that go into more detail about whats collected and their policies.
This page explains a bit more about it: https://www.howtogeek.com/557929/how-to-see-and-disable-the-telemetry-data-firefox-collects-about-you/
So assuming you disable all the optional telemetry in the settings, you should be good right?
Yup, you should be good if you do that. There are some tools to create a more private profile and the librewolf/mulvad browsers do just that (while removing the code which would allow a good portion of it in the first place)
Here’s that tool: https://ffprofile.com/
Firefox based privacy browser: https://mullvad.net/en/browser
To clarify why this is important, this data can be de-anonymized where anonymized and be used for fingerprinting your internet usage. If you’re concerned about privacy this is a pretty big red flag, especially if your government is getting this information, which many have and will be able to in the future.
Fingerprinting isn’t a perfect system and can incorrectly flag innocent people.
If you unfortunately life in the wrong place, whether true or not being flagged as gay/trans or the wrong political party can very much harm you. Texas has asked the government for a list of trans people inside their state, though the request was denied for now, what happens when it isn’t? what happens when it’s not just trans people, and is instead your group? Caution is king.
Removed by mod
Or even better, a fork of Firefox which disable all that telemetry crap and bundle with uBlock Origin : LibreWolf.
but hardened firefox 😏
Shut up, you godless furry
This!
Godless furry bot: when
The new Mullvad browser is even better, and regularly maintained. But a little bit further down on the privacy end of the Spectrum and further from the useability end. Watch out for timezones, that one always gets me!
Mullvad has a browser now? Sweet! I’ve been a fan of their no nonsense approach to VPN for a while now.
Yeah it’s basically TOR browser without the TOR network. Created in direct collaboration with TOR.
LibreWolf is so clean and minimal, whenever I go back to Firefox it feels bloated in comparison.
uBlock Origin*
uBlock is the pseudo-malware that profited off of uBO’s good name.
Wow wow wow, care to explain ? This r huge news for me
The original dev handed over development to a team and left, new cunts removed his name from project and made donation links, original dev came back and made ublock origin which is now the best adblock out there.
I’ve only known ublock as ublock origin had no idea of this fiasco
I learned about this years ago and the details are a bit hazy, but you may find this warning by the developers of uBlock Origin to be relevant.
There’s also a “uBlock” extension available on Chrome that lists ublock.org as its website. From what I remember, AdBlock Plus and/or uBlock engaged in advertisement middlemanning. Essentially, they would let ads through to the end user as long as the advertisers gave them a cut and the ads weren’t deemed “intrusive.” I know ABP did this when I switched away, I’m not sure about uBlock.
uBlock Origin is a general content blocker, which puts it ahead of ad blockers anyway. You can configure it to block things like cookie popups too.
Is it as simple to use out of the box as Firefox or does it require some tinkering first?
No tinkering required, technically you could achieve the same result with regular Firefox + tinkering.
It’s as simple out of the box but with a greater focus on privacy with telemetry off and the pocket integration disabled.
Can confirm. Started using it yesterday after another comment. It’s pretty much plain FF, so works well right out of the gate. I enabled some features in the setting like Firefox sync and allow DRM media, but I’m really liking it.
I’ve found that it might not work on banking sites because of the fingerprinting protection. Be warned, if you try to use on banking sites, you may be locked out. I suggest you do all banking and stuff on a separate browser that saves cookies and tracks you.
I don’t use banking websites, I just use the app so can’t confirm. I would imagine it’ll be down to the default cookie blocking which you can edit in the settings though if it causes issues for you
My banks app is not as feature full as the website
I don’t have issue on my banking site but I’m not surprised, privacy settings tend to break some sites.
Sounds great! Thanks for the info 🙂
Vanadium on my phone.
Vanadium is a chromium based browser.
Indeed. But privacy is good. No point in using Firefox on phone since webview is chromium based.
Is there a firefox based browser like brave? And preferably without cryptobro bullshit?
I heard mullvad is looking promising but no android app (yet?)
Umm… just use firefox?
On PC and Android, you can get privacy extentions like uBlock Origin that blocks most ads and trackers. What about firefox do you not like?
On Android, I personally use Fennec, which is a fork of Firefox maintained by the same non-profit organization but without any Google-Play shennanigans.
so fennec is literally the same as firefox, but available in f droid?
Yea
Edit: Well, Google search isn’t default and Fennec probably has less trackers.
What do you mean “like brave”?
A browser not based on Firefox with cryptobro bullshit
What do you mean “like brave”?
A botnet that gives you shitcoins every so often
This is A+
Appearently brave is the most privacy focused browser. At least according to this paper from 3y ago.
I hate PDFs of papers. I want to read like this
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Not sure if you’re making a joke or if you’re just unaware about the recent news, but it’s amusing either way.
This isn’t really a “privacy concern” from a user standpoint. It isn’t user data they’re selling, it’s data they’ve scraped from websites for use in machine learning. It’s more of a legal grey area in the same way that OpenAI is being sued for their use of data in training ChatGPT.
Nothings safe anymore. Everything’s a lie.
So chromium. Brave is based on chromium.
No. There are tracking protection extensions in Brave that aren’t in base Chromium.
I don’t support Brave or Chromium but we need to be accurate about praises and criticisms of them.
The main point people need to understand is that Chromium based browsers are heavily nerfing the ability for users to use ad-blockers. This isn’t much of an issue in the case of Brave where the ad-blocking is built into the browser itself.
And personally, I would rather have some healthy privacy based competition between browsers. Having both Librewolf (Firefox) and Brave browser (chromium) lets us have options to switch between.
It also creates additional work on the advertising side in this cat and mouse game.
Brave does not aim to block all ads, only “unacceptable” ones.
What are you talking about? I use brave and haven’t seen a single ad in ages.
If I ever accidentally open the wrong browser, I can tell immediately.There is a way to “opt-in” to view ads from their own pool of ads in exchange for crypto… But that’s automatically disabled, and there’s a toggle to hide all of the crypto stuff anyway.
Does it run better than it did fifteen years ago? Because that was the reason I switched to Chrome.
Okay, okay, I get the point! I’m a total Rip Van Winkle when it comes to Firefox. I just stopped using it at one point and never looked back. However good it is now, it was just as not good in the 2000s.
A hell of a lot smoother than chrome
of course not, it hasn’t been updated for FIFTEEN YEARS and definitely didn’t even get an engine upgrade in 2017 let alone a new version half a month ago and a hotfix last week
Damn I’ve heard Android is really shitty and full of malware that haven’t been updated since 20 years ago. I don’t know why idiots still buy their shitty androids, iPhone is clearly the superior platform!
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Yes. In fact, I’d say that Firefox runs clearly better than Chrome does these days. An inversion of the past.
Significantly
I switched from Chrome to Firefox somewhat recently. The experience really isn’t any different, except Firefox doesn’t use 110% of your CPU.
I have a ton of privacy extensions which causes a few issues when creating accounts by linking to your Google account (the pop-up is blocked) or opening redirect links to apps (I think it’s only Discord that I’ve had an issue with). I don’t consider those drawbacks because the browser is doing its job. Instead, I go copy and paste the link in Chrome.
2 years ago YouTube stuttered like a motherfucker whenever I moved my mouse. Doesn’t do that anymore so yes.
Google products are intentionally slower on firefox
What about other chromium browsers?
No effect, bevause youtube uses an outdated version of Shadow DOM, which only chromium based browsers have installed. It then makes browsers like Firefox and pre chromium edge start youtube terribly.
how exactly does chrome not respect my privacy?
and i don’t just mean “because it’s google and google is an ad company”. what specifically is it sending to some internet server that firefox doesn’t? both the firefox and address bars send what you type into them to a search provider. as near as i can tell, firefox’s committment to privacy is to say “we protect your privacy” while doing all the same stuff that chrome does.
Debloated Brave
I have a vendetta against Chromium because of Valve having to cease support for older OSes. They did that because of Chromium being built into the Steam client.
Firefox is also going to stop supporting Windows 7, are you going to develop a vendetta against it too?
Older OSes are unsupported for a reason.
Brave + privacyBadger is about the best you can do. If you turn all the features on it anonymizes your plugins and screen res returns enough that you can’t be identified by a unique configuration.
It supports TOR for private browsing natively.
I don’t trust them more than Mozilla, but the do a better job at keeping my browsing habits out out the hands of my ISP and the sites I visit.
