Vladimir Putin has said that a western move to let Kyiv use longer-range weapons against targets inside Russia would mean Nato would be “at war” with Moscow.

Putin spoke as US and UK top diplomats discussed easing rules on firing western weapons into Russia, which Kyiv has been pressing for, more than two and a half years into Moscow’s offensive.

“This would in a significant way change the very nature of the conflict,” Putin told a state television reporter.

“It would mean that Nato countries, the US, European countries, are at war with Russia,” he added. “If that’s the case, then taking into account the change of nature of the conflict, we will take the appropriate decisions based on the threats that we will face.”

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  • DarkCloud@lemmy.world
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    Negotiate the full deal to return Ukrainian, and exit peaceably. Run your stories in Russia “Ukraine successfully denazified, free and fair elections to be held” - “Ukrainian forces defeated at Russian border”…

    …then go back to arresting democracy protestors, gay rights advocates, and your own alt-right talking heads… And try to keep your head on Vlad. Try to pick a successors, and a nice European country to retire to.

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      He will never be able to retire, lmao. He’s going to die in one of his bunkers to afraid of being Gaddafied.

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        Then he’ll remain a danger to the world and probably do a lot of horrible things protecting himself, which will not be a good outcome for the west.

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    NATO: staying in Ukraine would put Russia ‘at war’ with NATO.

    Considering your army can’t take Ukraine, this really a fight you want to pick?

    God, it really is the Russian religion that they’re the only strong ones and everyone else is just so spoiled and weak, as your oligarchs tell you, from their mega yachts.

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        Russian cultural paranoia.

        They cannot consider themselves safe unless they have a ‘perimeter’ around Russia.

        The thing is: that needed perimeter is always growing, eventually your country becomes part of it, ask Poland and later east Germany, Afghanistan, and eventually, your country.

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    Too late, they already used GLMRS in the Kursk region. Guess we’re “at war” now. I’d argue that’s a laughable position for him to take given Russian agents have been sabotaging European infrastructure all over the place since Feb 22. Letting Ukraine defend itself shouldn’t be controversial.

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    “It would mean that Nato countries, the US, European countries, are at war with Russia,” he added. “If that’s the case, then taking into account the change of nature of the conflict, we will take the appropriate decisions based on the threats that we will face.”

    Assuming that the implication here isn’t that the appropriate decision would be “Russia’s gonna pull out of Ukraine”, and it’s more “Russia is gonna use nuclear weapons”, I expect that it can be added to this list:

    https://united24media.com/war-in-ukraine/a-timeline-of-russias-nuclear-threats-against-the-west-947

    A Timeline of Russia’s Nuclear Threats Against the West

    I believe that that would be entry #96.

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      I’d also add that during the very first statement Putin made announcing the invasion, on February 24, 2022, he ended it with what I imagine was intended to be interpreted as a nuclear threat:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_conducting_a_special_military_operation

      “On conducting a special military operation” (Russian: О проведении специальной военной операции, romanized: O provedenii spetsialʹnoy voyennoy operatsii) was a televised broadcast by Russian president Vladimir Putin on 24 February 2022, announcing the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

      Warning against international intervention

      At the end of the address, Putin warned other countries against intervening in the conflict, saying:

      Whoever tries to interfere with us, and even more so to create threats for our country, for our people, should know that Russia’s response will be immediate and will lead you to such consequences that you have never experienced in your history. We are ready for any development of events. All necessary decisions in this regard have been made. I hope that I have been heard.[12][10][13]

      I don’t have a unified timeline of everyone’s activity, but we authorized military aid the next day, so I don’t think that the statement had a very extensive deterrent effect.

      https://www.defense.gov/Spotlights/Support-for-Ukraine/Timeline/

      Feb. 25, 2022

      U.S. Air Force Gen. Tod D. Wolters, commander, U.S. European Command and NATO’s Supreme Allied Commander Europe announces the activation of the NATO Response Force.

      The Biden administration authorizes $350 million in military assistance from Defense Department inventories.

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    Putler makes veiled threats to use nuclear weapons.

    Again. Dude isn’t really impressing anybody anymore.

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    Is that a shred of concern? Could he lose the war if longs range missiles were allowed?

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    Russians are crazy, but are they really crazy enough to self destruct completely?
    Because I’m pretty sure they must be aware that that is what they are talking about.

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    Wait a seconds. Haven’t they said that they are at war with NATO at least since the started the full invasion?

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      At this point there is no point in beliving in Putin when he talks about red lines. Apparently he would Nuke the shit out of Ukraine if they entered Russian territory but this has not happened after Kursk…

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