At that rate you might as well let NATO serve the purpose it was created for. Even tho that will.probably spark a world war.
Honestly I’m all for it; then handing the keys to Trump lmao.
Or implement a No Fly Zone and fully commit NATO forces to air defense. See Putin squirm on what to do and how to react. Makes the Putin-Trump relationship tense. Trump backing down would be seen as weak. Putin wouldn’t retaliate because he wouldn’t risk losing his puppet.
That’s rich. “Send your future down the drain while we continue to send scraps.” tho even the scraps are gonna run dry soon. Fuck biden. He could have gone down in history as a truly great leader, got everything handed to him on a silver platter, but clearly, he wishes to walk in Chamberlin’s shoes.
Honestly I’m ashamed, especially as a European, we should be doing so much more. We haven’t learned anything from the great wars… We’re experiencing a “what if Czechoslovakia fought back” scenario, we can end it right there in Ukraine. But no…
That’s rich. “Send your future down the drain while we continue to send scraps
Yep, and you have every Democratic Party chickenhawk over here in the US, in total safety, cheering for it.
Also, bring back all the Ukrainian men living as expats abroad. If you want to use your Ukrainian passport to live in another country, it’s time to earn that right. Your country needs you.
Edit: if you’re downvoting at least say why, “I’m a Russian bot” will suffice. So will, “I’m a coward.”
What a very bizarre take. “The circumstances of my birth dictate that I should die lest I be labeled a coward by an anonymous internet user calling himself ‘phoneymouse’”
Sorry to all the downvoters for actually responding to this clown, part of me really wanted him downvoted into oblivion without explanation, but I think that’s how you make incels more incely so I figured the morally right thing to do is explain.
It’s not a bizarre take. If your home country is at war and needs soldiers, and you’re meanwhile living comfortably abroad somewhere else with your home country’s passport, that strikes me as cowardly.
Zelensky has already called on such people to help.
You’re still coming from a worldview where the home country providing a passport is a privilege, not a worldview where the ability to travel freely is a fundamental human right. I find this bizarre.
If free movement is a human right, we owe nothing to our “home” aka birth country for “allowing” us to move freely. The concept of free association is also a fundamental human right, so if I don’t want to freely associate with the country I was born in, I don’t have to.
I admit I’m super surprised that the conscription age is 25.
Drafts are barbaric.
We shouldn’t accept this shit at any age in any country.
If we all just fucking stopped doing the dirty work of warmongers we would no longer have wars.
The warmonger is the one invading Ukraine.
If the russian civilans followed this rule there would be no aggressors.
Lol nvm you’re right, forcing 18 year olds to kill people against their will is totally a good guy move
Lmao you people are brainwashed psychopaths.
Russian civilians are being conscripted. As are prisoners. As are North Koreans. As are Houthis. What would your solution be, just let those armies take over Ukraine?
The solution is for everyone to reject war.
Making excuses to kill like in Ukraine is not any more just than any other excuse to kill.
If we want the US to stay in control of the world then it’s necessary to fight Russia, but it’s not necessary for amy of them to die
How exactly do you propose we get everyone to reject war?
Because Ukrainians in general didn’t want the war to begin with.
education is what makes people not fall for dumb war propaganda
The solution is for everyone to reject war.
Aw shucks, is that all it takes? How’d we overlook that?? We’ll get cracking on that right away.
In the meanwhile it makes sense for a country being invaded to do whatever it can for self preservation, especially in a defensive manner.
The Russians are at their doorstep with guns. You can’t just sit there saying “I don’t have a fight with you” and expect them to peacefully leave. They’ve already shot your neighbours. The choice is not yours. You either fight or you die.
The choice isn’t yours when there’s a draft. If it’s so noble to die defending your state (not people, state) then it should be no problem getting enough volunteers.
Forcing people to fight for their government is wrong. Maybe some are ok with surrender over risking their life, maybe some are staunch pacifists, maybe some feel their lives won’t change very much under new leadership and would prefer to live.
Sending teens into a bloodbath by force isn’t good no matter how you try to spin it. Yes the alternative might be losing, but that is their choice.
You should go fight, they’re accepting foreign volunteers. You go do what you’re asking these children to do. It’s the right thing, isn’t it?
Ok lol you go enlist then if you’re so comitted.
In fact if you support a draft we should force you to enlist against your will
I agree with you 100%.
The worst part, is that the barbaric warmongers are absolutely conscripting and coercing their population to go kill people.
Clearly, the “Z nazis” are not to be convinced to simply stop throwing their lives away for a dictator. They actively recruit and reward people who revel in murder, and celebrate them as national heroes for their schoolchildren to look up to.
So…what are the defenders to do?
I would let the people who want to fight do so.
Forcing 18 year olds to kill against their will is so insanely fucked up.
You live till 18 and then die for the glory of a leader you didn’t agree to fight for. The second they grow up they’re told to die
Somebody hasn’t paid attention to what happens in Russian Occupied Zones. They aren’t fighting for Zelensky.
They are fighting for pride and the right to control the politics in the place they live.
None of the reason has anything to do with the ethicality of forcing people to die the second they stop being children legally.
Lol let’s make you fight against your will then since you seem so eager
I’ve been to war already so you’re barking up the wrong tree.
And no, the Russians have been caught raping, murdering, and pillaging. This isn’t just some fight over who controls the region where the people never see a difference.
At 25 people actually have had chance to finish their education, maybe work a few years, experience real life outside school and be mostly formed individuals.
This is bad for attacking armys like the US and Russia, where brainwashing of teenagers makes it easier to get them to pull the trigger on defenseless people.
This is good for defending armys where people actually know what they fight for.
