YSK the original creators of the Honey extension are the ones who designed it that way from the getgo. The important thing is they are also the creators of the new Pie AdBlock extension that is being prolifically advertised on YouTube. And the Pie extension does the same damn things as the Honey extension, despite being an ad blocker.
I reckon if you’re stupid enough to click a thumbnail like that, you’re going to get scammed at some point anyway
That thumbnail is for the video exposing honey.
Precisely the thumbnail that would prevent you from getting scammed.
But… ya, that is the worst possible style of thumbnail regardless.
So, what thumbnail do you suggest? Can you post a thumbnail with your ideal design in mind?
The point of a thumbnail is to attract viewers to your video, among the sea of millions of other videos that get posted every day. How do you propose they do that?
I would generally suggest using thumbnails that don’t provoke clicking through annoyance. Anything involving heavily edited human faces, stupid expressions, text that could be inferred from the title, or the classic huge red arrows, is in my opinion either trying to appeal to children or get people annoyed enough to click to see what the video is about.
Source - have spent way, way too much time on YouTube. PS do yourself a favour and install dearrow.
YouTubers seem to experiment with thumbnails and the fact is that more people click these type of thumbnails compared to more traditional ones.
YouTube even allows A/B testing for thumbnails now so creators can know with far more certainty what style of thumbnail generates more clicks. I’ve even observed the A/B testing occuring as I’ve scrolled past a new video mentally marking it to watch later then later seen the same video with a different thumbnail
Mr Beast gets lots of views, yet it could be argued all of his content is garbage - getting views is not at all an indicator of quality.
This is true, but it doesn’t change the facts that the channels with good content, which is highly subjective, also want to maximise the viewership.
Think of it like this, there is a subset of people that will click the video based on whether the title seems interesting and don’t care about the thumbnail; these people are always going to click. Then there is a subset who need these kind of thumbnails to drive clicks to their channel.
You can go and find countless YouTubers discussing this topic and how it really does affect the metrics of the channel. Do I like these thumbnails? Not really. Do they annoy me in anyway ? Not really. I care about the content and everything else is just superficial noise.
Highlighting the influencers who are pushing this garbage is important as part of the thumbnail, and the best way to do that is to show their faces.
Lol damn… yeah those thumbnails are pretty insufferable
Unironically, I have an estension to fix them. (Replaces thumbnails with a random video frame.)
DeArrow?
That’s it. There is also clickbait remover iirc, I used before but switched for some reason I don’t remember.
That’s absurd
I am fine with them scamming influencers. I am not fine with them being paid by websites to not give the best deals
Topcashback consistently beats honey and others out (almost all competitors beat honey btw). And they pay out and have customer support. Easily thr best way to sell your personal data to a shadowy data broker
All TopCashback is doing is taking the commission and giving you some of it. They take less of a cut than other sites like Rakuten, which I guess they can do since they have fewer overheads (eg I’ve never seen a TV ad for them). I don’t think they’re selling any user data.
The permissions on their extension allows for them to read site data so they definitely could operate as a data broker. However their tos has no mention of any data sharing so you are likely correct that they just take a commission. Great site imo
I didn’t even realise they have an extension. I just use the site.
I also use CashbackMonitor.com, which lets you look up a site and see a list of all the cashback sites that support it. Sometimes, during promotions (like Black Friday), Rakuten’s cashback is temporarily higher than TopCashback’s.
What kind of rat is fine with scammers?
Scamming the scammers is fun
I’m all for scamming scammers, but I’m quite happy to give a tip to YouTubers I watch by way of e-commerce commissions.
I agree, and support many of my fav content creators directly in various ways.
I was directly replying to the comment I replied to, not calling all influences scammers lol. Though there absolutely are many
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I didn’t specifically say that lol
Your okay with a large corporation stealing from the working class? Why is that? I’m sure only a very few of the make good money.
Maybe because anyone who calls themselves “influencers” are just as bad as corporate execs, but, oftentimes, more insistent/stupid in their shilling so people hate them more.
So you hate sales people in general
I don’t think they said that. However, I am. For the most part they are my enemy.
Almost every one who has tried to sell to me yeah.
lol “influencers” are trash
well, this segment of the working class are selling obvious scams to their audience, so its a funny ironic justice. People like Linus from LTT, only stopped because he found out they are scamming him as well, not just the audience.
Yep. and he decided to let the scam keep happening to everyone else by being absolutely silencio on the subject.
I heard about this extension years ago. I wasn’t always suspicious about it, but I still never used it. I can’t say I’m surprised that it turned out to be a scam.
I’d rather pay full price honestly than support stuff like this.
I see Paypal is the owner, I assume it’ll be Enshittified on launch
Afaik honey was acquired by PayPal, they were an independent startup until then. But yeah.
Rent-seeking middlemen. This is the pinnacle of capitalism. Taking revenue while providing nothing is maximum efficiency. You can tell because it raises prices invisibly for everyone.
This is just a baby version of how credit card companies have placed a 1%-5% sales tax on the global economy. You might say “at least the CC companies provide a service”, but that tax get’s added no matter if your using a CC or not.
How does the tax get added if you don’t use a credit card?
The same price must be charged for products purchased with credit card or cash. Otherwise the card provider will withdraw their service from the retailer. So the credit card margin is added to every price.
card provider will withdraw
Dubious, as I regularly see gas stations with separate cash vs card prices. I’ve seen small businesses offer discounts for cash, too. And it’s not like visa is going to stop processing cards because walmart started offering cash prices. It’s just scare tactics. And for big companies, people who pay in cash offer bigger profit margins, so it’s not like they are incentivized to help the situation.
Actually true, but outdated. There was a massive decade long $30b legal fight that eliminated credit card network’s “anti-steering” provisions. Those were contractual terms that retailers signed that prohibited them from offering different prices for cash and card. Some retailers have responded by offering different prices, or otherwise adding a processing fee to card transactions as a result of that settlement.
And the vast majority did nothing.
Obviously it varies from business to business. Some may not want the hassle, some may see consumer sentiment against fees and not feel it’s worth the impact. Some are content to merely leave prices 3% (or more) higher.
Ultimately, very few businesses price things based on their costs…instead they price based on what they think people are willing to pay, or what the market will bear.
It’s also worth considering, at the scales of many of these businesses, accepting and handling cash is very much not a free option. If I’m a supermarket chain, I pay a card company a few percent and maintain my payment terminals and I magically get my income deposited daily directly in my preferred bank account. I’ve got some risk with stolen cards and chargebacks, but the big Chip Card and Mobile Wallet rollouts have dramatically limited my exposure to that liability.
With cash I have a substantial cost to handle, collect, count, and deposit at each location. I have concerns about counting accuracy, interval and external theft, counterfeit currency, purchasing change from my local bank (which typically has a fee assessed for businesses), etc.
In Italy it’s illegal to raise the price if you are using a credit card. The price needs to be the same no matter the payment method
Because enough people use credit cards that businesses have felt compelled to raise prices across the board to compensate.
When you get a credit card machine you sign an agreement saying something like transactions under X amount we, the credit card network company, will charge you 50c or any transactions over X amount we will charge your 1.5%.
Now as a business owner you raise prices 1.5% to cover this fee. If someone pays in cash, the extra 1.5% goes to you, if the customer pays with a card, the 1.5% goes to the card network .
Cause they can’t charge more for CC purchases so they raise the prices for everyone.
Credit card fees get baked into the general price and are averaged between all the accepted cards. Hence cash transactions and lower-fee cards (debit, credit with less benefits) end up paying more of the share of the higher-fee cards.
It’s well explained in the following video: https://youtu.be/OceYCEexDqQ
Is Camelcamelcamel okay?
Ccc is just an Amazon price tracker. IIRC their revenue is generated by clicks (the outbound hyperlinks have their Amazon affiliate identifier).
WRT to the affiliate program itself, no idea. Last I checked it still does what it says on the tin.
They’re actually providing a useful service, unlike honey just telling you that no coupons exist.
I wonder what websites think of this toolbar stealing affiliate links from people doing all the work of promoting their prices. I wonder if Honey goes even further and turns vanilla purchases into affiliate purchases, actively stealing actual money from the site. If I were NewEgg or whoever else Honey has created affiliate links with, I think I’d be banning their affiliate account right now, or throwing in some captchas so their link theft doesn’t work any more.
If Honey finds a 30% code, supplants its own 20% code and tells you it’s a 10% code, both Honey and the store save money.
This only works if the store is in cahoots with Honey and only if they have coupons floating around that people otherwise avail of and only if they want to seriously piss off the people driving actual traffic to their store by letting Honey steal their commission.
The reality is Honey is scamming everyone. Customers by hiding codes, affiliates by stealing their commission and stores by parasitically skimming affiliate payments for no work. It may be Honey has a shakedown “pay us to make coupons go away” but the reality is stores could simply not issue heavy discount coupons if they’re worried about that being an issue. Honey is required by nobody and given their parasitic & thieving nature I think they’re going to be on the end of some lawsuits.
Here’s to hoping you’re right, and that those lawsuits succeed
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No, it’s a little more complicated than that. How a video explained it was, say someone was trying to sell you a TV, you decide to buy that TV and the salesman gives you a card to let the cashier know who the salesman was to get the commission. When you’re at the checkout line, a different sales man comes up and offers to find you a coupon code to help save you money. In the process of looking, regardless of if a coupon code is found, the second salesman takes the original card the previous salesman gives you and switches it with his own unbeknownst to you or the original salesman. Then when you buy the product the second guy gets the commission.
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It’s owned by PayPal, couldn’t expect otherwise
some companies, instead of paying youtubers a lot of money to promote the product, tell them ‘we will give you some percentage of every sale we make that was advertised by you’ They do this by giving the youtuber an affiliate link. its basically the link to the product, except for that when you open it you get a cookie that says ‘[youtuber] brought me here’ What honey did, was replace those cookies with theirs, meaning they get the cut from the sale, instead of the youtuber.
with for example, NordVPN, you get 35 dollars per sale with your affiliate link. if you watched a youtube video about NordVPN and then went into the description to buy it with the YouTubers affiliate link, honey would pop up and say ‘we have no coupons for you’ if you clicked on the close button of the popup honey would replace that cookie with theirs; if you would currently buy a NordVPN subscription, the money would go to honey, instead of to the youtuber that advertised it to you (who deserve the money)
Technically isn’t telling anybody anything “stealing”? You’re transmitting a copy of the information and whoever created it gets nothing.
I just assumed it was a scam the moment I saw it. Just thought it was farming data for profit out in the open because everyone else dose that. They went above and beyond and made corpo malware.
Did Amazon kill off their smile thing yet? I don’t order enough on there to notice anymore but I always used to use it when I did
I think Amazon smile got axed in early 2023
I don’t know why they would kill off a tax ride off.
I can’t tell if you are serious.
American companies get tax breaks for charity and they all exploit the shit out of it.
True but they don’t make money with this, they still have to spend most of the money.
From your link is a great example:
To illustrate, suppose that the American Cancer Society is hosting a formal dance as a fund-raiser (the ACS is a certified charitable organization). Further suppose that the fair market value of a ticket to the dance is $75, and that the donor pays $375 to purchase a ticket. The donor may claim only a $300 deduction, because the amount contributed ($375) is reduced by the amount of the benefit that he received ($75, the fair market value of the ticket). This holds true even if the donor does not actually attend the dance.
The taxable income of the donor is reduced by $300. If the donor’s income was in the 35% income tax bracket both before and after the deduction, the donor’s tax liability (amount of taxes owed to the government) is reduced by $105.
Was it not obvious that the extension was doing that and scraping your browser data?
Scraping data yes Scraping affiliate links? No
It’s not just Honey swapping the affiliate codes. Practically all the major coupon sites do it too. That’s why they require you to click on a coupon code to reveal it. When you click, they usually reveal the coupon code in a new tab, and helpfully redirect the current tab to the store, using their affiliate link.
It’s more obvious when websites do it though, since they can’t auto-close the tab like Honey does. They also don’t automatically pop up at checkout like Honey does.
I imagine some of the other coupon extensions do the exact same thing as Honey though.
I knew Honey was sketchy, but I just assumed it made it’s money from just data harvesting everything
Yeah I always felt something was off with honey. I never downloaded it for that reason, it was just kinda too good to be real or something. Like how are they making enough money to pay all these YouTubers to promote them? Something wasn’t adding up
If you have multiple extensions installed honey always secretly steals the revenue from competitors without asking for consent. Most other extensions will ask if you want to activate cashback. Honey just disables their competitors and steals that affiliate revenue. It should be classified as malware
how are they making enough money to pay all these YouTubers to promote them? Something wasn’t adding up
- Know average amount of revenue a customer gives you over some period of time
- Figure out what percentage of that you’re willing to lose
- Get a loan
- Use that loan to pay to advertise to get customers you wouldn’t have anyways
- After the period of time (mentioned in step one) passes you’ll have a profit if everything went correctly
It’s not really a mystery.
The thing is I think it’s feasible to do this in a non gross way…it’s essentially a search engine that just looks for promo codes, matches them against brands, and then tries them in rapid succession on the checkout screen. I think they would probably need humans to resolve the many 1-off issues (could work in a crowdsource manner like adblock filters) and a central registry to keep track of which ones fail, but it’s not a hugely complex problem.
