Im bombed by leftist propaganda
They are correct, but not how they think. A big part of conservatism, even among the less fanatical, is to bury your head in the sand. I can see how peeking out for some air will seem like a flood of propaganda. Like that “final experiment” that just went down to dunk on flat earth, but for even the most mundane thing about how society works.
That’s not really true. Going to specific places for specific things is very different to putting one’s head in the sand. If you make such assumptions about your opposing tribes you’ll continue to increase social division, and that’s the core of this mess.
Edit: Calm the fuck down. This is not where the war you want will be fought, and if it happens, you won’t be depended on to make a difference until the attrition gets really, really dire.
Edit edit: Ooooooooh. I’m in Reddit. A’doi!
Unfortunately for them, saber rattling quasi dictators pushing Nazi ideologies, consorting with admitted neo Nazis, frequently spewing Nazi quotes, and doing the actual fucking Nazi salute… Kinda invades and consumes everyone’s life.
And they sure don’t want you to bring it up. I can only guess because either they themselves are Nazis, or because they don’t want to feel or admit responsibility for the human scum they vote for.
Going to specific places for specific things is very different to putting one’s head in the sand.
Going to /r/politics and panicking because its not politics I like is putting one’s head in the sand.
I don’t understand how what you said isn’t burying one’s head in the sand
The issue isn’t fucking “social division”.
It’s that one of the established American political parties went bat shit crazy and abandoned every principle they ever had in the naked pursuit of bigotry and power.
Any time you spread “both sides” bullshit, *you’re aiding a hard-right propaganda machine *
It’s that one of the established American political parties went bat shit crazy
People have been saying this about the GOP since Goldwater. The Republicans aren’t going batshit crazy. This has always been their platform. This has always been their policy. For 60 years running. The party of the Southern Strategy and the Red Scare hasn’t materially changed. It’s the Democrats (or, at least, the rank and file of the party) that has shifted from edgy white middle class GenX shitlibs to gender fluid, racially mixed, multicultural dirt poor Zoomers.
This much the Crowderverse absolutely has right. The progressive wing of the Democratic Party is breaking away from the traditional small-c conservative evangelical white nationalist roots. Biden/Harris campaigned like Bill Clinton and lost because their base no longer has a stomach for Clintonian liberalism.
Meanwhile, the Republican base isn’t changing. They’re being Based and Trad and trying to replicate all the moods of the 1950s, absent an economy powered by trillions in new post-war cheap public capital. So they’re just grasping scams, losing a bunch of money, growing increasingly economically anxious, blaming migrants/transgender tweens/Chinese TikTok dances, and doubling down on old school American fascism.
Any time you spread “both sides” bullshit, *you’re aiding a hard-right propaganda machine *
There’s no shame in recognizing a social divide that’s expanding over time. But there’s a fundamental difference between buying into right-wing hysteria about shoplifting gangs or transgender Mexican ISIS and acknowledging that your Boomer parents/grandparents are drowning in their own nostalgia while you’re moving on to greener ideological pastures.
Your perspective confuses and intrigues me
Edit: I sort of missed the first part talking shit about gen x liberals and dirt poor zoomers while also affirming that the republicans aren’t changing ^(Citation needed) and “based”. The nuance there is just a thin veil for hate speech.
It requires a second or third reading to catch on this, but it is surely a bad take
the post of the previous commenter was nuanced.
usually it is a good thing, but since the far-right is blatantly nazi, there are some risk with “nuance”
overall, the previous comment seems to be analyzing how this divide is happening.
my only complaint is that the comment doesn’t make clear who are the fuckers who are driving the social divide (spoilers: the right who is nostalgic about the post-war period and want to create a “new” post war period by, well, going full nazi)
Weevil has some hot takes but I don’t really disagree with this one. You could rephrase it as “times are changing and conservatives don’t want to change” and no one would deny it.
Agreed about who’s creating those wedge issues as well but I’ll even get conspiratorial and blame shadowy right-wing think tanks.
Visiting my family members that are conservative and their friends tell me their head is in the sand. After so long under, any dose of reality is too high for them.
Funny, that’s exactly the inverse of how I feel anytime I check in on Reddit, but I was subscribed to a lot of conspiracy subreddits.
They didn’t used to be like that 😢
r/thedonald really was a plague.
Why you think we are here! I should have made the move much earlier.
Oh they would get shit on so hard kinda would be nice to see
I’ve been thinking how to avoid running into other seedy characters like those spouting now other foreign propaganda like of China and Russia. I can’t imagine I will ever get away from them, but how to minimise it. In the old days I used IRC where communities were very small, or forums where we were all into some niche and we stayed away from that. But now you cannot escape this shit. One possibility I thought is just to avoid big servers like world and keep to more local instances.
Downvote and block, repeat as long as it takes. Eventually, the amount of shit takes will be limited, especially if you minimise the use of /all/.
Nah, they’ll probably flee to one of those alt-right dollar store reddit replacements that popped up a few years ago. Assuming they are still in operation.
Picture of text. Much mad.
I know the de facto attitude in the fediverse is to slag off Reddit, but I worry that they have a target on their back now. They are one of the last few big places online for Americans where left leaning and progressive thought predominates. It won’t surprise me if Ketamine Nazi/Trump and the MAGA crowd make them a public enemy soon.
Good, then they’ll come here. Only thing this place is missing is users.
I wouldn’t even say that. Lemmy feels pretty alive imho. But I guess if the rest of the sane reddit users come here, I would welcome them.
Actually I‘m pretty stoked for every antisocial media to become a fascist hellhole since its much easier to get them banned outright by the eu that way. ;)
Better interaction here, but lots of posts with 0 comments
Which I dont mind either. Thats how natural communication works. Not everything is interesting or worth discussing.
But I get it. Everybody likes different things. Thanks for mentioning it.
deleted by creator
Just look at how many people are defending or downplaying the elon salute. I’m shocked, after only seeing a few ‘conservative’ types a month for the entire lemmy life I’ve had.
Just hit em with one of these, and maybe a report for good measure if they earned it
I was the one to downplay the salute.
Then I saw Elon not doing anything about it, and if he doesn’t give a damn so hard then it is bad enough as it is.
Swasti-car manufacturer he is.
I think stormfront registration is still open.
PSA: IF THE TROLLS DO MIGRATE HERE, DO NOT FEED THEM. BLOCK AND REPORT IF THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN HAVING A PRODUCTIVE, CIVIL CONVERSATION.
I’m not interested in having a civil conversation with fascists either
Unless they come out the gate swinging, please be careful. I don’t know about you, but I want to get as many people as possible on board with combating the far right.
Attacking somebody who is legitimately trying to learn will only entrench them deeper in their prior beliefs. It might take a few sentences to find out if they are being genuine, but if you can change their perspective, it is worth it.
legitimately trying to learn
Legitimately trying to learn is the vaccine against fascism. I’m not sure there’s a cure.
There is only the one cure that we’ve found so far…
You basically can’t teach conservatives. If they were capable of learning and changing they wouldn’t be conservatives in the first place. Consider that the majority of self avowed conservatives in the US literally believe the world is less than 10,000 years old created as is and jeebus is coming back real soon now. Literally 30% of the US population believes this!
White supremacy and the flat earth are actually gaining ground in this group.
With the coming govt. actions starting to more directly and visibly affect people’s lives, it will probably wake up (lol) at least a few people. Assuming they are all evil will harm us more than help us. At the end of the day, we are all human. We need all the help we can get and if they are offering, it would be rude to dismiss them.
People do wake up from cults. It takes a lot of work on themselves to reach that point, however, and the most transformative moments (i.e. any epiphanies about their behavior or beliefs) will likely happen when they’re alone, outside of the public sphere.
That is to say, you’re unlikely to personally witness somebody break out of a cult. Yet, it still happens.
Does that make it worth helping them “see the light”? I can’t say. What I can say is that there are people who’ve been there, and there are resources available to help those in cult recovery. (Make no mistake, this is absolutely a cult.)
The best hope we’ve got right now is that as more things turn to shit, more people will begin to question things. Instead of reflexively downvoting or attacking someone who admits to having once voted for Trump, we’ve got to listen to what they say happened afterward. I want to hear people share their stories of disenchantment. I want those stories to be spread far and wide, to people who might be questioning Trumpism but who’re surrounded by his supporters and scared to make a move. They’re the people who need to know that it’s okay to change their minds. They’re going to need to know that they’ll be accepted by someone if they “deflect,” and we need to be prepared to welcome them to sanity.
We shouldn’t respond with comments like, “iT’s aBouT tiMe” or “Where have you BEEN the last 8 years?” (Both are paraphrased from comments I read elsewhere on here this morning.) I know it’s tempting to give out some sort of I told you so, but it’s not constructive and can push an ex-cult member away. We want people to turn a new leaf, and that means supporting those who admit to having been wrong.
(I know this took a turn from the original comment. I don’t intend this personally for you, OP. But after seeing how people react so aggressively to everything lately, I felt something like this needed to be said to Lemmy.)
We couldn’t defeat the Nazis or the Confederates with dialogue. They are not going to even let us vote them out no matter how badly they do.
Yes, I agree. At no point did I ever propose such a dialogue. I’m talking about supporting those that already chose to leave.
And that’s not even getting to climate change denial.
These people are incapable of critical thought.
I ask you to also be careful!
you don’t need to feed the trolls to help them see the light.
Treat it like an authoritative (but not authoritarian) parent:
You don’t let the kid do whatever inappropriate shit (that is a neglecting parent style), but you do state firmly the rules and give the consequence (authoritative) without making them fear you through spanking or other kinds of abuse (authoritarian).
I agree we should not be authoritarian.
But we should also not be neglectful!
Specific example:
If someone comes saying that trump did a roman salute, the authoritative answer is: “The nazi salute is a roman salute and both are used to promote fascism (link to wikipedia)”.
Simply and blunt, yet “non-judgemental” answer
Now if they reply saying shit like how they are actually different, then just call their bullshit off by saying things like: “I see no reason for someone to defend a roman or nazi salute unless that someone is a nazi. I really hope you aren’t a nazi, but if you are, know that you’re in the wrong. Period.”
Then stop any sort of further replies and start reporting if they keep harping on this (it would be similar to the time out that parents do to younger child).
getting spammed with Bluesky
This is such a weird sentiment. As though links to any information outside the walled garden is inherently worthless.
every subreddit has been astroturfed to the extreme
Hi, hello, yes. Welcome to the year 2016.
They equate bluesky with leftists because its where most peopme went when twitter got too racist, and because now a lot of subreddits have banned links to twitter altogether.
Generally (reddit) cons don’t even want stuff from outside their own sub, so it makes sense why they’d hate any bluesky links
They’re already here, so much Nazi apologia has appeared all of a sudden.
Yeah, I have seen a few “Roman salute… throwing his heart… autistic… etc” people in the threads about Edolf Muskler’s salute.
Also seen plenty centrist democrats blame protest voters as if that had more of an effect than the democrats bending over for republicans.
Glad I am not the only one to have noticed.
Why are blue sky links bad?
Because they are all libtards in that posters mind
Because Bluesky blocks hate speech and Nazis. Sure Conservatives say they’re blocking “conservative ideas” but as soon as you ask which ideas specifically they throw a tantrum.
Interesting, I thought blue sky is supposed to be decentralized, is that not the case?
Definitely not.
In theory it is supposed to be, at the moment it is not possible. Bluesky uses the AT Protocol, vs Mastodon/Lemmy that use the ActivityPub Protocol. Unlike Mastodon/Lemmy, there are no open source AT Protocol servers, and there are no clients except for the Bluesky app, which only talks to the closed source servers. Additionally I think the AT Protocol doesn’t define enough so things like Authentication require something homebrew and possibly incompatible.
Also, because of all of this, there is at the moment no concept of federation on Bluesky.
Now, that isn’t to say that someday this will change, but currently Bluesky is just as centralized as every other service.
Idc if they come here. I won’t see them.
