False claims suggesting that the BBC has been misreporting temperatures in southern Europe have been spreading on social media.
A clip of Neil Oliver, a GB News presenter, accusing the BBC “and others” of “driving fear” by using “supposedly terrifying temperatures”, has been viewed more than two million times.
For the past few weeks, an intense heatwave has been sweeping through parts of southern Europe and north Africa, with extensive wildfires breaking out in Greece, Italy and Algeria - leading to more than 40 deaths.
Speaking about the fires on Rhodes on GB News on Monday, Mr Oliver accused the BBC, and other broadcasters, of trying to “make people terrified of the weather”.
All these dumb fucks have to do is actually go outside to prove themselves wrong.
I’ve watched flat earthers conduct foolproof experiments to prove the earth is flat, then come up with excuses when their experiment fails.
The heat is caused by Jewish space lasers or something.
All the wokies are woking it up causes it to get hotter
Mother fucker…I KNEW IT!
Should just send them to space. So they can see for themselves or just to get rid of them, take your pick.
It’s been unseasonably wet and cool in the UK so that’s probably part of why they believe it.
Here in parts of the south USA it’s been a normal summer, getting adequate rain and temps not hitting 100+ like last year as well. So I can see some of the skepticism but the world is fucking huge…If I drive one hour further north or south…the weather has changed…
I can tell you that here in AZ… We’re normal right now. Earlier in the Summer is was SUPER mild. And more wet than normal.
No where near “worst”. I remember a few years back hitting 118 and back in the mid 2000’s hitting 122… This year has been great… We’re already hitting monsoon time, where the humidity kicks the temp down a bit. Then september rolls around and it’ll cool down again.
I’m in SoCal, very mild summer. But I talk to by best friend from HS who lives in Phoenix, and it’s a different story.
I live in Phx area. It’s been stupid mild this year?
Yeah… And?
I can write all sorts of garbage stuff on a blog. It’s not hard to claim that “OH GOD IT’S OVER 110 THAT’S HOT”… when the AVERAGE high for basically the whole month of July is 106.8 degrees.
Look at the actual history data. https://www.wunderground.com/history/daily/us/az/phoenix/KPHX
May has been below average… June below average. This July has been a bit warmer than average.
That link shows the temperature today is 10 degrees over average. That’s hot. It’s a weird flex to try to claim 115 isn’t hot. Are you a lizard?
Yeah 110 is warm for phx not hot. When I was a kid Tucson would easily get into the 112-117 range often. Phoenix was always hotter by a few degrees.
Mr Oliver accused the BBC, and other broadcasters, of trying to “make people terrified of the weather”.
As we should be. These changes on our planet will be the end of us.
I think we need to get used to a new “life law” that has arisen as a fruit of echo chambers, too much information (regardless of its veracity) and modern recommendation algorithms: “For every important global event, there will be a small portion of deniers.”
Besides education at early ages, I don’t see a way this trend can be stopped. “Denying” will mutate across different topics (chem-trails, vaccines, the shape of the earth). I’m starting to perceive it like the flu, a seasonal disease with no permanent cure which we just take for granted. When you do your new years resolution/planning you should remember to subtract 2 weeks from your time because certainly you will be ill, it’s a constant. My head has grown accustomed to expecting this constant flux of fake-information-toxicity to appear in “obvious universal problems”
Is it new? Weren’t there moon landing deniers and JFK conspiracy people and Truthers within a year, long before the modern Internet algorithm nonsense.
What’s new is that they didn’t have a great way of banding together. The village idiots were shunned, or had small groups that wiser people just rolled their eyes at.
Now they’re bigger and more organized, to the point that the size / availability of their crazy ideas seems to lend credibility for many.
And that money is being poured in to weaponize their chaos and hate.
What’s new is that they didn’t have a great way of banding together.
1850s https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_Nothing
The village idiots were shunned, or had small groups that wiser people just rolled their eyes at.
I see. So when exactly was this time period where the wisest men ruled us?
Now they’re bigger and more organized, to the point that the size / availability of their crazy ideas seems to lend credibility for many.
Thousands of years https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organized_religion
And that money is being poured in to weaponize their chaos and hate.
Weird. The complaints I’ve seen myself are about how they change the colour pallet for the weather maps compared to several years ago, so the same temperatures that used to be displayed in greens are now being displayed in reds.
How does anyone maintain even a shred of hope in the face of this rampant bullshittery?
About half of my job is dealing with infrastructure so I fight the second order effects of this every day. That gives me hope, that I am delaying the unavoidable disaster ever so slightly every day. Maybe if I work really hard I can buy the human race a single second.
Also I started a guerrilla gardening group and committing myself to planting on average 3 new plants a day.
Boomers gonna boomer ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
At the end of the day, they’re again the ones that are going to suffer the most with the higher temperatures, it’s kind of like karma really.
No they won’t, they’re going to live fast, die old and leave an absolute ton of healthcare cost for their descendents.
If there’s one thing boomers made it clear this decade, it’s that they’re not going quietly.
They need to be called the ‘me’ generation again due to some of their selfish, short sighted acts.
I think they want to be called the “Last” generation, they seem to hate everything that isn’t them.
we’re gonna get old too lol
Jokes on you, I don’t plan on getting old! 🤪
/s
I reject your reality, and choose to substitute my own. I’m going to remain 36 forever… Please…? 🥺
That depends on a bunch of things.
This came out 2 days ago:
Koonin finds that daily record high temperatures have not increased over the past 100 years and daily record lows have become less common. This is directly at variance with media headlines.
Although wildfires made headlines this summer, global areas burned by wildfires have shown a downward, rather than an upward, trend. Tornado activity in the United States has declined since 1970.
The media covers climate change as though doomsday is approaching. Bad news sells, and well-funded organizations support the crisis message.
The conservative intellectuals are dedicated to destroying the planet for money. And, with conservative politicians, they have a whole platform for it, Project 2025.
I know it’s not much to look forward to, but I’m going to enjoy some schadenfreude when conservatives are dying from the same shit that’s killing all of us and they can’t even process what’s happening to them.
Like they did with covid?
Exactly like that.
I have to admit that Trump nearly dying from Covid was pretty hilarious at the time.
Please link to an archived version of their page or you’re boosting them on Google
Honestly, that’s not a bad thing, imho. If old people come across their “social security/Medicare need to go!” articles, that would benefit all of us.
Fuck the heritage foundation
New York University professor Steven Koonin has presented data
Who is also the chief scientist for BP. Just so we’ve got that out there.
in his bestselling book, “Unsettled,” to show that the science is not as settled as many politicians would have us believe.
Which many scientist have indicated is just being contrarian to seek more books and the arguments within the book are easily debunked.
Koonin is a respected academic physicist
Yeah in physics he knows his stuff.
Koonin finds that daily record high temperatures have not increased over the past 100 years and daily record lows have become less common. This is directly at variance with media headlines.
Yes, because his dataset is from the 1990s. There’s zero reason to think any conclusion he has is in step with modern data. His modeling method even pre-date the 90s. Everything he has used to provide argument is not via a method that is modern. His data is right just that is using methods no one uses because it’s wildly inaccurate. So right in this case just means he’s consistently inaccurate. Everyone please refer to your seventh grade science class on the difference between accuracy and consistency.
The media covers climate change as though doomsday is approaching. Bad news sells, and well-funded organizations support the crisis message.
The irony of this statement while completely missing the notion that someone can just say a lot of opposite things to sell a book is… Interesting.
Even if rising “greenhouse gas” emissions were affecting the climate, actions by the United States will not be helpful in the absence of changes by China and India, the world’s biggest emitters of greenhouse gases.
Yes. Let’s not do something because China isn’t doing it. That’s fine argument. You know China isn’t doing human rights so I guess we can nix that here too.
If the United States were to get rid of all fossil fuel emissions, this would only reduce global temperatures by 0.2 degrees Celsius by 2100.
Just FYI, 0.2 is equal to 2,100 Tsar Bombas going off at once. That’s the largest nuclear device ever created by humans. Decreasing 0.2 is like not blowing that many nuclear bombs. 0.2 is super significant. This is what happens when you have some mid-sixty year old economist talking science.
The EPA’s proposed tailpipe and power plant regulations will reduce economic growth by raising energy prices.
Lady, I don’t know if you’ve had a change to exit your private jet, but fuel cost are going up, no matter what. Everyone was like “if you increase minimum wage food prices will go up!” And then we didn’t increase minimum wage and prices still went up. I’m just going say, I don’t think it really fucking matters what we do or don’t do at this point, prices are going up no matter what. I used to buy eggs for fifty-nine cents way back. What happen? I didn’t get any nice shit or saving the planet and eggs are $4, what happened?
Raising the cost of energy at any time is poor economic policy, but especially when economic growth is slow. U.S. annualized gross domestic product growth was 2% in the first quarter of 2023, with data for the second quarter expected on Thursday. It’s summer, but now is not the time for Democrats to use the excuse of climate change to slow the economy further with more regulations.
Well the cost of energy is going up anyway, so it doesn’t matter. And economic growth is slow, because for the last fifteen years its been at breakneck pace. So maybe look a bit more than just a single year for your data points. And also, y’all just hate regulation, that’s what it boils down to. But every time regulations get removed, “Oh no! The Housing Market crashed! The econmy is getting tanked!” There’s just been no demostrated self-restraint so, yeah, nah, I don’t trust you mfers. I think you all need more regulation.
Also, the econmy is going be in more pain later than now if we can’t fucking grow food. I know, none of that is your 65 year old ass’ problem, but I mean people who are 12 right now, might want to eat when they get to their 50s. I know, you’ll be dead and all, so it won’t matter to you, but it kinda of matters to them. So I mean, pardon if we all take your perspective with a nonexistent grain of salt.
Except it’s the Heritage Foundation, which is been manufacturing this bullshit for decades to lawmakers who are currently 70+ years old and wouldn’t know the difference between a telephone operator and a Google search operator if you asked them.
It’s hard to overstate how big 0.2 degrees is, for a single countrys change.
That’s 10% of the total expected climate change (assuming we held it to 2°)
So we’ve actually gotten to the point where these idiots will argue whether or not it’s hot outside. I knew people could be stupid/crazy, I just didn’t realize how many of them there are.
There’s one in this thread right now
- Argue that it’s not hot outside
- Go outside in 120F weather
- Die
- Darwinism
Conservative: But I thought my ability to swallow bullshit was going to be a superpower, not a death trap.
When someone argues it’s not hot outside in southern Europe and then goes out in Britain, there’s no darwinism at play, I’m affraid.
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They’re the ones that’re breeding the most right now.
Idiocracy was a documentary!
Giving every moron the ability to broadcast to the whole world, turned out to be a really bad idea.
It has been cold and wet in the UK all month so unfortunately a lot of people will believe this
In Spain it has been far cooler this summer than last, at least so far.
Seen quite literally during the pandemic.
Yep, with the future in store for the earth the pandemic was basically a social test and the results weren’t promising.
I look at the bright side. Many idiots won the Darwin award during the pandemic.
The problem with these new idiots is that they won’t get to experience their idiocy because they live in a place that’s not affected yet.
Absolutely, now these fools can Darwin award the whole planet! For a couple of people to be really rich!
Nah. Earth will be fine. We and any species that won’t adapt to the shit we did, not so much.
The problem with these new idiots is that they won’t get to experience their idiocy because they live in a place that’s not affected yet.
Or a place that is getting affected, but not in a way that looks like what they think global warming means.
More intense storms and more extreme weather of all types are still symptoms of the same problem, even if a local area isn’t hotter today than last summer.
Not enough won that award to make a big difference or convince those that believe dumb shit otherwise.
I know people who literally came close to being dead from COVID who still have a lot of stupid ass opinions about the pandemic. Hell, my FIL suffered permanent lung damage to the point that he can’t handle being at high elevations for very long. He struggles to breathe with any physical exertion whatsoever. Still a skeptic. Some people just kind of go all “sunk cost falacy” on their own idiocy.
The pandemic officially retired the phrase “avoid it like the plague” for at least a third of the USA population.
If these people were on fire and their talking heads told them they weren’t they would say they weren’t.
Meanwhile in some places there were temperatures statistically impossible to reach…
My brother in christ, just go out.
What do you mean?
The commenter you’re replying to is using a common English colloquialism: “go out.” In this particular construction, “go out” is short for “go outside,” which generally refers to the act of transporting one’s physical body (assumed to currently exist inside a structure, underground, or somehow contained within some sort of boundary) to a location that could be considered exterior to their present location.
In the context of the thread, the commenter is inviting those making claims about the air temperature to experience it for themselves by exiting their current containment units and exposing their sensory organs to the actual air temperature of the external world, thus providing the counterpoint to their proposition.
For the beginning of the sentence, please see:
Are these trolls literally living in their parents’ basements? Like not going outside to notice it is, indeed, hot?
In the UK right now it’s actually cold for July. Overnights going as low as 7-9c in the south and day time max between 16c and 22c. So it might explain it.
So, yeah that’s not the case that they could go outside and see for themselves. Yeah it’s still a stupid conspiracy theory. But, there’s no heatwave in the UK right now.
Its been weirdly very humid though even for the UK. Its cold if you sit still but the moment you get off your ass and do something you start sweating like a pig.
I mean… As indicated by the news it’s a Southern Europe heat wave.
The UK are absolutely not located in the so it h.
But the deniers mentioned in the article are in the UK, hence the relevance
Deny, deny, deny. Now climate change deniers are doing that even to observable, recordable phenomena, just to avoid the truth of what is happening. This is what’s stopping progress towards saving our children’s future.
Not just observable, but directly observable by our own senses.
Don’t look up
It hurts me that this one turned out to be a farsighted documentation.
I remember being angry at people saying it was “too on the nose.”
There is something to be said about subtlety in story-telling. When writers tell their message with a sledgehammer, it comes off as unrealistic.
It was meant to be a spoof in that it was so on the nose was it not? I enjoyed it with that lense
Except in this case it was less a sledgehammer and more a mirror.
It’s funny, isn’t it? It’s so “on the nose” and yet perfectly reflects reality.
“Difference between fiction and reality is that fiction has to be believable…” and all that
“I’m inadvertently in this movie and I don’t like it”
The worst was the people who insisted it wasn’t funny enough. I thought it was pretty funny, but was that really the point?
A few goal post moves later: “it’s the liberals that caused this!”
Don’t worry, next year (assuming it’s not another el ninio) they’ll accept this years temps and use it as proof that the climate change is fake since “it’s colder than last year”.
We haven’t even begun to see the impact of this year’s el nino event, yet… https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/20/us/2024-hotter-than-2023-el-nino-nasa-climate/index.html
“It’s really only just emerged, and so what we’re seeing is not really due to that El Niño,” Schmidt told reporters. “What we’re seeing is the overall warmth pretty much everywhere – particularly in the oceans. … The reason why we think that’s going to continue is because we continue to put greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. Until we stop doing that, temperatures will keep on rising.”
…
“We anticipate that 2024 is going to be an even warmer year because we’re going to be starting off with that El Niño event,” Schmidt said. “That will peak towards the end of this year, and how big that is is going to have a big impact on the following year’s statistics.”I thought El Nino & El Nina were cyclic & lasted several years each?
Yes
Cycle times can vary from months to years.
La niña
well, the millions who live there and the millions upon millions with heat waves all over the world aren’t fooled. almost no one denies climate issues now, other than people paid to do so, and soon even they will be forced to stop. too busy dealing with climate fallout they themselves experience.
