Not hating on open source, just let people use what fits their expectations and needs and stop deterring them with gatekeeping :P

UX = user experience

    • UnverifiedAPK@lemmy.ml
      2·
      1 year ago

      It’s important, especially in the early days of Lemmy that we set good groundwork for the infrastructure we’re going to use for the next 10 years or so.

      • hydrospanner@lemmy.world
        3·
        1 year ago

        By it’s nature, it certainly seems like there will be a wide variety of apps for accessing Lemmy.

        I’m far more concerned about if Lemmy will be a thing for the next 5…let alone 10 years, than making sure everyone decides on the app I feel is the right one.

    • nik282000@lemmy.ml
      1·
      1 year ago

      Most people don’t even think about software, they will happily use whatever came on their device by default. The next time you buy a new phone or laptop and it is crammed full of trash software it is because people DO NOT think about software choices at all.

    • Koketsune@lemmy.ml
      2·
      1 year ago

      Same tbh this weird hive mind mentality thing I was happy to leave behind on reddit only to come to pretty much the same thing with a different coat of paint.

    • imAadesh@lemmy.ml
      31·
      1 year ago

      I had cancer 5 years ago mate. Proprietary software is okay if you enjoy using it.

    • settoloki@lemmy.one
      53·
      1 year ago

      Personally I think it’s people like you that dictate how others should act and tell them what they’re allowed to enjoy to be the cancer. There’s a reason the world hates dictators.

      • stappern@lemmy.one
        34·
        1 year ago

        that dictate how others should act

        he has done NOTHING of the sort though… he expressed his own opinion about something. everybody is free to use them anyway…

        weird take.

        proprietary software literally infringes on YOUR freedom. i think you better be upset about that instead of the opinion of a random lemmy

  • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techEnglish
    682·
    1 year ago

    This one dude has made this app for years and constantly updates it, fixes things, is responsive, and makes a great app. He’s now been more loyal to his users longer than Reddit has, and I personally have used his app daily for 13 years.

    Yeah, I’ll happily pay for it.

    FOSS is great but it doesn’t pay the rent people, this guy is doing this mostly as his main gig. This isn’t some huge corpo, it’s one guy who makes his living building the app he loves. I’m sure he’d love to make it FOSS if he didn’t have to pay bills on anything.

    • kamenoko@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      143·
      1 year ago

      Upvoted via Sync lol. FOSS is great, FOSS is irreplaceable, but for independent programmers FOSS doesn’t pay the rent.

    • sabreW4K3@lemmy.tfEnglish
      313·
      1 year ago

      FOSS can pay the rent. But the users that will complain about £20 for a lifetime of ad removal, definitely aren’t going to be the ones that help him should the bank come calling about late mortgage payments.

      • Zeeroover@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        813·
        1 year ago

        Lemmy doesn’t have ads. If you have to pay to remove them don’t you think something is wrong with that? Why not pay for the community and useful features instead?

        • Zetaphor@zemmy.ccEnglish
          62·
          1 year ago

          You’re not paying to remove ads from Lemmy. You can continue using Lemmy ad-free on mobile via the mobile site or any of the other PWA’s or native apps. What you’re paying to remove ads from is Sync. The developer has decided that they need to be compensated to sustain the amount of effort developing and maintaining the app requires. If you don’t want to pay that price with cash or your eyeballs then don’t use it.

          Nobody is forcing you to use Sync, nobody is forcing you to see ads. The beauty of a platform like Lemmy is you have the choice to use whatever client you want. That doesn’t mean you’re entitled to any of them.

        • unscholarly_source@lemmy.world
          52·
          1 year ago

          Nope, because I don’t have an issue with paying for something that I like and enjoy. Don’t like to pay? Nobody is forcing you to. Stop lambasting others for their choice.

        • AggressivelyPassive@feddit.de
          181·
          1 year ago

          The ads finance the app, I think that’s perfectly fine (in principle).

          I asked the dev a few weeks ago, this app is literally his livelihood. And he has a pretty good track record of delivering good software. Why not support him?

          • Zeeroover@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            916·
            1 year ago

            If you think more ads is the solution that’s good for you. Ads are society’s cancer, so I have little choice other than to block it. (Paying to get rid of ads perpetuates the idea that ads are profitable. That’s up to you.)

            • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techEnglish
              151·
              1 year ago

              So the three options for him to keep developing that we know of are 1) Ads 2) Pay for a license or 3) Fundraising. He offers 1 and 2, and 3 is well known to not work, seriously nobody donates. Check out npm fund and how so little people used it that they just removed it.

              If your only argument is “I deserve things that took a lot of time and effort for free” then you aren’t getting much sympathy from me.

        • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techEnglish
          5·
          1 year ago

          So for one he’s adding an option to fund your instance as well, but also just because it’s an app doesn’t mean that it also doesn’t require money.

          Your argument doesn’t come off as “so both should be free” but to me more like “oh yeah I’m surprised Lemmy doesn’t have an ad option”

          • eco@lemm.ee
            12·
            1 year ago

            Where did you read that he was adding something to fund instances?

          • Zeeroover@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            39·
            1 year ago

            I’ve been on open source since the early 90s. I know damn well how people make money off of it and who makes money off of it.

            I support none of it if it starts including tracking and ads. It goes against the whole mindset. Google fanboys love it though.

            • Zalack@startrek.website
              51·
              1 year ago

              That’s why there is an option to disable ads… Everyone wins unless they think this person’s work should be distributed for free.

            • Stumblinbear@pawb.social
              41·
              1 year ago

              Then pay to remove the ads. Someone has to pay at some point and it’s either you or the guy already spending his time to make the app.

      • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techEnglish
        362·
        1 year ago

        This is the same crap I left /r/Linux for way back in the day, so so so many people who are all “Linux is the best way and you’re stupid for even considering windows or mac” but unable to see realities. Yes, of course I love linux and FOSS, I use it as my primary driver, but we live in a society where free work doesn’t pay for housing.

        You’re exactly right, most of the “FOSS Open Source supreme” people will look at an app that was lovingly crafted for months, call it garbage, and then demand they make it free. I just can’t even with them.

        Meanwhile I’d love to see the stats on how many hours a week they put into FOSS apps on their own, and if they’ve given up their jobs to code for FOSS apps for the good of the community.

        I’m a developer. I code mostly proprietary stuff for my company. I’d gladly go code for FOSS projects, but so far my bank is just completely unwilling to cancel my mortgage payments, and my electricity, water, sewer, internet, they all want to be paid too, so unfortunately I’m stuck doing this.

        • Melkor@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
          314·
          1 year ago

          I think the issue a lot of folks have is people like yourself always connecting it back to profit/salary. A large portion of us are interested in Linux/technology/foss for personal reasons and this corporate stuff not only reeks but makes enough noise to drown out better long term solutions. Yes I do it professionally too and yes I fight the good fight but we do what we need to do, this dude does not need to do this. UX really just isn’t important when we’re talking about expanding human capabilities, or I should say UX is important but pretty things aren’t. My opinion anyway but I was raised to care about this stuff by one of those wizard beards so to see your attitude is prevalent just sucks, no disrespect and nothing personal.

          • unscholarly_source@lemmy.world
            7·
            1 year ago

            I’m all for FOSS (currently working at a company that contributes heavily to FOSS) and am a huge supporter/contributor of FOSS, but the level of entitlement and superiority complex that I’ve seen from many in the FOSS community (including yours) is highly unappealing, and at times frankly revolting. That’s what truly reeks and stains FOSS.

            • Melkor@lemmy.sdf.org
              12·
              1 year ago

              Entitlement? They’ve taken everything from us, not just software either, have some empathy. All proprietary solutions will die, we have a right to build for the future and we have a right to educate about it.

              • unscholarly_source@lemmy.world
                1·
                1 year ago

                I have no qualms about building for the future and educating. I fully support that. What I don’t support is the brigading and the lambasting of users who choose to purchase closed or proprietary products. That is their right as much as it is yours to advocate for FOSS.

                If “taking everything from us” is the issue, there are appropriate channels and mechanisms to defend against that. If you don’t want your FOSS software to be used in a priority setting, apply the correct licensing models and pursue legal paths. GPL-licensed FOSS is generally and effectively avoided by for-profit organizations. If you purposefully choose MPL or Apache for your license models, that’s really your responsibility for legally protecting your FOSS IP. Apply the right licensing model, it is literally a single button to change it if your source is on GitHub.

            • Zetaphor@zemmy.ccEnglish
              3·
              1 year ago

              There’s an expression I think about a lot, “You can’t think when you’re hungry”

              Unfortunately principles and ideals are calorie-free

          • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techEnglish
            13·
            1 year ago

            That’s fine as your opinion, but it’s not a popular one. Many people tried lemmy and left almost immediately because they want a better UI. We come from the old usenet boards so we know what UI was like back then, but now people expect a great UI/UX to use a service. So yes, I understand the principals, but we shouldn’t demonize people who pay money for a better experience, and if you’re a developer I’m sure you know that a good UX costs some money, but a great UX costs a lot of money.

            • NikkiNikkiNikki@kbin.social
              1·
              1 year ago

              There’s also a lot of younger techies on the board cause if you even got remotely deep enough you’d have to learn how to use those user board websites to solve your extremely specific problems.

    • ViktorShahter@lemmy.ml
      3·
      1 year ago

      You can make it FOSS and still have some sort of subscription for syncing between devices for example. Tasks.org did it like that.

      Not to mention that you can run something on donations like lichess or F-Droid and have some extra money.

      • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techEnglish
        6·
        1 year ago

        NPM did donations too and found that <0.01% of users paid anything, and the average for even the most used packages made on average $40 a month. That doesn’t pay a full time fry cook, let alone developer

        • 𝒍𝒆𝒎𝒂𝒏𝒏@lemmy.one
          4·
          1 year ago

          I remember this being a problem on GitHub where developers would full on attack NPM packages that requested funding or donations in the installer.

          Core-js had a really rough ride with that one, and babel (one of their main users) could not spare any development time to work on it, in the absence of the single maintainer.

          It’s kind of disappointing in FOSS circles how some just refuse to acknowledge that devs need to eat - not everyone codes open source software as a side/passion project in spare time.

          • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techEnglish
            4·
            1 year ago

            Yup, I remember the core-js debacle, one dude literally supporting the entirety of the internet, tried everything he could just to get some funding from literally anyone, that was the 40 dollar mark I got, he got 40 dollars to maintain core-js. I’m sure even Lemmy here uses it.

            He would receive threats on his github on this project he started for fun saying there were bugs, or they needed features, and he said he even received death threats for just asking for funding. Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, and Google all use core-js but none of them gave him anything for using it anywhere. He even asked them all if he could just come work for them and maintain corejs since they all use it so heavily, none of them responded. So he just gave up, and said basically screw everyone, no one wants to support me, my family has sacrificed too much for this project that no one wants to pay for, and he got a real job and stopped updating core-js.

            It’s a sad story. Everyone here loves to praise FOSS, and if we lived in the Federation we’d be able to support FOSS simply by using it, but if you’re using it and not supporting the developers then you’re not truly a FOSS supporter. I’m really honestly ashamed with how people here have acted in this thread, principals are great but so few are willing to put their money where their mouth is. The donation button for Lemmy devs is right at the top, how many people in this thread have even clicked on it, let alone donated?

    • Leviathan@lemmy.world
      3·
      1 year ago

      Really these app “wars” should be a good natured ribbing, nothing to get angry about. But we shouldn’t forget why we’re actually here.

  • jabberati@social.anoxinon.de
    05·
    1 year ago

    @THED4NIEL Use whatever tools you want for yourself, EXCEPT for communication. For communication it needs at least two people and the other party now has to use software that doesn’t respect their freedom just to communicate with you.

  • nodsocket@lemmy.world
    5·
    1 year ago

    It’s interesting how it’s just assumed that everyone is browsing on mobile. I remember ten years ago on Reddit people making fun of mobile users and extolling the virtues of the desktop.

    • mikeboltonshair@lemmy.world
      2·
      1 year ago

      I’ve pretty much only ever browsed Reddit on mobile (and only ever through an app) and with Lemmy it’s only on mobile, I was thinking anyone using the computer to browse is probably someone who is more likely to be working in an office, I’m not an office worker so I’ve never had quick easy access to a computer

      • Hate@lemmy.world
        1·
        1 year ago

        I have a personal computer, but if I’m going to be sitting at my computer, I’m not usually going to be browsing social media (besides video host/stream platforms)

        and I prefer not to browse social media at work using my accounts.

  • pacoboyd@lemm.ee
    181·
    1 year ago

    Came from using Sync for probably close to a decade on Reddit, so I’m definitely a creature of habit switching back for it on Lemmy. That being said, I tried ALL the apps looking for a solid experience and nothing delivers like Sync (opinion). All of them were missing something that completed my experience, was that experience coloured by my time with Sync on Reddit, sure. For all the options Sync gives me I’m willing to pay the dev half the cost of a steak dinner. I’ve already spent 100x longer on Sync for Lemmy than it would take me to eat said steak.

    As for FOSS, let’s just say it’s not the be all / end all. Look at all the options that Sync brought to the table in a month that Lemmy hasn’t added in the whole of its development.

    Personally I feel like most of the folks complaining about Ads in Sync are just complaining to complain. The FOSS crowd is also the most likely to use ad blocking, filtered dns providers, pi-hole, adguard etc and if that’s the case they won’t even see a single Ad.

    • nodsocket@lemmy.world
      1·
      1 year ago

      I am willing to use Sync only because of my ability to block all the ads. Once something better comes around I will use that.

  • monotrox@discuss.tchncs.de
    5·
    1 year ago

    Honestly I tried many lemmy apps and most apps are worse than just the mobile website, except for sync which is just slightly better