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The person per person count is slightly skewed for conjoined twins :)

That is absolutely NOT what progress means, you fucking dipshit.

prog·ress noun /ˈpräɡrəs/

forward or onward movement toward a destination.
"the darkness did not stop my progress"

Moving slightly slower on enshittofication than the other guys does not meet that definition.

Improvement, actual improvement, is what is required by progress.

I’m not asking for everything to instantly be better. I’m demanding that things stop slowly getting worse.

Debt forgiveness is a decent step… Again unless educating your populace is as high a priority as it should be, in which case higher education would be freely available to any who wanted it. That’s not a moving goalpost, that’s simply how it always should have been.

Under that, there simply is no student debt. Also, worth noting that debt forgiveness doesn’t actually fix the problem, it just gets people to shut up and go away, so yes I am still screaming for good and free public education for the public good.

I like how the fact that “this has happened before” is somehow a valid excuse for it to happen now. Dismiss me if you like but you still aren’t offering any actual rebuttal.

Since the 80s, and Reagan bot major parties have facilitated the transfer of wealth away from the middle class and to the rich specifically.

I don’t need to call that out because it’s been there for everyone to see for 40 fucking years. What the actual fuck are you on about.

When choice 1 is kill me slowly (maybe suggest slowing down oil emissions but not actually enforce it), and choice 2 is kill me quickly (lets sell Alaska to Exxon), what is the correct choice?

I would honestly prefer choice 3 which is stop fucking trying to kill me.

Should I commend the D team for not being quite as bad as R? Jesus man, I just want to have options that aren’t two different versions of wrong.

Seriously, how do you not understand that this is an ENGINEERED false dichotomy?

Additionally, everyone is coming at me going “the liberal party is progressiveby definition” and yet no one gives any examples of ACTUAL progress o. The D platform that ever a tualky gets acted upon. So far I’m the only person here who’s even. Rought up the ACA, and I do grant that it is mild progress, for the US, not for anywhere else in the developed world.

Lol which party is pushing for progress?

The one throwing kids in jail for protesting genocide?

The one funnelling money to Israel hand over foot?

The one that let Republicans stack the judiciary while crying that it was “unfair” but not actually working to stop it?

Fuck the D’s bunch of cowards.

I vote D because I have no other valid choice. When Obama was in the president seat, he had both houses of congress and only managed to get the aca. Don’t get me wrong, telling insurance they have to cover preexisting conditions is a good thing, but only by the standard that we are required to use insurance anyways. We need single payer.

Don’t misquote me. I don’t think D and R are the same thing. I know that I suffer less under D leadership than R, however, things only actually ever seem to move further right. For example, why are we throwing college kids in jail for stating the obvious: that supporting the massacre of civilians is heinous? I think that D and R are playing the same game, Power, and the little people who aren’t rich are the ones paying their dues.

I’m reasonably sure making discussion difficult is the goal. When the right refers to libs, they mean “anything left of me” without ever acknowledging that a significant number of people being referred to are neither progressive lib or left. The American D party is a center right organization, so how do I, as a leftist express “fuck the platform of the ‘liberal party’ is pushing, they’re clearly bought and paid for too, and are serving the bourgeoisie and don’t give a fuck about me, but I still have to put the guy in charge back in charge cause the alternative is dictatorship.”

Yep, sounds about right.

Nah, your first statement is close, but you miss by a bit:

“The democrats are the liberal party. They [pretend to] support abortion (when trying to get elected), religious freedom (when trying to get elected), police reform (when trying to get elected), civil rights (when trying to get elected), drug decriminalization (when trying to get elected), etc.”

When not trying to get elected they don’t actually DO anything.

Drug decriminalization was a big deal in the 70’s and we are maybe just now kinda getting around to it.

I didn’t even call out the shit behavior on civil rights, you did that.

They seem a-ok with police fucking with college kids right now.

They’ve had 50 years since roe v wade to guarantee the right to abortion, and they didn’t.

What DID they do?

Helped give money to people who are already rich through tax breaks. Helped give money to people who are already rich through deregulation they allowed through. Helped give money to people who are already rich through defense contracts. Helped give money to people who are already rich by overthrowing foreign governments with control over resources out oil barrons want.

Id call those “gaps”, yeah.

Op, are you in the US?

In the US, the choices for voting are Republican and Democrat.

Which of these parties is “liberal?”

The argument being made when non conservatives dislike liberals is when the liberals in question align with the Ds, because the Ds have every interest in pushing vaguely progressive policies during elections and never actually follow through in office.

Remember student loans? Still out there Remember universal healthcare? Still gotta pay for insurance Remember tax reform? Still paying higher rates than people who can’t conceivably spend all of their money.

The primary goal of the Dems when in power is to maintain power. Fuck those guys. Not quite as hard as Republicans, but it stands.

Signed, Not a fucking tankie

Pretty much. “Lol why don’t you like libs?”

…cause we don’t like things the way they are, and the only goal of the libs appears to be prevent any sort of progress. Maybe we are allowed relief from existing problems, but fuck you if you wanna fix em!

Emotion

Lol no? My base floor is above ground. Wtf you think water is attracted to houses or smth?

I mean, yeah, but why would the Republicans lift theirs…

I’d agree to disagree, but no. Ridiculous beliefs should be ridiculed. Additionally, no one is making fun of or even making light of religion here.