Salute, it’s been fun to talk about stuff and also i’m getting more information I missed so I thank you for that as well

I’m aware that Job states were practically severed, but I also think Milei has done it the legal way? I’ve seen discussions always pointing towards no-renewal of contracts rather than firing workers outright, if not shutting down entities which if it had followed the law, I think it’s best for Argentina’s people interests since doing that was also something he boasted about in his campaign, it’s bad for the workers of course but in any private environment, assuming the law is followed, would have the same results for any money-bleeding enterprise, again, as he promised to do so they (workers) probably saw it coming even and prepared accordingly

I wasn’t aware of the second usage of the state app, however what you mention about the first one’s message we would need the exact wording, given that wasn’t lying in Argentina’s case it seems and it doesn’t sound like a political attack or propaganda for other things than the hotline

About the economic front I think it’s the first time we collide, in all the discussions, news and analysis I have seen about Milei’s economic effects EVERYTHING I got from it indicated that Dollars were losing value against the Peso, and from Argentines getting paid in Dollars they stated they were becoming poorer, likewise there have been recent news about Brazilians going on vacation to Argentina to find that everything was extremely expensive in Dollars, comparing it to the last year where some said to have things practically gifted… so I am not sure if we’re talking about the same thing here, but all about it seems to compass that the Peso is increasing it’s value, while Salaries don’t increase that’s correct but the worth of them does, and Dollars lose value against the Peso

About his Social Conservativeness, yeah I have seen he has stances on that, I am not sure I about this exactly when, but I think he was asked about his Ideological stance in a recent interview from a British Podcaster (I can’t remember the name of right now but it was recent), and he replied by asking them if they wanted the Personal Answer or the Governmental Agenda one… point is I believe he has it straight to have his personal views out of the government agenda, but we’ll see

Wasn’t the Vice president a woman? but anyway, I guess that’s to be suspected yeah, whatever the case I hope it incentivizes to increase scrutiny bars, it’s very complicated to say it really had a tie to either field since cause and effect really benefit both sides

Hello there, thanks for getting back, I have also kept some watch through different mediums and I can agree on most terms of your comments, I do think there are some outliers however.

The primary motto of his campaign was to make the caste pay, while I agree the workers have also paid, there have been more movements against said group that have ever been applied in Argentina before, I can remember some law he decreed to take down that State Jobs could be inherited from parents to their children, which was crazy to even think of, which makes me think that part of the promise is on-going rather than broken, if we apply the term without looking at where the caste is from (public state/private enterprise) then he does certainly miss the term on the non-governmental caste

About the economical effects it’s certain it put a hold to it’s imminent doom, but also worker salary increases and tax cuts are only beginning to happen, I remember poverty was first reported half throughout this year to be 57% and reports from the same entity have gone downhill since, while worker Salaries have only began increasing in the past two months, in his most recent speech given on the anniversary of his presidency, he did declare he would take off 90% of the taxes in the foreseeable future, which im inclined to believe given the record, perhaps it’s gonna be better once that takes off

I remember reading some news about that state app Propaganda you mention, it was more specifically aimed at an specific union, the leader of which had been trialed for threatening workers to strike under his force group or to be left without benefits. Under these circumstances I don’t believe it was used as Propaganda, since the message indicated that if you were being threatened, you could call the hotline to denounce it, again given the circumstances, Argentina had all of it’s available public media used for campaign for the Economy Minister back in the elections, so im certain Milei could have used way more if he wanted to make propaganda, this is tame in comparison, maybe it can be acceptable given the justice ruled the union leader guilty of those accusations

You are right he’s been ruling by decree, I do not know about those bribes for congressman, I haven’t seen a report of any kind of that either public or alleged but that’s worrying, in the other hand, the parties being bribed would be as guilty of not enforcing democracy in that case, but for Milei’s decree ruling, I believe it was a tool that was granted to him by the same congress, much like it happened with the previous President during the Pandemic, and statistically Milei has used it far less than him in the same period of time. I would believe his disrespect towards his opponents to be part of the “Cultural War” that he refers to where he has to defend his ideas until the results show up, and then he would let them speak for themselves, given the right I would believe he can tone it down in the future, but we’ll see

Well, this is gonna be odd

Hello there, I actually kept your comment’s notification on my inbox this whole time, since you sounded reasonable and had an in depht-view of the events that ocurred at the time

Given the current state now, a whole year later of impact, if it’s not much trouble can I ask for opinions or thoughts if you have kept watch?

There is actually an amazon show (idk the name) thats having a Concord devoted episode sometime this november, that might be a lead for re-releasing concord as f2p, idk but would be funny

Good Good Utz!

Nice try, class Traitor

Except that… he’s already making the Caste pay?.. 2 out of his 3 Decrees so far have already cut A LOT of Political Priviledges and Money making schemes planted by the Peronists, and more are to come out of his words. Sure the workers are paying too i’ll give you that.

And yes, Massa was the President, of course not in an official way because that would be unconstitutional and Political Suicide, on the Most Peronist fashion it was all done under the rug. As soon as Massa assumed his charge the President Alberto Fernandez LITERALLY dissapeared from Public View AND Executively did NOTHING the rest of his mandate. Massa took his place both in Public Acts and on actually ordering the Country. There’s no way to make this shit up given how blatant it was

Im asking for a clarification or otherwise rewording of the meaning you tried to give with a dubious quote from a Past Era because It’s not clear how it interjects with the topic at all

If you’re not willing to provide that, I guess this convo is over

I don’t know who’s interpretation of Anarcho-Capitalism you are following, but since ther has never been an Anarcho Capilist government in the world (which sounds ironical) it’s all just ideas and interpretations, of which seem you are grabbing the worst of the pile.

Rothbard’s definition includes in the fundamentals of the Contractual Society being voluntarily approached and free of violence or harm, which is to say that if you do not respect the inalienable rights of the others, you are violating the Contract for being in that society, and you are rightfully gonna be aprehended. There is no contradiction

Also, to what you said about “demonstrated” something, mind linking to what you have? There’s nothing around here like that

What would have you chosen instead then? Something more precise would be good to know.

Or… neither?

Words have meanings beyond the people that use them, if the meaning is appropiate for representing something, it shall be used.

Is not like “Phobia” is on many “Phobias” just for the sake of it.

What are you on about?

Are you confusing principles and ideals of an ideology for an instated regime? Or what’s your point here

You just gave me the right on everything about Espert… Including that he’s just a legislator and LLA having an Alliance with JxC to be allowed to govern… So thanks I guess

However, no the Peso was not devaluated, the Official exchange just moved towards the real exchange since for some reason they dont want to steal more from the Workers and Tourists that fall for the trap of the Official Exchange… HMMMM

And yeah let’s just be absolutists and say the right is never the answer, that’s obviously flawless and correct and doesnt make you look any biased at all…

And would like to know the quote you are apparently replying to? Because so far Milei has advocated to follow the constitution, has complied with his campaign promises so far and has been democratically elected unlike his opponent in the Elections who has De-Facto President on his Minister of Economy facade, Surely those arent fascists, correct?

“Ancaps arent Anarchists”

Yes… exactly. I see you understand why they are called different things

It was a genuine question, Im at a Loss of what are you trying to say or imply

I’ll stand by my claim that a peaceful protest that doesnt violate anyone else’s rights is not only possible, but should be the norm where these “Social” Organizations have only done the contrary in Argentina thus far.

Are you… advocating violence?..

I literally just said a peaceful manifestation without violation of the other’s right is possible and has been done not even too far back.

And also, these “Piquetes” aren’t peaceful at all. It is violent to stop workers from going to work, threatening their income necessary to sustain their life, it’s a crime under the hood of enforcing a right and that’s why they should be repressed. Those who don’t incur on the people’s freedom to go to work and live peacefully shouldn’t be of course.

I don’t know how an Anti-Corruption office would go with Media Outlets spewing misinformation, free speech is fundamental after all. If they say something that’s wrong they should be sued by the affected, people should loose interest in their channel and it would die off because there’s no profit when nobody watches or trusts them.

On another hand, there are some trustable ones but of course who those are varies from person to person, for now let’s just wait until the ones that cant survive without the government’s money die off and we’ll put up to public scrutiny the rest

Half the country doesn’t know how to read

Half the country voted for the Minister of Economy that ran the economy to the ground, used 2 Points of the Country’s GDP for his Political campaign and was also Defacto President the past 2 Years (not democratically elected) using the Ideology that has governed Argentina for 20 Years now

I think you just cracked the code who the “Backwards idiots” you so speak of might be

In case you really are intersted, I would suggest r/Argentina on Reddit or r/Republica_Argentina again on Reddit

To clarify the former is more right-oriented (pro current gov, against past) and the latter is Left-oriented (pro past gov, against current)

Official new sources straight from Argentina are hard to trust, as they used to be Paid by the government and served as propagandists for it until like a week ago since Milei made a decree to halt said Payments for at least a Year (You can search about this with the term “Pauta oficial Argentina”)

Not out in the woods necessarily, but it certainly wouldnt make a horrible protest place either.

They just have to do it like how Argentines protested against The Minister of Economy ot the Previous Government (Milei’s opponent in the presidential elections) where they manifested, called and paid by no one (unlike these “Piqueteros” the article talks about), on a Sunday and blocked no streets or pathways. Simple as that!