Yeah, you’re probably right

Which West Germany didn’t face?

We already established they had a Nazi problem

the latter is more of that “librul witchcraft” of globalization.

Again, the poverty in the region was longstanding and persists even today.

the Soviets brutalized the East, and that left a legacy of uneducated poverty.

I’m not impressed with your link, remember that the West had the RAF, which enjoyed a fair deal of popular support. I’d also need a source on things like poor education since socialist states historically are the most consistently excellent at things like mass literacy (though of course modern Germany is fine in that regard).

So it’s reduced to “They were poor” which was always the case and is still the case, though at least there was virtually no homelessness in the East, which the West and notably modern Germany cannot say.

Oh, and you’re right there were no camps in East Germany, those camps were in the USSR

I said death camps, which the USSR also didn’t have. Labor camps are just a form of prison labor that people use the Holocaust’s work-to-death camps to sound more brutal than they are. Prison labor was also practiced in West Germany, is practiced in modern Germany, and is practiced in whatever liberal state you like. The equivocation here is really the peak of the “Soviets were also Nazis” bullshit that is of course popular with the aggrieved German liberals and anticommunist historians the world over.

Well no, there’s one step further, but I hope we can avoid talking about it because it doesn’t concern Germany.

I obviously don’t expect you to have a positive regard of the Soviets, but equivocating between the East German government and Nazis is frankly disgusting. We can start with something uncontroversial: The East Germans absolutely did not have death camps (probably the closest thing they did was the killing of many former Nazis) and were not engaging in ethnic cleansing.

The modern trend of people from the former East Germany supporting AfD probably has more to do with the interceding decades of liberal rule, combined with the region’s historic relative poverty (which preceded even the Nazis).

It should also go without saying that I despise the Russian federation like I despise all liberal governments, and the Russian government especially for its primary purpose being anti-communist suppression. That said, again, “hard Nazi” is a disgusting thing to call them when they aren’t doing things like running death camps or engaging in ethnic cleansing. It’s just hysterical projection from the liberal masters of a country that has a civil religion around an actual Nazi collaborator and perpetrator of the Holocaust, Stepan Bandera.

Whatever that poster planned to implement their beliefs would probably devolve into adventurism but, taken at face value, I think it would be much more accurate to call their proposal blanquist.

Notice how Germany is a good country nowadays

That really isn’t true, and it’s not true for the same reasons as you describe of the American South. There was relatively little denazification in West Germany, and the West German government eventually became the German government, so now we have a country where the supposedly liberal parties respond to the blatantly fascist AfD by adopting their policy positions.

Yeah, but that’s something that is harder to be succinctly convincing about to someone who is enough of a philistine to say “nazis were socialist” to begin with. That said, in the source I linked, the very next paragraph is:

‘We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our Socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the State on the basis of race solidarity. To us, State and race are one…

If it’s nearly as appropriate to call yourselves liberal as it is to call yourselves socialist, you probably aren’t much of either (and indeed, as much as I despise liberals, Hitler was not a liberal either).

The hegemonic ideology of the capitalist world. Here’s the Wikipedia summary to give you something palatable. They don’t mean “liberal” in the American sense of “Democrat-aligned”.

Fair enough, apologies for presuming.

That’s not true, currency is an invention, it’s not as old as humanity. Primitive agrarian societies (and of course hunter-gatherer societies) broadly did not use currency.

https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/vv.html

I’m an ML but no, states are more fundamental than capitalism. There were states prior to capitalism and they will likely exist after capitalism, but capitalism cannot exist without a state as the special apparatus of class oppression.

I expect that with most of them, it’s a way to honor the accomplishments of their forebears, which I think is fair enough or at least not the same as “hubris”. You can make a left-critique of the rather Confucian ancestor veneration going on here, but that’s something else entirely.

The laws of a depraved society should never be confused with morality or treated as the rules of engagement, “maverick”

First objection. Why would the people in power change the voting system that got them in power? Well, the spoiler effect has cost both Dems & Reps a major election before. Getting rid of that glitch would be a win-win for major and minor parties!

This inference is completely defective. Of course a system has a cost, but the cost to a major party of changing to rcv is in many cases to completely hold decades-long strangleholds they previously had. It’s like saying, uh, “Right now Hugh cooks his food, but that sometimes results in him burning himself, so of course he’d be glad to sign on to eating food raw!”

humans = currency

??? Currency being capitalism is also wrong, but that’s just baffling

Well, Russia experienced two more, but one of them was very directly due to WWII

It’s systems built to reward the exploitation of the many by a few powerful individuals. It’s not a sin that is the issue, it’s the actual political-economic systems that are currently being maintained.

Some liberals sided with the Nazis, though many were rather ideologically confused by the whole thing. There certainly were many liberals sent to the camps, and any would-be German Voltaire would have been sent there pretty quickly if not just shot outright.

…The Jewish doctrine of Marxism rejects the aristocratic principle of Nature and replaces the eternal privilege of power and strength by the mass of numbers and their dead weight. Thus it denies the value of personality in man, contests the significance of nationality and race, and thereby withdraws from humanity the premise of its existence and its culture. As a foundation of the universe, this doctrine would bring about the end of any order intellectually conceivable to man. And as, in this greatest of all recognizable organisms, the result of an application of such a law could only be chaos, on earth it could only be destruction for the inhabitants of this planet.

If, with the help of his Marxist creed, the Jew is victorious over the other peoples of the world, his crown will be the funeral wreath of humanity and this planet will, as it did thousands of years ago, move through the ether devoid of men

– Hitler in Mein Kampf

‘Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality and, unlike Marxism, it is patriotic.

Excerpt from an interview with Hitler. Note the part about “private property”.

Obviously he railed against Marxism all the time, but these were the most obvious quotes. He clearly did defend private property, and I’m not really sure that there was any collective farming like he describes of his “German ancestors”.

It’s valid to point that out, but I think that OP is talking about the modern usage of the Confederate flag, not the original use. At least, it becomes a much more coherent message that way.