I mean I’m all for old guys flexing old guy knowledge. But I honestly feel sort of stupid for even trying to correct this one because it seems so fruitless.

Software lineage does have some interesting things in it and one of my favorite infographics is the Linux variations family tree they have over on Wikipedia. But I don’t see any inherent value in tracking where browsers came from and who begot who from the biblical sense.

Back in the day this produced some really large controversies and led to heavy litigation… https://www.theringer.com/tech/2018/5/18/17362452/microsoft-antitrust-lawsuit-netscape-internet-explorer-20-years

But now a days you really just need to decide what is important to you and find the right browser. Performance, compatibility, privacy, customization, integration… Etc… there is a browser for pretty much any application you can think of and generally speaking you are going to have some massive give and takes between them. No such thing as a perfect browser, though Links probably got the closest. 😆

That’s because it’s not true. Firefox was first called firebird for a brief time… Otherwise its most closely related to the Mozilla browser… Netscape and mosaic aren’t even related to each other… I don’t know what this guy is smoking.

It wasn’t, this guy hasn’t a clue… Its original name was Firebird and they changed it to Firefox at version 3’s release. You could argue that it is somehow related to the Mozilla browser since it came from a related team but the Mozilla Foundation was also responsible for SeaMonkey as well.

Mosaic was completely unrelated, same with netscape.

Wildly mistranslated… it’s actually “Palestine, never was, never will be.”

Even Jordan and Egypt refuse these people… and they were Jordanian and Egyptian before Egypt and Jordan tried to murder an encampment of war refugees and Holocaust survivors because they were angry at the United Nations… Multiple times…

No dude… Nothing like that… Israel has made plenty of mistakes, especially in the past, and this is an extremely complex issue.

To answer your first question in terms of casualty counts. The very first thing is that casualty counts are very commonly over/under inflated, especially during times of conflict. There are many reasons you may want to over inflate or deflate your numbers. But honestly it is really difficult to take casualty rates at face value. Let’s say we take it for what it is and its skewed. Now we run straight into a philosophical conundrum that is probably much to big to effectively argue through on the internet.

Your philosophical position on about a dozen or so moralistic arguments are going to shape your ultimate decision on where you stand in terms of casualty imbalances.

So I will skip all that and give you some of the things that I believe would bring me to your side.

1. If HAMAS releases all of the remaining hostages and surrenders their leadership to stand trial in a neutral international court, and Israel continues to pursue it’s offensive operations.
2. If Israel remains present in gaza following the restoration of peace.

I understand where you are coming from, really… And I also appreciate the care that went into crafting your reply with the clear considerations to keep a neutral and rational tone, so I wish to extend the courtesy back.

The major contention I have with your position is that it is only easily justified if it were true that Israel is in fact indiscriminately bombing Palestinians. However the basis in reality to support the indiscriminate claim just doesn’t exist at the current point. In fact the specific video posted here is explicitly contradictory to that argument. Israel has developed military technology beyond nearly every other country in the world in order to precisely and discriminatorily be able to target enemy combatants in civilian dense urban areas. The roof knock bombs that IDF use prior to levelling a structure so that citizens can have time to flee the scene is a prime example as well.

Fuck… You’re right, it did.

What the hell do you think war is guy? You new to this? Never seen someone’s leg blown off before? Ever applied a tourniquet?

Guy this is the exact definition of precise. Literally hits one guy in a crowd. Assuming this asshole is in fact HAMAS, then they literally did it with 0 civilian casualties… So you really better ask yourself who you are cheering for here. HAMAS is literally by their own reports still holding completely innocent civilians hostage right now, and I assure you they aren’t just playing Parcheesi with them.

HAMAS started this war by launching tens of thousands of missiles into crowded urban cities intentionally trying to kill civilians.

You can be pro-Palestinian without being pro-HAMAS… Please never forget this. In fact if you are pro Palestinian, you really have to be Anti-HAMAS. HAMAS has literally murdered Palestinians en masse.

Please for the love of all decency, find your way to the middle ground.

I have no clue what you are defending.

Also that’s the silliest shit I’ve ever heard. A tamir interceptor is designed for the interception of rockets, artillery, and mortars. Just consider what the design of a rocket with such a task specific purpose would need to be designed to do. Think about how it would move, how it would sound, what the warhead is designed to do.

Really think this through please. Because most people here in Lemmy thought the rocket that hit the hospital (which ended up actually being the parking lot) and killed those 900 people (which actually ended up being ~300) was a US JDAM.

You actually believe that a low yield… Maybe 20lb NEW warhead designed for shrapnel dispersal fired at the sky and then malfunctioning and falling back to the ground… Would have the same devastation, velocity, and angle of attack as a missile people reasonably, but still mistakeningly thought was a 500lb NEW Air to Surface JDAM.

You could literally just use your own eyes and go look for videos of what it looks like for the tamir to explode in the air and compare that to the massive incendiary fireball that came from the HAMAS rocket and you would immediately know how insane that theory is.

And then I hope you walk away from that with just a little bit of skepticism and shame because you are guzzling the Kool aid bud.

Hey bud, neither do you… But go ahead and let your bias drive that confirmation. What I see is an insanely precise strike and a bunch of terrorist apologists who will never be happy no matter how insanely precise the IDF conducts it’s operations.

Man, looks like they got the guy they were targeting and none of the civilians… This is way cleaner than when HAMAS dropped a bomb on a Palestinian hospital… they ended up killing hundreds of Palestinians…

For what it is worth, today Netanyahu is exceptionally unpopular among more secular Israelis.

Additionally Lehi, is only one example of Israelis organizations that have committed terroristic atrocities against Palestine over the years. The Kach, and later Kahane Chai are examples of Israeli terrorist organizations with similar objectives as well… At least they were, until the Biden administration decided to remove their terrorist designation last year. The Jewish Defense League which committed attacks against Americans in the 80’s is another.

Plenty of awful in the world to go around…

Fails to play for me as well. Not sure if anyone is willing to describe why they believe this is a missle and not a rocket, but would appreciate it.

I provided data specifically to that point to allow anyone to read further… Looks like you skipped that step. You also skipped over the fact that I was specifically talking about the Palestinian leadership of that era, which I purposefully and intentionally differentiate from the Palestinian population as a whole. Most of the general population of Israelis and Palestinians are sick of the conflicts their leadership continuously escalate and in general, both sides would prefer to seek long term peace.

You claim that I’m framing with our context… but it would appear you completely skipped the context provided and reframed critical components of the data that was provided to fit your own bias.

It’s been an extraordinary well documented tactic of the HAMAS… they teach children their highest calling they can achieve in life is to take the lives of Israelis through suicide attacks and to kill as many Israelis that they can by any violent means necessary. They push military caches into schools and hospitals that force civilian men, women, and children to risk their lives in order to gain access to essential humanitarian services which are already extremely limited. HAMAS literally will hold their own palestinians hostage in buildings that Israel intends to attack in order to intentionally maximize the civilian casualties.

They rape and torture their prisoners. They murder homosexuals.

All while constantly bombarding Israelis with rockets in order to force defensive counterstrikes from Israel. Randomly stabbing men, women, and children on the street with essentially no provocation.

https://youtu.be/VEcaI7zQG3E?si=g7UIh04AqtRHl0n3

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/10/the-roots-of-the-palestinian-uprising-against-israel/410944/

https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-israel-immigration-west-bank-gay-rights-ce95f6903faf461502cc0800b272b159

Hamas’ use of human shields in Gaza - NATO StratCom https://stratcomcoe.org/cuploads/pfiles/hamas_human_shields.pdf

Palestinian leadership was literally aligned and allied to the Nazi party during WW2.

So in truth, it’s not just tough to hold a moral high ground… It’s impossible when there is not even the faintest glimmer of conceptualizing what morality even is.

HAMAS must be excoriated from the face of the planet and never allowed to reoccur again. For the peace and stability of the Palestinian people and for the world.

Unfortunately, it won’t change a thing either way… HAMAS and Israel are now at war, and collateral loss of life is a cold horrible and tragic reality.

Let me tell you what I do know…

Four weeks ago I was in Tel Aviv smoking shisha with both Israelis and Arabs. It was a great night.

No one but HAMAS wanted this conflict…

The air strike is in dispute, HAMAS claims Israel, Israel claims HAMAS was responsible.

A little too soon to be jumping to conclusions and I would recommend everyone practice skepticism and patience, especially with reporting is coming from extremely biased sources like al-Jazeera, or official spokespersons.

People are suffering through this from every side, and it’s just so disgusting and frustrating that people are so quick to leverage the suffering of anyone in their own pointless bias confirmations. Especially so when those individuals have no ties at all to any of this and are vastly ignorant of the political/military complexities involved here.

Propaganda is designed specifically to illicit emotional reactions… So, “Don’t react, wait for facts!”

For those of you who don’t know… the caliber is usually known as 9mm Parabellum… so there is a joke in there too.

Called a moonbow