Agreed. There needs to also have more granular federation options (blocking images, forcing NSFW on another instances posts, silence them in c/all, etc etc)

I think overall a good way would be to add content warnings like other fediverse software and making it so that you can set specific communities to have specific content warnings to be applied.

100% there needs to be a way to block lemmynsfw, I say this even as an admin for it!

Thank you! This is so awesome

What porn instances have defederated from each other? None that I know of have.

Thank you and absolutely! Our general ethos for LemmyNSFW is that with the implosion of reddit, it’s inevitable that some adults are going to seek out adult content so making sure its done right is quite important. For the purpose of the growth of the lemmyverse and keeping the community safe, we see it as an opportunity to not only learn from reddits biggest mistakes and make a new community that focuses consent and keeps minors out, but also actually attempts to foster a safe and controlled environment that other federated NSFW communities haven’t really been able to do so as they have almost always turned into a free for all. It’s an uphill battle with the limits of lemmy, but we are working through it and doing the best we can and building tools for ourselves. There isn’t a blueprint for this, we’re learning as volunteers as time goes on.

When it comes to defederation, we truly don’t have issues with instances that defederate with us. There’s no hard feelings, no grudge, not even any ounce of negativity. We respect and honor that choice, and with the limits that lemmy has (especially right now) we understand why instances make that choice. And for the overall benefit and safety of the lemmyverse there needs to be instances that don’t federate with us too. Especially in line with our focus on consent. Ideally, there will be native ways in lemmy to block our instance, restrict our content in all for instances, and the implementations of more detailed content warnings.

I will say that I personally use a different instance for SFW stuff, and I can say that I absolutely adore the people at aussie.zone, sopuli.xyz & feddit.de. The admins and communities at each of those instances are filled to the brim with absolute sweethearts and I have nothing but love and kindness towards them. It makes me sad when people feel there is some weird beef we have with the instances that have us defederated (especially those!), and I hope those instances know we don’t, we fully understand why they do, and we will never push them to refederate with us unless they inquire to us explicitly about thinking about doing so.

Same as above, if we were simply defederated there would have been no hard feelings, it was everything else that was an issue.

If you see them or anyone spamming on LemmyNSFW, please report them.

Admin for lemmynsfw here, and I just wanna say that we desperately need instance blocking for lemmy. Or at least some way for instances to be able to restrict NSFW content in /all. Some people do not want to see NSFW content or simply can’t, and that’s more than fine.

It makes me sad, but it is what it is. I’m trying not to take it personally, but it does sting since I am a gay man, and an LGBT focused instance is a lovely idea in my eyes. We do not have a jailbait community, whatsoever. There are concerns about fauxbait that we are actively discussing and navigating. It did bring up a good conversation on that end at least.

I know it may seem like empty platitudes, but I want to make it clear for anyone reading this that our entire team agrees with more native ways in lemmy to block our instance as well as ways for instances to limit our content from federating into the all page. The fact that there is a lack of distinction between NSFW and pornographic content is extremely problematic as well, and ideally long term lemmy will receive content warnings like other activitypub platforms.

Porn isn’t for everyone, but people are going to seek it out regardless. A space such as lemmyNSFW needs to exist to allow the people who seek such content out to be able to do so in a safe and controlled environment that focuses consent as a key principle. And in line with having the key princple being consent, making sure people who do not want to see content from our instance are able to block such content with ease is a no brainer.

Our team has also taken a step back and looked to what critiques there are in regard to our instance, as well as preemptively engaging with other instance admins as well. The conversations being had are important, and we are actively figuring out how to best navigate them.

Also, for those who may have difficulty believing in this position, heres a reply I made 20 days ago to the connect apps comm when a proposal was made to block instances. https://lemmy.ca/comment/857085

Admin from LemmyNSFW here, not the one that posted but an admin nonetheless.

I’m not really down with this being presented as drama as some are trying to, it’s unfortunate the way it played out but overall its their choice to defederate. We actively encourage other instances who forbid pornography to defederate from us. Lemmy.ml, sopuli, etc etc we are totally fine with, we have no malice or hate towards them because thats their choice and their reasons and concerns for doing so are more than legitimate especially with how limited lemmy is right now and the locations that they host their site at. We have open discussions with other instance admins and welcome discussions of their potential concerns, it’s just we didn’t really know what the concerns were beyond “this looks wrong because it looks wrong delete it” which made it extremely frustrating to try to figure out concisely what the problem was so we could address it.

My only issue is it being presented as if we are fine with CSAM, when we aren’t and to be accused of that is extremely serious.

Trans women are women.

Admin for lemmynsfw here, you are mixing things up a bit. vlemmy (an instance that mysteriously disappeared recently after defederating from a instance thats hosts lolicon) was the Irish one. lemmynsfw.com has changed policy’s recently to make a healthier community, maintain federation with other instances, and generally figure things out for the better with lemmys limited software.

Either way, you can browse pornlemmy communities and lemmynsfw communities between each other since we federate with each other. All that matters is that right now those seem to be the only current NSFW instances attempting to operate responsibly and legally, to my present knowledge at least.