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lemmy.world, too: https://lemmy.world/post/2064026I’m sure discussion here will remain pleasant and mature with no problematic views, opinions or suggestions being thrown around at all.
That’s what it has been so far, thanks for participating.
I mean more so than expected. I guess years of reddit related brainrot conditions one to expect the worst constantly.
Yeah life tends to be a little easier when you’re not constantly fighting imaginary enemies lol.
everyone hates lemmynsfw
lemmy.blahaj.zone are left wing extremists with zero tolerance for anyone who doesn’t already believe what they believe. I’m not sure why they don’t just defederate themselves. They’ve been openly upset that people who disagree with them on certain issues keep finding them through the all communities tab and, gasp, disagree with them in the comments.
I don’t see how banning everyone who disagrees with you is easier than creating an insulated community of people who do agree with you, but I guess that’s their preference.
Blahaj only has one political* take and it’s that they support LGBTQ+ if you are shunned from that community chances are you might be the problem.
*(humans living as they please shouldn’t be political)
humans living as they please shouldn’t be political
By that logic, why is it a problem if consenting adults express themselves sexually in non-traditional ways?
Historically speaking, there has always been a lot of overlap and connection between kink and LGTBQ+ communities. There was a time not too long ago where simply being gay was considered to be not only a “sexual perversion” but also a “paraphilic disorder” by the psychiatric community. (Not advocating this viewpoint in any way, just pointing out the historical context.) Because of that, the LGTBQ+ community has basically always been an ally of the kink community, and vice versa. And if you visit a pride parade, for example, I think everyone can agree that there is a general vibe of sex-positivity and personal sexual freedom that suggests that there is no “wrong” sexual expression between consenting adults.
By that logic, why is it a problem if consenting adults express themselves sexually in non-traditional ways?
In what context are we talking and how are we presenting?
I see plenty of cis women wanting to go to the beach nearly full cheeks out but that’s considered fine? I can show my bare chest since I am not fem passing, but after a hrt will it suddenly not be fine? Our standards for whats ok and whats not are very iffy at best.
The overlap between kink and lgbtq+ I don’t see as an issue. As long as consenting adults are the ones involved and we keep minors out of it I am 100% for it.
The overlap between kink and lgbtq+ I don’t see as an issue. As long as adults are the ones involved and we keep minors out of it I am 100% for it.
Isn’t that exactly what this thread is about?
As in, blahajzone has defederated from lemmynsfw for kink content which, from what I’ve gathered, seems to consist of consenting adults only.
Sorry, I seemed to have misunderstood what you meant in relation to this thread.
You make a good point actually, I don’t typically consume NSFW so I am not too welled versed in it but it appears that the problem are models who “pass” as younger I guess? I mean I can see the slippery slope and how that might be hypocritical to the initial I stated. My opinion on that is its a slippery slope but ultimately consensual so it doesn’t bother me.
The initial point was more on the idea of lgbtq+ rights (or anyone’s rights) shouldn’t even be a political topic to begin with, as human rights shouldn’t a nuanced problem. Everyone should have a right to live how they please as long as they hurt nobody else. It shouldn’t be a question, as truthfully anyone’s existence alone shouldn’t hurt anyone else, and if it does then it sounds like the person being hurt is the actual problem.
Going to Lemmy to complain about “left-wing extremists” is kind of funny especially since the instance’s only real political stance is promoting gay/trans rights.
Well, if you’re from the US, then that is radical left-wing extremism, sadly. Because we’re making huge leaps backward in some places as much as we’re taking huge steps forward in others.
You know, it’s fine. I have no problem with it, in the end it doesn’t effect anyone does it?
Weird drama over nothing tbh
Communities are free to federate with whoever they want;
Consenting adults can do whatever they want.
Now give me a medal
Now give me a medal
Here you go, friend.🏅
For having the most concise, rational take in the thread.
Right.
You missed what the drama is over.
You can’t baselessly accuse whoever you want of posting and viewing CSAM because it looked like it to you, and then continuing to insist on that being the case after being proven wrong.
Yes you can. It’s been proven time and time again that you can in fact just do that. See the very continued existence of mastodon.art, for example
Weird drama over nothing tbh
Welcome to the Internet friendo! Now I must ask your attention for this unnecessarily long post to partake into your indirect attempt (yet it happened anyways) to trigger my emotions and my masculinity with your attempt to bruteforce common sense into our lovely community.
Please do apologize, or else I will forced to report you for ill-mannered behavior.
And if you reply to this, even if its the most sane-rational-intended – then you are a hater and you must cease any attempt to rationalization.
We are oppressed by the fascists enough as it is already.
Apologize. Now.
Sowwy 🥺
Definitely an overreach from our admin, personally doesn’t really change much for me since I don’t really use Lemmy for porn lol
I saw the drama unfold when I was browsing All. My 2 cents:
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In terms of the content in question, the lemmynsfw admin was right. I believe the community they were talking about was c/adorableporn, which AFAIK is just naked women acting cute, not acting or implying they are underage. The blahaj admin seemed to have misunderstood the premise of the community.
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On the other hand, the lemmynsfw admin didn’t really explain it properly and some of the words they used didn’t exactly help their justification. At one point the admin said they do not discriminate against a poster’s gender, looks, age, etc. and used words akin to saying they do not discriminate against people who are “too young”. Obviously that didn’t come across well in the conversation with the blahaj admin. The community’s rules also had some questionable wording (“child-like” is the term I believe they used), which the mods changed when it was pointed out. So all these things didn’t really help their defense.
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At the end of the day, it’s the blahaj admin’s lemmy instance, so they can do whatever they want and defederate if they wish. It’s up to the users on the instance to decide if it was justifiable and if they are ok with losing access to the entire lemmynsfw instance because of a misunderstanding.
EDIT for transparency purposes: As someone mentioned in the replies, I missed the word “adult” in recalling the statement that mentioned “too young”, so the admin did word it correctly. I stand corrected.
As to point 2, I think as with the botched announcement about loli/etc on lemmynsfw one of the admins isn’t completely fluent in English
To be fair, I made that same mistake when I read the wording and saw “too… young,” I did a double-take and was like, waitaminute, what are we saying here, before I realized they were referring to adults looking too young. I get they’re trying to be inclusive, it just looks odd out of context.
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God I find hate Redditurds, get to the point
they do not discriminate against people who are “too young”.
This is a misrepresentation of what was said. Was that intentional? It sounds like you are trying to inject your own opinion into what you are presenting as factual and unbiased.
The actual quote I think you are referring to is:
That means no adult on our instance is too thin, fat, bald, masculine, old, young, cis, gay, etc., to be sexy, and that includes not discriminating against legal adults that look younger than people think they should. Everyone has a right to lust and to be lusted after.
I’ve highlighted some key words I think you missed.
I was typing from memory. Now that you pasted the actual quote, I realize the word “adult” was there; so not intentional and I stand corrected. In any case, my point still stands that I think the conversation between the admins could’ve gone better. Maybe the lemmynsfw admin could’ve explained it another way; on the other hand, the blahaj admin seemed to just be looking for a reason to finally defederate and seemed like they already decided before the conversation even started.
You should edit your comment to remove the mischaracterization. The nsfw mod was WAY more clear than what you say.
Thanks for clarifying your earlier comment.
Hard to know the true motives of the blahaj admin - could be they felt this was the only way to protect their community from a perceived evil, could be they were just offended that the LemmyNSFW admin had the audacity to stand their ground on principle, could be they personally objected to nsfw content and this was as plausible a reason as any to act on the desire to defederate. I see they are still federated with a few other much smaller porn/nsfw instances.
Someone else here mentioned that being an LGBTQ+ instance and allowing association with porn occasionally described as “childlike” isn’t something Blahaj can afford in this political climate.
They’re already being called child groomers. You don’t want something that can be twisted into ammunition by bad actors.
Since I don’t associate LGBTQ+ with child-grooming, that notion never occurred to me. But now that you mention it, and knowing the current sad state of the current political climate, that point sounds entirely plausible. Thank you for pointing that out.
It was primarily over fictional drawn content I believe. With characters where it is not clear to determine the characters age one way or another, which would’ve made moderation difficult. Other users then took this as “they’re allowing for child pornography!” and faked a bunch of outrage over it - successfully it seems.
I was told the community is actually fauxbait. But the same applies, no one in there is even remotely underage
Depending on the country, depictions of fauxbait can either be ay okay or borderline illegal. In places like Australia and Ireland, they have laws that are aimed at hentai, but because of the way they are worded, could also include fauxbait as well.
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Sounds like they were trying to find a reason to defederate.
No, nsfw content is allowed on lemmy.blahaj.zone and Ive even stumbled on furry porn on a meme community (/c/196) so its not that.
If we are against lolicon for depicting children in such ways then its perfectly consistent being against stuff that use people (even if theyre adults) to do the same.
Its just IRL lolicon, Im with the admins of blahaj.zone in being against that.
There can be no “wrong” between two or more consenting adults.
My ex-wife is a clinical sexologist and I myself almost got my doctorate in the field too
Taking the classes and reading the books really opened up my eyes how much happier people are when they throw convention to the wind and just be themselves with other like-minded people.
My ex-wife is a clinical sexologist and I myself almost got my doctorate in the field too
Did you miss the finals because of perfecting your career choice?
All kidding aside, I am honestly curious as to why you didn’t get your doctorate, if you’re very close to it, if you’re willing to tell the public about it?
I’m pretty severely physically disabled. I have a degenerative bone disease called polyostotic fibrous dysplasia with Mccune-Albright syndrome. My bone marrow is slowly turning into tumors, causing fractures as I walk, move, exist. It also causes my endocrine to go hyper, hypo, or just shut off at random. So I’m pretty sick.
I didn’t realize all the clinical hours needed for all the certificates and such that I needed to complete the doctorate. My body was just not letting me get the work in.
I was getting my higher educations at Sexology Institute in Miami semi remotely. Since we knew the dean personally, I asked if I could use my credits and go for another doctorate offered since I had all the core classes and a ton of sexology specific classes. The best one offered with no clinical requirements was a philosophy degree.
I wasn’t going to use it for work since I’m disabled. So I knew that I’d be able to use it for what I wanted to use it for, and that was teaching others, academia, life coaching, that sort of stuff.
It’s also super helpful in running businesses as you have a changed perspective in a lot of things.
I was also able to graduate on time too after putting in some extra hours. Another benefit, I suppose, of being disabled
Thank you for sharing, and sorry to hear about your health predicament. Hang in there.
Spez mentality from the admin Ada. Why does the admin of an unimportant instance think they can write that message?
Hi, I’m on that instance.
The admin wrote that message to us, the people actually on the instance. She wrote it so we could be informed about the content we could view on her instance. Your instance is federated with ours so that’s why you saw the post. There is no way to make a post viewable only to the local instance so it has been spread (because it seems like drama).
You will still be able to view lemmynsfw so this does not effect you. Especially since blahaj is an “unimportant” instance. You’ll be totally unaffected by it.
I understand that, I’m commenting on the message “You’ve got a problem community that needs to be purged, as does everyone associated with it”
Yeah I can’t say I disagree with Ada’s sentiment.
Everyone deserves to be loved even if they are an adult who has a baby face. I’m not interested in associating with people who think this content needs to be collected/curated because the involved people appear underaged.
To give some context, I am an adult women who appears younger than I am, and when I have had my body compared to a child’s body in a sexual way… well frankly, saying it was unwanted is an understatement. I just don’t buy any of these excuses lemmynsfw is giving. (Edit: I’m not trying to imply images are showing up on lemmynsfw without their owner’s concent. I just don’t want to be around a community that curates them because they look too young)
This is too much of a minefield to wade into, but I suppose if you’re on blahaj and disagree, transfer your subs to a new instance that federates with both, and you won’t notice the difference from before.
I don’t think it’s a minefield at all and you can see what sort of content is posted on that community to decide for yourself. There are some young looking women there, but it’s very easy to google their names and confirm they were paid age verified performers/actors/models whatever you wanna call them. Most of the content posted there are just adult looking women.
This is silly.
The community sidebar used the term “child-like.” That’s pretty disgusting and really disingenuous of the lemmynsfw admins to quietly change that and then pretend like nothing happened. Plus, redditors have already gone through all this with r/jailbait, so it’s not really silly to anybody who remembers that debacle.
Nowhere does the adorableporn community sidebar use the term “child-like”.
Why are you making things up?Correction: I see now. Yeah that’s a bit sketchy, but I can see their thought process. My apologies either way.
They changed it after Ada complained about the community
Edit: Proof: https://lemmynsfw.com/comment/682757
How long ago was this?
Until whenever it was when Ada complained
Edit: Proof: https://lemmynsfw.com/comment/682757
This is inaccurate. It did not say “childlike” at the time that Ada complained. After we got defederated, I asked a new mod of that community to update the sidebar because it was very light on rules, purpose, etc. and I thought that maybe our conflict with blahaj could have been avoided if the sidebar was more explicit about what the community was about. As part of his revision, on his first pass he copied and pasted a dictionary definition of “adorable” which included the word “childlike”, then went back and re-edited it to remove that word on a later editing pass. I want to say it was in there for about two hours? During that time, a couple of people spotted it and made some unwarranted assumptions.
That’s the beauty of the fediverse. If you disagree with your instance you can so easily pack up and move to another. Or self host.
Very sad, I can understand their reasoning, but defederation is the worst way to deal with problems
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It’s more dramatic to block a whole instance though, isn’t it?
Not the first time that person was looking around for reasons to be outraged and ban communities. I hope they decide to go isolated and defederate from all instances.
Illegal content should be removed in any case, but there is nothing illegal here.
Trans servers usually are extremely trigger happy with anything they slightly disagree with, so this is very on brand
doesn’t have to be illegal, to be unwanted, if you want to see all that nsfw stuff, browse that instance and subscribe to it’s communities, the great many of us, don’t want that fucking disgusting bullshit on our feeds without requesting it, is the issue, you see
Can you not opt out of seeing NSFW magazines? I see your acct is on kbin, pretty sure that’s an option.
Kbin users can even block a whole instance on a user-level as far as I’ve heard, which isn’t currently possible on Lemmy.
Why would you browse an unfiltered feed if it’s not what you want?
I always looked at it like walking down the street. Some people might disgust me, but it’s a shared space. Unless they persnoally harass me, I have no right to attack them.
Where did all these puritans come from?
America, usually.
Are you serious? America literally has some of the biggest porn producers in the world
Poof! That’s the sound of 20 million fundamentalists vanishing because you pointed out the existence of Brazzers
US is literally built by puritans. Which were forced out of Europe, because Europe didn’t like them.
And some of the most vocal hypocrites. An entire major political party is essentially based on it and continuously tries to push puritanical beliefs on everyone.
But you can block whatever communities you want. I’ve blocked a lot of different communities that have content I don’t like, and now they’re not in my feed.
you can block communities in your settings but I kinda agree you should also be able to block whole instances as a user
I’m on kbin and haven’t seen nsfw content on my feed once, you can just turn off the NSFW content in settings
I have NSFW turned on and the last NSFW post I saw was literally just a picture of a cat.
Well maybe its unwanted by you, but it might be wanted by someone else.
I have no problem with anything having its space as long as its legal.
I never saw a NSFW post on lemmy actually, I have NSFW content hidden by default and it works great. Even though I am not interested in that content, I can respect that some people are.
This is also why I think banning communities because someone felt slightly offended is not the way to go. Lemmy already has a good way of moderating content per user, and you can ban communities and never see their content. I dont think instance admins should be removing anything other than illegal content.
Illegal where? You can’t run a federated system and keep it functioning AND legal everywhere all the time. There are 100s of jurisdictions, each of them constantly changing the rules.
The fediverse is set up somewhere in the grey zone. It has all the disadvantages of decentralized system (has to communicate with untrusted peers), while also having all the disadvantages of centralized system (having childish admins, who are also bound by their local jurisdictions).
The general direction is good, and the p2p ecosystem is better than a decade ago, but this is still not the final form, I’m afraid.
I’m just glad that there’s a ton of money at stake in the big league, and large ISPs can’t afford to act like this most of the time.
Yes this is a honest concern, I tend to agree that there should be more freedom here, and things like piracy should be allowed. As well as total free speech, none of that paradox of tolerance bullshit everyone is trying to push whenever they want to censor someone.
However, I think though we can all agree that child abuse and CP is not allowed.
You can find an instance that supports the things you agree with (piracy and freedom in your case)
that paradox of tolerance bullshit
How is that bullshit?
Because it’s just a thought experiment that is taken dogmatically, while in reality is just used by fascists to censor the free speech
So, you have no arguments against it, you just don’t like that people use it to shut out intolerant discourse?
By the way, it’s not “just a thought experiment”. It’s a philosophical principle that Popper put out there as self-preservation for democratic societies. You can argue its merits all you want, but you haven’t so far.
It’s a thought experiment that was born out of the fucking Nuremberg Trials, you pillock. It was a reflection of what we did wrong as humanity. It’s hardly just some essay some bloke wrote. FFS pick up a history book once or twice.
Uncomfortable seeing “free speech is a good thing “ downvoted
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It’s not so much the fact that they defederated that’s noteworthy here, it’s the fact that the admin chose to do so based on a misunderstanding and refusal to admit that they were wrong about something which is concerning.
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If the instance just said, “we are noping out of all Porn and sexual based NSFW instances,” then there would be no drama. It needed no justification or explanation beyond that.
