Since when does the West Bank have restrictions on Journalists entering?

You don’t believe the president of the court you cite, okay then.

Any nation that murders at least 100,000 children is fucking evil. And those are not Hamas’s numbers. Those are the Lancet medical journals numbers.

That number is an estimate in an opinion piece, not a peer reviewed article. There’s no factual basis. The authors have already regretted putting the numbers in there.

People under 18 are not all children. Young adults of 17 definitely aren’t children like 3 year olds. Plenty of teenagers in Gaza are members of armed groups and participating in the fighting.

That is just one of the reasons the ICC, the organization literally with the legal authority to determine of some thing is genocide or not determined that Israel is plausibly committing genocide.

That is a misrepresentation of what the ICJ ruled. You can’t even tell apart the ICJ and the ICC, it seems. You can’t even get the organization right.

Here you can hear the President of the ICJ explain what is meant by plausible.

“At this stage of the proceedings, the Court is not called upon to determine definitively whether the rights which South Africa wishes to see protected exist,” said the ICJ. “It need only decide whether the rights claimed by South Africa, and for which it is seeking protection, are plausible. “In the Court’s view, the facts and circumstances… are sufficient to conclude that at least some of the rights claimed by South Africa and for which it is seeking protection are plausible.”

Plausible only refers to the right of South Africa to bring this case to the ICJ.

the ICJ had only ruled that Gaza Palestinians had a plausible right to be protected from genocide - in other words, that it had been dealing with a complex and somewhat abstract legal argument.

A day later, Joan Donoghue - now retired from the ICJ - appeared on the BBC’s HARDtalk programme and explicitly tried to end the debate by setting out what the court had done. “It did not decide - and this is something where I’m correcting what’s often said in the media… that the claim of genocide was plausible,” said the judge. “It did emphasise in the order that there was a risk of irreparable harm to the Palestinian right to be protected from genocide. But the shorthand that often appears, which is that there’s a plausible case of genocide, isn’t what the court decided.”

There’s no genocide going on. It’s a war against an extremely deeply entrenched enemy in a densely populated urban environment.

systemized rape, torture

Rape and torture have happened, but are not systemic.

Israel does questionable and bad things, for sure. However it’s not the most evil state ever, that it’s often depicted as.

Nuance, truth, and perspective of the other side are important in this conflict.

No, idea what you mean by predecessors.

no matter what happened in this single incident

Who cares about the truth.

No

Yes, the Oslo accords also had resistance in Israel. However Israel still made a peace offer and Arafat refused and launched the second intifada. Look up Intrafada to see political murders among Palestinians of the time.

Sure settlers suck and need to be stopped.

The number of dead is asymmetric because Palestinians send their children to attack, including as suicide bombers. Israel is vastly superior in equipment, training, and organization. Of course less Israelis are killed. This tells you nothing about morality, only which side is stronger. Would you be happier if the numbers were equal?

And about Nakba, I really wonder if tomorrow Russia expels 700K Ukrainians, and tell them that they cannot return to their homes you will again shrug it off and say that it is war and that’s what happens in war.

Do you think the great-grandchildren of Ukrainians who fled to Poland today will massacre Russians at a festival in 70 years?

German terrorists don’t shoot unguided rockets at Danzig. Polish terrorists don’t blow up buses in Lviv.

Yes, the human rights situation for Palestinians is bad. It’s especially bad under the Islamist dictatorship of Hamas and the police state of Abu Mazen.

This is for the staff, not the patients.

The Armenian genocide was horrible but nowhere near the level of the Holocaust.

I see you’re on the same train of holocaust denial.

Things can be bad without needing a holocaust or Nazi comparison.

Using Nazi and holocaust comparisons for Israel is always antisemitic in nature. It only serves demonization, delegitimization, hate mongering, and incitement.

Referring to the Gaza war as a new Holocaust, is Holocaust denial, which is antisemitic.

Zionism is a national liberation movement of an oppressed people. That’s the core.

Sure the settlers violence has to be stopped. Israel used to be much better at this. The voluntary disengagement from Gaza demonstrated that it’s able to do it. They dragged settlers from their houses. The current extremists in government Smotrich and Gvir are the problem. They will be out next election.

Yes, during the Nakba around 700,000 Palestinians fled. It was a war and people flee during wars from fighting and danger. If you compare this to other wars from that era it was minor. Have you ever considered what would have happened to the Jews if the Arabs had won Israel’s war of independence? It certainly would have been worse than moving 50 km inside the same country. Did the Zionists seize the opportunity to change the demographics in their favor? Yes.

Irgun and Lehi were always a tiny minority of the Jewish militias. The Haganah always stressed defensive operations before the war started. If you want to go back to the Mandatory days, please also mention the Hebron massacre and Arab revolt among others. Hamas has been the major political party among Palestinians since Fatah became more moderate. The approval ratings for Hamas are very high as you can see on PCPSR polls. Irgun/Lehi we’re fringe like PIJ maybe.

A huge part of the land assigned to Israel in the UN partition plan was the Negev desert. So yes, the Jews got more land, but also the worse land: mosquito plagued swamps and empty desert.

Instead of accepting a Jewish state as a neighbor, the Arabs chose war, which they then lost. The 1949 armistice line (green line, aka 1967 borders) was explicitly not a recognized border because the Arabs didn’t want to accept Israel’s existence. This pattern of not being able to compromise or even negotiate and wage war then repeated over and over. As a reference see the three Noes from Khartoum: no peace, no recognition, no negotiation.

Palestinian political leadership has been terrible since the grand mufti Al-Husseini, who was Hitler’s buddy. His legacy of antisemitism can still be seen in Abu Mazen, who wrote his thesis on holocaust denial. Palestinians are now at 100 years of bad political decisions and are still on a trajectory to make it worse. Their cause might be just, but they suck at execution. Every chance at peace is discarded because of unrealistic goals and inability to let the past go.

No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.

Having a claim doesn’t mean they should get it, no questions asked. Germany has a claim to Alsace, East Prussia, Danzig, and so on. Competing claims over the same land or resource are a foundational issue in politics.

I don’t think Palestinians want a piece of Germany. They tried to take over Jordan, which was part of the British Mandate for Palestine for a while. Palestinians have a good claim to Jordan because of this history and the fact they they’re the majority population of Jordan.

I never talked about justice. The obsession with “justice” (destroy Israel) in this case only leads to more violence and suffering.

Making peace with your enemy and finding coexistence and reconciliation is the better goal.

You can look up polls here as to what Palestinians support politically. https://www.pcpsr.org/en

You and what army?

Israel is less of an ethnostate than many other European and Asian countries.

Sharing the land in some kind of two state solution, federation, Emirates/Kanton system, is possible.

Israel would leave Lebanon alone if Hezbollah didn’t regularly attack. The Lebanon war in the 1980s only came about because of constant attacks against Israel from Lebanese soil.

Palestinians get more support than any similar group. Billions have been spent by the USA and Europe to build a state, economy, and peace. However Palestinians prefer to spend the money on pensions for terrorists instead of economic development and cooperation with their richest neighbor. The amount of support Palestinians get from the west is without equal.

Of course you go straight to an antisemitic Nazi comparison.