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    We’ve been saying from day one, that if Biden doesn’t move to the left and use every tool at his disposal to improve people’s material conditions, Trump’s going to win in 2024.

    Biden didn’t just not go left, he tried to outflank the republicans from the right by facilitating genocide, ending covid protections, and passing the most draconian border bill since like the 40s.

    This is the closest thing he could have done to handing Trump the presidency, short of appointing him VP and stepping down.

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      Outflanking the rights is a bad decision, because you put their extreme positions into mainstream.

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      he tried to outflank the republicans from the right

      You really expect to be taken seriously saying some idiotic shit like this?

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      Your hyperbole is over the top. Trump’s Title 42 and Muslim ban were far worse.

      POTUS has no reasonable control over grocery store prices, which is the part of the economy everyone is concerned with. Last time an Executive Order was used to price fix the food industry, it blew up in Nixon’s face. Supply chain constraints were industry wide, and when the order expired, prices went up far past standard inflation.

      I completely agree about support of Israel. The only comparison is knowing Trump will be worse for Palestinians. It’s terrible to reconcile, but those are the options.

      Abstaining isn’t voting for Trump, it’s refusing to stand in his way.

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        Supply chain constraints were industry wide, and when the order expired, prices went up far past standard inflation.

        Just a reminder to folks emphasizing that retailers used that as cover for corporate greed, and a lot of it was lies. Various links:

        https://dailymontanan.com/2024/03/27/trade-watchdog-big-retailers-used-supply-chain-problems-to-inflate-grocery-costs/

        https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/21/us/politics/grocery-prices-pandemic-ftc.html

        https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2023/07/retailers-have-been-cutting-costs-so-why-are-prices-still-so-high/

        Great quote from that Harvard one:

        HBS research suggests firms have held off lowering them because it appears consumers got used to paying more

        The FTC report that is the basis for the first three links above: https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/03/ftc-releases-report-grocery-supply-chain-disruptions

        And don’t get me started on shrinkflation.

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          That’s true of the post-pandemic food industry prices for sure. That description was regarding the failure of Nixon’s attempt to price fix with an Executive Order.

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            Oh sorry I was clearly not paying much attention to what I was reading. Thanks for the gentle correction.

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              No problem. Thank you for citing sources in your comment. I always appreciate substantiation in this world of misinformation.

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        Trump’s Title 42 and Muslim ban were far worse.

        Biden waited 3.5 years to end title 42 and tried to close the border. He has deported more people than Trump.

        POTUS has no reasonable control over grocery store prices

        He literally does though. But there’s a million other things he could have done when he had control. Instead we just get excuses about how powerless the party controlling both houses and the presidency was because of Manchin or the parliamentarian or the SCOTUS or some rules the dems set for themselves or norms or whatever.

        There’s no point in quibbling about whether Biden was less bad than trump, these actions decrease how many people will vote for him. Implementing policy that makes you lose the election is refusing to stand in republican’s way.

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          Wrong.

          Biden ended the Muslim Ban on Jan 21, 2021, the day after he was inaugurated.

          https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2021/01/21/biden-executive-order-ends-muslim-travel-ban-donald-trump/4240420001/

          He ended Title 42 on May 20, 2022, but the measure was stopped by federal judges. It took until May of 2023 to be completed.

          https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/20/title-42-border-judge-ruling-migrants/

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            Nobody is talking about the Muslim ban, we’re talking about the more recent attempt to close the mexican border.

            But it’s irrelevant, you’re still missing the point.

            My point is that Biden’s unpopular actions decrease how many people will vote for him. This is how Biden ensures Trump will come to power.

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              Did you not read the second half of my comment? He ended Title 42 a year and a half after taking office. Federal judges stopped it for a year.

              You wrote three and a half years.

              You fabricate lies in your comments often. I will always call out misinformation.

              Cite your sources and stop with the lies.

              Biden has done plenty of good where Trump did nothing or actively worsened things for the working class, minorities, and the planet. You only select Biden’s worst policies to define his presidency.

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                It doesn’t matter if his excuse was some court he can just ignore and face no consequences asked him to keep it in place or if did it on a whim, he had the power to change it, he didn’t use it. It was in place for like 3 and a half years.

                You’re not calling out misinformation, you’re quibbling.

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                  You inflated his inaction on Title 42 by two years. Quibbling my ass. I’m calling you a liar. This is not the first time I’ve called you out on false information.

                  Something tells me it won’t be the last.

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                    He took an action that took 3 years to complete instead of ending it on day one and telling the courts to fuck off.

                    That’s keeping it in place for 3 years.

                    This isn’t misinformation, this is you being intentionally dense.

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          @disguy_ovahea

          You shouldn’t engage with this guy. Its always a bait and switch/ false premise/ straw man with this guy.

          You make a point about an actual bill (the mexican border bill), he makes it about trump and a muslim ban.

          Its always in bad faith. Its a condition of blue MAGA.

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            Read the thread you’re so confident in condemning.

            I cited all of my statements while your friend here repeatedly made false claims.

            Maybe you two should get a place together in misinformation land.

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                In 2016 I voted for Bernie in the primary, and Hillary in the election.

                Using my civic duty to compromise for the lesser of two evils does not make me a fascist.

                Name calling is unproductive and childish. Have a conversation or find someone else to use as your stepladder to superiority.

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        If you look at many people’s material conditions during Trump and during Biden, they haven’t gotten better. You can say whatever you want about Biden’s policies, his cabinet appointments, and how much Democrats have done when they hold power, but at the end of the day it hasn’t changed most folks’ lives one bit. It might be good metric-wise, but until folks feel like they’re better off it doesn’t matter.

        Also, it’s hilarious to me how much shit Republicans seem to get done even when they don’t hold the House, Senate, and White House together, but the minute Republicans get one of those, suddenly it’s “oh shit Democrats can’t do anything”. It’s like Republicans are playing with nukes and Democrats are showing up with rubber band guns.

        And no, I won’t be voting for Biden, I’ll be voting third party. And I know, you think “a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump”, but I don’t give a shit. I’ve been seeing this same “at least I’m not…” shit for 25 years and watching our country be sold to the highest bidder under both parties. At this point, if we can’t figure out shit out, we deserve to be razed to the ground.

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      Biden didn’t just not go left, he tried to outflank the republicans from the right by facilitating genocide, ending covid protections, and passing the most draconian border bill since like the 40s.

      This is one of the worst examples of confirmation bias I have ever seen. The Biden Administration’s entire record is out there for you to peruse, and you pick 3 things out of hundreds, possibly thousands, that you think justify your comparison.