That’s a narrow line and the core to this discourse, I believe.
From your initial standpoint (as I’ve read it, you can shit me) we punish many women from a country A over arbitrary clothing reqs.
From my standpoint we punish the state first, because it can’t get the international status it really wants while limiting their women themselves.
And I’m not with the Olympic Comittee, but I feel like making such a gating requirement may make a state rethink their policies or make an exclusion, without the whole Olympic community making an exclusion just for them.
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Participating in Olympics is a status thing, a priviledge for a state, that’s why many want to join the club and even show they are capable of bringing these games home. That’s why Hitler’s Germany held them in 1936 and Soviets held them in 1980. That’s why today’s pariah states still participate in it under sn empry banner. Cockblocking a state from that harms select participants but it’s more of a reputational damage to the state that couldn’t fit this requirement, or a drug one, or something else.
ed: either way, it’s my longest debate since reddit and you are a good party to have one with
And I’m saying if that’s the case, bar them from competing entirely until they allow women to compete without a hijab. Because, again, otherwise you’re only punishing the women. Which would also discourage other women from athletic competition since they know that the men will never be punished for these sorts of things.
Also, don’t you think women on those teams should be given the choice rather than be forced to either wear them or not wear them?
I’d bar them completely if it’s for me to decide, because it’s indeed counter-intuitive to ban women from a state where sportswomen are a rare occasion. Or ban only their men from them? Hugh, lmao. That’s why no one gives me such power.
Your second paragraph adresses this exact junction of muslimhood and feminism. It’s weird for me, a drunk and uncultured man, to decide something for women, and then muslim women, but I feel it’s perceived differently in the western and eastern perspectives.
Then don’t let them compete at all.
They are gated from competing because they have a religious insignia over their head, right?
No, I mean don’t let the country compete at all.
Because otherwise it sounds to me like some women are being punished. And that doesn’t exactly scream feminism to me.
That’s a narrow line and the core to this discourse, I believe.
From your initial standpoint (as I’ve read it, you can shit me) we punish many women from a country A over arbitrary clothing reqs.
From my standpoint we punish the state first, because it can’t get the international status it really wants while limiting their women themselves.
And I’m not with the Olympic Comittee, but I feel like making such a gating requirement may make a state rethink their policies or make an exclusion, without the whole Olympic community making an exclusion just for them.
.
Participating in Olympics is a status thing, a priviledge for a state, that’s why many want to join the club and even show they are capable of bringing these games home. That’s why Hitler’s Germany held them in 1936 and Soviets held them in 1980. That’s why today’s pariah states still participate in it under sn empry banner. Cockblocking a state from that harms select participants but it’s more of a reputational damage to the state that couldn’t fit this requirement, or a drug one, or something else.
ed: either way, it’s my longest debate since reddit and you are a good party to have one with
And I’m saying if that’s the case, bar them from competing entirely until they allow women to compete without a hijab. Because, again, otherwise you’re only punishing the women. Which would also discourage other women from athletic competition since they know that the men will never be punished for these sorts of things.
Also, don’t you think women on those teams should be given the choice rather than be forced to either wear them or not wear them?
I’d bar them completely if it’s for me to decide, because it’s indeed counter-intuitive to ban women from a state where sportswomen are a rare occasion. Or ban only their men from them? Hugh, lmao. That’s why no one gives me such power.
Your second paragraph adresses this exact junction of muslimhood and feminism. It’s weird for me, a drunk and uncultured man, to decide something for women, and then muslim women, but I feel it’s perceived differently in the western and eastern perspectives.