Oh, sure, my bad! That makes it okay. If other countries do it, it’s ok, right? Also, is California known for oppressing women as much as Iraq (or muslim countries in general)?
By the way, in case you didn’t know, what you just did is called whataboutism.
No, neither is okay, but at least it doesn’t make Iraq uniquely wrong in this. What I’m saying is that there are shit laws all over the world, and trying to move past them should be celebrated, instead of “well they are unwashed Muslim barbarians, look at how much better our culture is”.
All I’m saying is don’t “start with Islam”, all of this shit is equally bad.
I mean, you only can see so many news about women, gay people, trans people and everyone else being oppressed in islamist countries before you get pissed off a little.
And they want to bring that shit here. That’s not made up by me, that’s their words. I’m not against immigrants - anyone who wants to escape those shitholes is welcome if I have anything to say.
I’m just saying that we should not tolerate that violent cult. If you want to believe that god thinks a man is above women, that gay should be stoned to death and other nice things in this “religion of peace”, your place is far away from where civilized people live.
And if you’re a religious leader who puts these nonsenses into other people’s heads, you should be jailed for endangering the public.
Where? Look, I’m not saying Iraq is a shining beacon of humanist values, but 4 US states have no minimum marriage age, and the age of consent is 12-14 in a bunch of EU countries as well.
When I was a kid, my 14 year old classmate married a 68 year old priest. This shit is everywhere and not specific to Islam.
I’m not saying Iraq is a shining beacon of humanist values
That sounds like a really huge understatement. That’s like saying Mengele didn’t have the best bedside manners with his patients.
I can’t really speak for the US, I was talking mainly about Europe. My country has an age of consent of 15 and I’m pretty fine with that. I think 14 is fine as well, though there would need to be some exceptions, like only with similar-age people. 12 sounds too young, but I really don’t know the specific laws of the EU countries, hopefully it’s not as simple as “you’re 12 now, you can get fucked by a persuasive 40yo and all’s fine”.
If nothing else, you most likely already hit puberty when you’re 12 which cannot really be said for 9 years old. Muslims wanting to marry 9 year olds is regular pedophilia and/or slavery. You basically buy a 9yo kid, beat her a few times a day if she doesn’t listen to what you say or doesn’t do what you want her to do, if you’re a pedo you rape her when you want to, if you’re not a pedo you wait a few years until you start raping. I don’t think anything similar is happening in any EU country at scale (there are always exceptions of course, but the difference is they have to hide it from everyone because the society is not okay with it).
And sure, everyone always argues “but it’s not the religion” and yeah, maybe they’re partially right. My two counterpoints are that their religion specifically says that their Sharia “law” is the only permissible law and way too many muslims believe that. And the other counterpoint is purely statistical: If there’s too much correlation between two things, you should maybe be a little more cautious.
Add to that my beef with adult people who believe in imaginary beings ruling over their life and murdering, raping and enslaving in the name of said imaginary beings. On this particular point I don’t really care whether you believe in a pedophile prophet or a sure-to-be-white Jesus who hates gays or an all-knowing god who can’t make his goddamn mind and destroys the world for shit and giggles.
Note that I’m not saying we should stop immigration or whatever, I’m fine with immigrants, I just think we should ban the religion. And put people responsible for the brainwashing into prison, like we would do with any other cult that promotes violence.
When I was a kid, my 14 year old classmate married a 68 year old priest.
So on the one hand, I didn’t read the article, and from the headline saying “Iraq amends bad law” I thought they are going from marrying 9 year olds to something more sensible, but they seem to be moving in the opposite direction. I was a moron, and I do apologize for that.
On the other hand, I wasn’t saying any of this to make excuses for either the Islamic world or Iraq. It’s just that we also have so much shit to clean up on our own plate, that laughing at the Middle East seems counterprodctive as to me, it tries to relativize our own shittyness. I’m not saying that it’s not horrendous, but we can do precious little about it, while we can do much more about Hungarian oligarchs using orphanages as brothels (I’m sadly not making this up).
I heard about a dude who killed someone with a teaspoon. I think we should ban teaspoons.
See how ridiculous that is. It’s on the same level as you grouping billions of people together by the actions of a few.
White priests were molesting children so by your metric everyone following that religion was also doing that.
Edit: I live in Manchester, UK. Whenever something bad has happened in the city. The Muslim community are the first ones out here feeding people and taking care of people via volunteering or whatever.
White priests were molesting children so by your metric everyone following that religion was also doing that.
No, if you actually read what I wrote: all the priests should go to jail and the religion should be banned. I think I’ve gone enough against the Lemmy hive-mind even without you putting your (surely unintended) lies into my mouth.
I heard about a dude who killed someone with a teaspoon.
How unfortunate! Once you start hearing about it every other week, maybe we should do something about that, cause that would imply spoons make it easier to kill someone and should be banned. Like we do with guns, you know?
As with guns, spoons, or religion, it’s the people that are the problem, not the instruments they use. But if you take away their tools, it gets harder for them.
Yet you don’t see how you generalising billions of people by the actions of a minuscule fraction of those.
Religion doesn’t enable people to do these things. Bad people do and if it wasn’t religion it would be something else.
How many teachers also molest children? Teaching isn’t something we should ban, so it isn’t the tool. It’s people that gravitate towards things that will get them access to children.
Religion doesn’t enable people to do these things.
True! Religion just makes it possible to control masses for the leaders. And a clearer consciousness for the bad actors. After all, how can it be bad if the speaker for the god himself told you it’s okay?
Without religion bad actors would rise up, because they’re bad
True. So we should allow violent pedophile cults to continue in the meantime? No progress at all, until we find the perfect solution? Which doesn’t exist, so just “no progress at all”?
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No.
Yes.
Would you apply the same to Christianity?
If you read my comment history, you know I would. But I’d start with islam, just because they’re currently the more crazy ones.
More crazy then evangelical Christians in the USA? More crazy than Jewish Rabbis supporting genocide of Palestinians?
No idea, but they definitely have more power than the US idiots.
Just about the same. But only muslims want to export their “religion” to the world, so that would still be my focus.
You realize that Iraq’s current minimum marriage age of 8 is exactly 8 years higher than California’s minimum age of 0?
Oh, sure, my bad! That makes it okay. If other countries do it, it’s ok, right? Also, is California known for oppressing women as much as Iraq (or muslim countries in general)?
By the way, in case you didn’t know, what you just did is called whataboutism.
No, neither is okay, but at least it doesn’t make Iraq uniquely wrong in this. What I’m saying is that there are shit laws all over the world, and trying to move past them should be celebrated, instead of “well they are unwashed Muslim barbarians, look at how much better our culture is”.
All I’m saying is don’t “start with Islam”, all of this shit is equally bad.
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Well that comment went 0-100 in no time flat
I mean, you only can see so many news about women, gay people, trans people and everyone else being oppressed in islamist countries before you get pissed off a little.
And they want to bring that shit here. That’s not made up by me, that’s their words. I’m not against immigrants - anyone who wants to escape those shitholes is welcome if I have anything to say.
I’m just saying that we should not tolerate that violent cult. If you want to believe that god thinks a man is above women, that gay should be stoned to death and other nice things in this “religion of peace”, your place is far away from where civilized people live.
And if you’re a religious leader who puts these nonsenses into other people’s heads, you should be jailed for endangering the public.
Where? Look, I’m not saying Iraq is a shining beacon of humanist values, but 4 US states have no minimum marriage age, and the age of consent is 12-14 in a bunch of EU countries as well.
When I was a kid, my 14 year old classmate married a 68 year old priest. This shit is everywhere and not specific to Islam.
That sounds like a really huge understatement. That’s like saying Mengele didn’t have the best bedside manners with his patients.
I can’t really speak for the US, I was talking mainly about Europe. My country has an age of consent of 15 and I’m pretty fine with that. I think 14 is fine as well, though there would need to be some exceptions, like only with similar-age people. 12 sounds too young, but I really don’t know the specific laws of the EU countries, hopefully it’s not as simple as “you’re 12 now, you can get fucked by a persuasive 40yo and all’s fine”.
If nothing else, you most likely already hit puberty when you’re 12 which cannot really be said for 9 years old. Muslims wanting to marry 9 year olds is regular pedophilia and/or slavery. You basically buy a 9yo kid, beat her a few times a day if she doesn’t listen to what you say or doesn’t do what you want her to do, if you’re a pedo you rape her when you want to, if you’re not a pedo you wait a few years until you start raping. I don’t think anything similar is happening in any EU country at scale (there are always exceptions of course, but the difference is they have to hide it from everyone because the society is not okay with it).
And sure, everyone always argues “but it’s not the religion” and yeah, maybe they’re partially right. My two counterpoints are that their religion specifically says that their Sharia “law” is the only permissible law and way too many muslims believe that. And the other counterpoint is purely statistical: If there’s too much correlation between two things, you should maybe be a little more cautious.
Add to that my beef with adult people who believe in imaginary beings ruling over their life and murdering, raping and enslaving in the name of said imaginary beings. On this particular point I don’t really care whether you believe in a pedophile prophet or a sure-to-be-white Jesus who hates gays or an all-knowing god who can’t make his goddamn mind and destroys the world for shit and giggles.
Note that I’m not saying we should stop immigration or whatever, I’m fine with immigrants, I just think we should ban the religion. And put people responsible for the brainwashing into prison, like we would do with any other cult that promotes violence.
That would not be possible in my country.
So on the one hand, I didn’t read the article, and from the headline saying “Iraq amends bad law” I thought they are going from marrying 9 year olds to something more sensible, but they seem to be moving in the opposite direction. I was a moron, and I do apologize for that.
On the other hand, I wasn’t saying any of this to make excuses for either the Islamic world or Iraq. It’s just that we also have so much shit to clean up on our own plate, that laughing at the Middle East seems counterprodctive as to me, it tries to relativize our own shittyness. I’m not saying that it’s not horrendous, but we can do precious little about it, while we can do much more about Hungarian oligarchs using orphanages as brothels (I’m sadly not making this up).
I heard about a dude who killed someone with a teaspoon. I think we should ban teaspoons.
See how ridiculous that is. It’s on the same level as you grouping billions of people together by the actions of a few.
White priests were molesting children so by your metric everyone following that religion was also doing that.
Edit: I live in Manchester, UK. Whenever something bad has happened in the city. The Muslim community are the first ones out here feeding people and taking care of people via volunteering or whatever.
No, if you actually read what I wrote: all the priests should go to jail and the religion should be banned. I think I’ve gone enough against the Lemmy hive-mind even without you putting your (surely unintended) lies into my mouth.
How unfortunate! Once you start hearing about it every other week, maybe we should do something about that, cause that would imply spoons make it easier to kill someone and should be banned. Like we do with guns, you know?
As with guns, spoons, or religion, it’s the people that are the problem, not the instruments they use. But if you take away their tools, it gets harder for them.
Yet you don’t see how you generalising billions of people by the actions of a minuscule fraction of those.
Religion doesn’t enable people to do these things. Bad people do and if it wasn’t religion it would be something else.
How many teachers also molest children? Teaching isn’t something we should ban, so it isn’t the tool. It’s people that gravitate towards things that will get them access to children.
True! Religion just makes it possible to control masses for the leaders. And a clearer consciousness for the bad actors. After all, how can it be bad if the speaker for the god himself told you it’s okay?
Again. Without religion bad actors would rise up, because they’re bad and that’s just what it takes to rise up.
Enough people are controlled in the west without religion, well I guess you could say capitalism is a religion for some.
True. So we should allow violent pedophile cults to continue in the meantime? No progress at all, until we find the perfect solution? Which doesn’t exist, so just “no progress at all”?