• Move to lemm.ee@lemmy.world
    1·
    1 year ago

    You claim me to be “ideologically illiterate,” then go on to agree with me that socialism isn’t communism. That doesn’t speak well of your reading comprehension or intentions.

    Two sides of the same coin. Socialists all understand that socialism is the transitionary stage between capitalism and communism.

    I didn’t make any claims about corruption. My claims are with outcomes, which I maintain are worse under communism.

    Prove it. I cited research that shows you are wrong, you’re simply ignoring the facts.

    Child mortality has trended down over the last century in almost every capitalist nation, not just China. Even the really corrupt African nations.

    Wow one data point! Incredible. Now do deaths from starvation, lack of clean water and curable disease. 20million die per year.

    No, and this is the central argumentative failure under this dogma. Maybe people just don’t want mass redistribution? Maybe what you want isn’t what everyone else wants? Is that really so hard to accept as a possible reality? The Frankfurt School accepted this in the 1930s under the premise that “people’s lives are just too good under capitalism to ever want to move to communism.”

    Holy shit your argument is “I don’t want these people to live so it’s ok”. Colonial brained monster.

    • JasSmith@kbin.social
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      1 year ago

      Two sides of the same coin. Socialists all understand that socialism is the transitionary stage between capitalism and communism.

      We continue to agree: they are not the same. Particularly democratic socialism.

      Prove it. I cited research that shows you are wrong, you’re simply ignoring the facts.

      The cited research relied on national reported statistics in its methodology. North Korea just isn’t a reliable source. Neither is China; which, by the way, is also classified as a socialist country. Further, the researchers normalised income, which radically altered the conclusion. Without doing that, the capitalist countries win by a country mile. You would have known that had you actually read the study you cited.

      To defend my premise, I would like like to cite all former and current communist countries, including:

      Korea, Democratic Peoples Rep. (North Korea)
      Armenia
      Azerbaijan
      China
      Georgia
      Kazakhstan
      Kyrgyzstan
      Laos, Peoples Democratic Republic
      Mongolia
      Nepal
      Tajikistan
      Tibet
      Uzbekistan
      Vietnam
      Armenia
      Azerbaijan
      China
      Georgia
      Kazakhstan
      Kyrgyzstan
      Laos, Peoples Democratic Republic
      Mongolia
      Nepal
      Russia
      Tajikistan
      Tibet
      Turkmenistan
      Uzbekistan
      Vietnam
      Europe
      Albania
      Belarus
      Bosnia & Herzegovina (Yugoslavia)
      Bulgaria
      Croatia (Yugoslavia)
      Czech Republic (Czechoslovakia)
      Estonia
      Finland
      Germany (German Democratic Republic)
      Greece
      Hungary
      Latvia
      Lithuania
      Macedonia, FYR (Yugoslavia)
      Moldova
      Montenegro (Yugoslavia)
      Poland
      Romania
      Serbia (Yugoslavia)
      Slovakia (Czechoslovakia)
      Slovenia (Yugoslavia)
      Spain
      Ukraine
      Angola
      Ethiopia
      Mozambique
      Colombia
      Cuba
      Nicaragua
      Peru

      Most of these countries are doing much better since eliminating communism. The data is irrefutable.

      Wow one data point! Incredible. Now do deaths from starvation, lack of clean water and curable disease. 20million die per year.

      I literally cited global hunger rates. I encourage you to read my comments above to refresh your memory.

      Global access to clean water has been trending up for more than a century.

      Child deaths from pneumonia.

      Diarrheal deaths in children.

      Disease burden from communicable, maternal, neonatal & nutritional diseases.

      I could do this all day, but you made the claim. Let’s see some evidence that capitalist nations do worse than communist nations.

      Holy shit your argument is “I don’t want these people to live so it’s ok”. Colonial brained monster.

      Once again, creating straw men. No one argued for killing anyone. Do you do his because your argument is weak? Does that normally work for you?