Islam actually. It’s not a dogmatic religion like Christianity and it relies on more solid proofs than Christianity.
Edit: I knew once I named the religion people would start throwing insults. That wasn’t the point, the religion has some actual scientific and philosophical proofs and does NOT require you to “just believe in something we can’t see.”
Read what I said again more carefully. Islam doesn’t rely on the same proofs of Christianity or Judaism even though they have overlapping beliefs. My religion does not require you to believe a man died and came back to life, but instead points to observable scientific and philosophical truths as its basis.
“observable scientific and philosophical truths” cannot point to an existence of any sort of higher power, by the very definition of a higher power. All you can do is believe in a higher power, all religion is dogma.
That’s not at all true by definition, and you’re embracing a Christian mindset if you think that way. Other religions don’t ask you to turn off your brain and embrace dogma. Literally every aspect of Islam is up for debate and relies on reasoning and evidence to back it up.
That’s a lame attempt at a cheap shot. I’m talking about how the Quran actually lays out scientific and philosophical arguments for the existence of God. You bringing up something unrelated doesn’t invalidate that. Grow up, troll.
There are no scientific arguments for the existence of god. Science requires evidence, religion requires faith. Religious people assume that scientific questions that we can’t answer are evidence of the hand of god, but they are in fact only evidence that we have more to learn about the universe.
Again, you’re talking about religion when you only mean Christianity. Islam has evidence, unlike other religions, and unlike Christianity there is no conflict between science and Islam.
You have yet to name one piece of Islam’s so-called evidence. Some of the greatest minds in history have tried and failed to prove the existence of god. I will await for you to enlighten us. By all means, please share.
Some of the greatest minds in history have proved the existence of God, but atheists immediately dismiss them because they don’t agree with the conclusion. This is an old rehashed argument, even when atheists become convinced of religion the other atheists retrospectively try to invalidate them. I could show you a long list of evidence but if you don’t have an open mind to actually read it and instead pre-dismiss me before I even post it then I’m just wasting my time. Peace.
Honestly that would take too long to explain in a Lemmy comment, this is something that would require talking in person or reading some long form pieces. The short answer is that the Quran makes raises multiple rhetorical questions to demonstrate the existence of a Creator and even references some scientific points that people 1400 years ago would not have known (from space to embryology to future prophesies that came true). If one were to send a message to Earth 1400 years ago to demonstrate that it’s not fake, this would fit.
“Prove to me that Covid vaccines work. Oh, you won’t summarize immunology and epidemiology in a single Lemmy post while people call you a liar? So there’s no proof then.”
That’s how you sound. I’m not going to AGAIN write a long post proving something that nobody here will bother to read. You have access to whole libraries online, and I can point you to good resources and explanations but I can’t teach people who don’t care.
I’m no scholar of science (like scholar of religion), but I think science allow ordinary people to share science understanding.
So about the COVID vaccines, I’ll just say, chickenpox vaccines stopped deaths from smallpox. So, COVID vaccines will stop deaths from COVID. And anyone can come at me with better facts and numbers.
But religion just disallow all discussions, only scholar can do teachings. This one sided teaching, doesn’t allow fact checking, hence the stupid me won’t believe easily. (We living in this era should not be easily believe everything to avoid scam, so it’s just an unbiased practice of scepticism, nothing personal against religion) I think.
None of those prove anything, they’re just random statements that are true (ish), especially the one about pairs is funny because that completely depends on whatever you consider a pair and what you even consider real
For the example of “clairvoyance” into future, does that mean anyone or thing coincidentally exhibit “clairvoyance” becomes something holy?
So to say, we appreciate supernatural beings, but we don’t follow everything else beside that “clairvoyance” ability?
Let say everything bound to happen, even superbeings can’t change it. Then we have option to try prescribed method or science method, to deal with such arrangement. No harm trying, since even god doesn’t want to change the bad things away, anyways, right. Might as well die trying the science ways. If such, what else left for people to follow those teachings, if they don’t want to explain such teachings’ reasons? Right?
The author of this meme doesn’t understand religion, or only meant Christianity.
My religion doesn’t work this way and has demonstrable proofs.
What religion is that
Islam actually. It’s not a dogmatic religion like Christianity and it relies on more solid proofs than Christianity.
Edit: I knew once I named the religion people would start throwing insults. That wasn’t the point, the religion has some actual scientific and philosophical proofs and does NOT require you to “just believe in something we can’t see.”
Oof.
No it doesn’t they come from the same Abrahamic source, your fairytale is no more real than theirs.
Read what I said again more carefully. Islam doesn’t rely on the same proofs of Christianity or Judaism even though they have overlapping beliefs. My religion does not require you to believe a man died and came back to life, but instead points to observable scientific and philosophical truths as its basis.
“observable scientific and philosophical truths” cannot point to an existence of any sort of higher power, by the very definition of a higher power. All you can do is believe in a higher power, all religion is dogma.
That’s not at all true by definition, and you’re embracing a Christian mindset if you think that way. Other religions don’t ask you to turn off your brain and embrace dogma. Literally every aspect of Islam is up for debate and relies on reasoning and evidence to back it up.
If you say so. I guess An-Nisa, 34 is completely provable and not dogmatic.
That’s a lame attempt at a cheap shot. I’m talking about how the Quran actually lays out scientific and philosophical arguments for the existence of God. You bringing up something unrelated doesn’t invalidate that. Grow up, troll.
There are no scientific arguments for the existence of god. Science requires evidence, religion requires faith. Religious people assume that scientific questions that we can’t answer are evidence of the hand of god, but they are in fact only evidence that we have more to learn about the universe.
Again, you’re talking about religion when you only mean Christianity. Islam has evidence, unlike other religions, and unlike Christianity there is no conflict between science and Islam.
You have yet to name one piece of Islam’s so-called evidence. Some of the greatest minds in history have tried and failed to prove the existence of god. I will await for you to enlighten us. By all means, please share.
Some of the greatest minds in history have proved the existence of God, but atheists immediately dismiss them because they don’t agree with the conclusion. This is an old rehashed argument, even when atheists become convinced of religion the other atheists retrospectively try to invalidate them. I could show you a long list of evidence but if you don’t have an open mind to actually read it and instead pre-dismiss me before I even post it then I’m just wasting my time. Peace.
By 'lays out" you mean “kinda close if you squint”.
Muhammad split the moon in half?
I have no idea, but that’s not on the list of proofs or evidence.
Sure it is. Just not your list.
Proof like?
Honestly that would take too long to explain in a Lemmy comment, this is something that would require talking in person or reading some long form pieces. The short answer is that the Quran makes raises multiple rhetorical questions to demonstrate the existence of a Creator and even references some scientific points that people 1400 years ago would not have known (from space to embryology to future prophesies that came true). If one were to send a message to Earth 1400 years ago to demonstrate that it’s not fake, this would fit.
Ok so you got nothing
“Prove to me that Covid vaccines work. Oh, you won’t summarize immunology and epidemiology in a single Lemmy post while people call you a liar? So there’s no proof then.”
That’s how you sound. I’m not going to AGAIN write a long post proving something that nobody here will bother to read. You have access to whole libraries online, and I can point you to good resources and explanations but I can’t teach people who don’t care.
I’m no scholar of science (like scholar of religion), but I think science allow ordinary people to share science understanding.
So about the COVID vaccines, I’ll just say, chickenpox vaccines stopped deaths from smallpox. So, COVID vaccines will stop deaths from COVID. And anyone can come at me with better facts and numbers.
But religion just disallow all discussions, only scholar can do teachings. This one sided teaching, doesn’t allow fact checking, hence the stupid me won’t believe easily. (We living in this era should not be easily believe everything to avoid scam, so it’s just an unbiased practice of scepticism, nothing personal against religion) I think.
Just name 1 or stfu
Just a few https://hafizon.com/quran/quran-miracles-18-scientific-and-linguistic-miracles-found-in-quran.html
Hmm ok none of those claims would prove that Islam is real and god is a thing. Can you tell us why you think they did?
I suppose we shall agree to disagree.
None of those prove anything, they’re just random statements that are true (ish), especially the one about pairs is funny because that completely depends on whatever you consider a pair and what you even consider real
Boom. There it is.
Sorry but Islam does not have demonstrable, unfalsifiable proof. Just another religion.
For the example of “clairvoyance” into future, does that mean anyone or thing coincidentally exhibit “clairvoyance” becomes something holy?
So to say, we appreciate supernatural beings, but we don’t follow everything else beside that “clairvoyance” ability?
Let say everything bound to happen, even superbeings can’t change it. Then we have option to try prescribed method or science method, to deal with such arrangement. No harm trying, since even god doesn’t want to change the bad things away, anyways, right. Might as well die trying the science ways. If such, what else left for people to follow those teachings, if they don’t want to explain such teachings’ reasons? Right?
Just my thoughts…
Wrong
“not my religion!”