• LaChaleurDeLaNuit@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Last I heard Israel is a legitimate country created in agreement by the UN.

    Whether YOU personally agree it should exist or not is a different subject.

    I hate the Israeli government and the direction it is taking in these recent times but:

    1. Gaza wasn’t stolen, it was literally given back in 2005
    2. Hamas took power in 2007 and hasn’t left ever since.

    I don’t condone the extension of settlement nor brainwashing of the population but if you’re against thevery existence of the state of Israel then we don’t have much to talk about.

    • duffman@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      Gaza wasn’t stolen, it was literally given back in 2005

      They had to evict a bunch of isrealis from their homes to do so, I remember watching videos of that online when it happened.

    • Ratman@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      The fact that Isreal was created in agreement with the UN does not change a thing for the palestinians who lost their homes in the process. The UN did not have the right to do that and the zionists in the early days behaved much like the hamas do now.

    • boyi@lemmy.sdf.org
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      1 year ago

      Hamas took power in 2007 and hasn’t left ever since.

      Not accurate. Hamas was denied power when they won 2006 election, voted by the people off course. Fatah still wanted to cling to power even though they lost. And The West wanted Fatah to remain even though they lost democratically because Fatah can be brought into nego and Hamas is a designated as a terrorist org by them, off course. At the end, Hamas was only able to administer Gaza as that’s where Fatah wasn’t able to exert their control.

    • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
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      1 year ago

      Watch the documentary, The Mayor, and then tell me your opinions on Israel / Palestine. Palestinians are brutalized. Israel is a shit state, regarding policy. I don’t condone violence. Israel brings violence upon itself via violence against Palestinians.

      • DarthBueller@lemmy.world
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        1 year ago

        Palestine brings violence against itself via violence against Israelis. Blowing up public busses, nightclubs, open air markets, in a way specifically designed to cause mass casualty, does wonders to make the average Israeli not give a fuck about the Palestinian cause or the righteousness or lack thereof of the Israeli government. Showing me lopsided casualty reports does not change this reality.

        • AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          I don’t really blame them. Were I in their position, I’d probably be doing exactly what they’re doing. They’re fighting for their existence against a whole world that wants them dead. That’s gotta make you feel so hopeless, you stop caring about the humanity of your oppressors. Might as well hurt them as much as possible before they kill you off.

          Better than sitting around for Israel to murder you for your land. I wish the Palestinians luck in their fight, and I hope they bring such deep and unwavering sadness to Israel that the very rocks of that defiled land weep blood at their folly.

    • Catradora-Stalinism☭@lemmygrad.ml
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      1 year ago

      Gaza is being blockaded, not allowing food, water, and really just anything inside. They are committing genocide RIGHT NOW. Palestine will fight back.

    • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
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      1 year ago

      I don’t think many people are against the existence of the state of Israel.

      Many people, however, are against the official and unofficial policies of the state of Israel, where they simply allow right extremist settlers steal houses from Palestinians, and if these people resist the state is all to happy to defend their own, even though all the actions are plain and simply WRONG. I’m not even saying illegal here because half the time thee actions are perfectly legal within the state of Israel.

      Israel as a state is fine, the right extremists that would love to orchestrate a genocide of their own, you know, a bit of pat back, is not.