I see so much support for the Hamas here in Lemmy. And I dont know why. I dont really no much about middle east conflict but everything I’ve ever heard about the Hamas was terrible and crule. Maybe its Propaganda but then things like this happens. Even IF it was a Soldier and not just a civillian this is nothing a Regime which is worth supporting does. This is just wrong.
I think this story should be engaged with some nuance: I for example think Hamas is evil. But that does not mean I support Israel. Israel denies Palestinians their basic human rights, kills innocent people, and displaces people from their homes. It places palestinians as second class citizens.
They would be doing this whether or not there was a villain to oppose them, and they do it both when Hamas attacks and when they don’t. They have an absurd amount of wealth and power. They have a military that absolutely crushes people when they do their thing, both in “peace” time and at war. The evil that Israel is capable of is simply not accessible to the likes of Hamas.
One becomes the other pretty frequently and pretty easily.
See May 28, 2020 in Minneapolis where, connected to the ongoing protests Montez Terriel Lee burned down Max It Pawn Shop. There’s literally video footage of him pouring the accelerant, lighting it, and standing outside the burning building saying something to the effect of “Fuck this place. We’re gonna burn this shit down.”. Folks like you basically cheered the footage on social media.
It was almost two months later before we found out the building wasn’t empty when he burned it down, when authorities found a body in the rubble. ME said he died from thermal injury and smoke inhalation, aka he was burned to death. Which is a horrible way to go. So “the voice of the unheard” delivered the message “Were gonna burn this shit down” over a human barbecue.
I see very very little actual support of Hamas so far but a TON of people complaining about seeing support of Hamas.
I browse “everything” in Sync for Lemmy on Android if that helps. There more posts complaining about posts than actual problem posts.
Hamas is inhumane; Israel is inhumane. Both things can be true at the same time.
I think lemmy.world defederated from the instances where you would see those posts. My understanding is that even if you are browsing “everything” you still won’t see those instances. There’s places to check who defederated what n’such.
New to this, so since my account was created on lemmy.world I’m not seeing them? I definitely see posts from lemmy.ml that everyone is claiming upset about. I haven’t seen anything from hexbear that I know of though which is the other name being thrown around. But others with accounts created on other instances may see them in their feed, they are not necessarily seeking them out to find reasons to be upset. I think that makes sense.
Still appears disproportionately to be people complaining about support as opposed to support itself.
I have seen pretty radical stuff from news@hexbear.net. Like, holy moly. I think it was on All, but maybe I accidentally subscribed to it. Saying stuff like “Death to America” and “Death to Israel” seems to get upvotes over there.
I get it, Israel’s illegal settlements and occupation of Gaza make it pretty easy for radical groups to gain followers. But that doesn’t mean that shooting at ordinary people is going to fix anything. Sure, Palestine has a right to defend itself. But shooting up a festival hardly qualifies as this.
Equally relevant, putting aside Israel’s settlements which we know to be illegal, the number of civilians dying in Gaza is totally unacceptable. Air strikes might look less horrific than men with guns, but they are really equally horrific, killing huge numbers of civilians. These lives are not worth less in any way.
I think this order of thoughts is appropriate:
It is awful that civilians are dying, no matter where they live
Unjust violence is taking place in Israel and in Gaza
This doesn’t come out of the blue. Current conditions are a violation of international law by Israel and are a breeding ground for radicalisation. Israel has many more cards in their hands to turn this around than Palestine has.
Can we please end this endless cycle of violence and suffering?
Bro you must not have been reading the political Lemmy’s Havent you? Even political memes has a hard on for the terrorists. What else is new, tomorrow they will reveal themselves to be supporters of antisemitism?
Take one people and take their homes away, take another and call them “the chosen people or Judea” and tell them they can take the homes of the other people.
Now one group has been told by the “world” that this place is theirs because God said so.
The other is literally kicked outta their homes and is told it’s their fault. Also they’re walled in and can’t leave… and then they’re told they’re gonna get fucked unless they leave… but they can’t leave…
Revolutionary groups are almost always operating from a severe disadvantage. They lack the resources of the regime that oppresses them.
You should ask yourself why revolutionaries feel that extremism is the solution. Is it maybe because peaceful protest leads to Zionist forces opening fire on unarmed civilians? Maybe it’s because losses in this drawn out conflict have disproportionately affected Palestinians?
And that’s why the have to humiliate and torture a captured Soldier? Wait it wasn’t even a Soldier! Nothing, I repeat NOTHING(!) can justify such an action.
War is terrible. I don’t support the allied troops in WWII raping and murdering Berlin women en masse or sending queer concentration camp victims straight to prison for being queer. Nothing can justify such actions. Does that mean the Nazis should not have been fought and defeated? Certainly not.
The big reason is not really justification to support Hamas, but Israel has absolutely not been the good guys in this situation. We all should support Palestine in the face of Israel treating them so badly.
Hamas is a Palestinian group that is fighting them, which is why the anti-Israel folks will often support that. Unfortunately with news like this (and this isn’t the first or the last of it) it’s hard to support either side.
For what it’s worth, I think you can support Palestine without supporting Hamas. But it’s pretty easy for us to make judgment when it’s not our homes and families being harmed.
I see so much support for the Hamas here in Lemmy. And I dont know why. I dont really no much about middle east conflict but everything I’ve ever heard about the Hamas was terrible and crule. Maybe its Propaganda but then things like this happens. Even IF it was a Soldier and not just a civillian this is nothing a Regime which is worth supporting does. This is just wrong.
EDIT: Typo
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
I think it’s a “sides” thing. It’s mentally easy.
I think this story should be engaged with some nuance: I for example think Hamas is evil. But that does not mean I support Israel. Israel denies Palestinians their basic human rights, kills innocent people, and displaces people from their homes. It places palestinians as second class citizens.
They would be doing this whether or not there was a villain to oppose them, and they do it both when Hamas attacks and when they don’t. They have an absurd amount of wealth and power. They have a military that absolutely crushes people when they do their thing, both in “peace” time and at war. The evil that Israel is capable of is simply not accessible to the likes of Hamas.
The grievences of the Palestinians are genuine, but no one wants to legitimize violence as a method for achieving political objectives.
So, here we are.
WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK THEY SHOULD DO? DIE BECAUSE OF YOUR SHITTY AND USELESS IDEAS?
fuck you, scum of the earth
Unless they’re going on about riots being the voice of the unheard…
“When our time comes, we will make no excuses for the terror”
Terrorism is violence towards people, riots are violence towards property, that’s a hell of a leap to try to equivocate the two
One becomes the other pretty frequently and pretty easily.
See May 28, 2020 in Minneapolis where, connected to the ongoing protests Montez Terriel Lee burned down Max It Pawn Shop. There’s literally video footage of him pouring the accelerant, lighting it, and standing outside the burning building saying something to the effect of “Fuck this place. We’re gonna burn this shit down.”. Folks like you basically cheered the footage on social media.
It was almost two months later before we found out the building wasn’t empty when he burned it down, when authorities found a body in the rubble. ME said he died from thermal injury and smoke inhalation, aka he was burned to death. Which is a horrible way to go. So “the voice of the unheard” delivered the message “Were gonna burn this shit down” over a human barbecue.
Weird time to bring up the “BLM burned down whole cities, and antifa killed my dog” boogymam, but…okay?
I haven’t seen anyone supporting Hamas as much as I’ve seen people opposing Israel.
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I see very very little actual support of Hamas so far but a TON of people complaining about seeing support of Hamas. I browse “everything” in Sync for Lemmy on Android if that helps. There more posts complaining about posts than actual problem posts. Hamas is inhumane; Israel is inhumane. Both things can be true at the same time.
For me it’s actually the other Way around. I use Jerboa but this should not make difference or does it?. This is quite interesting.
I think lemmy.world defederated from the instances where you would see those posts. My understanding is that even if you are browsing “everything” you still won’t see those instances. There’s places to check who defederated what n’such.
New to this, so since my account was created on lemmy.world I’m not seeing them? I definitely see posts from lemmy.ml that everyone is claiming upset about. I haven’t seen anything from hexbear that I know of though which is the other name being thrown around. But others with accounts created on other instances may see them in their feed, they are not necessarily seeking them out to find reasons to be upset. I think that makes sense.
Still appears disproportionately to be people complaining about support as opposed to support itself.
I’m on lemmy.world and I’ve seen at least one from Hexbear
You’re on lemm.ee, lemmy.world defederated from hexbear a while ago
Nah political memes has a hard on for the terrorists right now
I have seen pretty radical stuff from news@hexbear.net. Like, holy moly. I think it was on All, but maybe I accidentally subscribed to it. Saying stuff like “Death to America” and “Death to Israel” seems to get upvotes over there.
I get it, Israel’s illegal settlements and occupation of Gaza make it pretty easy for radical groups to gain followers. But that doesn’t mean that shooting at ordinary people is going to fix anything. Sure, Palestine has a right to defend itself. But shooting up a festival hardly qualifies as this.
Equally relevant, putting aside Israel’s settlements which we know to be illegal, the number of civilians dying in Gaza is totally unacceptable. Air strikes might look less horrific than men with guns, but they are really equally horrific, killing huge numbers of civilians. These lives are not worth less in any way.
I think this order of thoughts is appropriate:
Bro you must not have been reading the political Lemmy’s Havent you? Even political memes has a hard on for the terrorists. What else is new, tomorrow they will reveal themselves to be supporters of antisemitism?
There it is.
Great, another terrorist supporter
One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter
funny that knowing something about this makes you a ‘terrorist supporter’
Take one people and take their homes away, take another and call them “the chosen people or Judea” and tell them they can take the homes of the other people.
Now one group has been told by the “world” that this place is theirs because God said so.
The other is literally kicked outta their homes and is told it’s their fault. Also they’re walled in and can’t leave… and then they’re told they’re gonna get fucked unless they leave… but they can’t leave…
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Revolutionary groups are almost always operating from a severe disadvantage. They lack the resources of the regime that oppresses them.
You should ask yourself why revolutionaries feel that extremism is the solution. Is it maybe because peaceful protest leads to Zionist forces opening fire on unarmed civilians? Maybe it’s because losses in this drawn out conflict have disproportionately affected Palestinians?
And that’s why the have to humiliate and torture a captured Soldier? Wait it wasn’t even a Soldier! Nothing, I repeat NOTHING(!) can justify such an action.
Nothing justifies it, but desperation explains it.
War is terrible. I don’t support the allied troops in WWII raping and murdering Berlin women en masse or sending queer concentration camp victims straight to prison for being queer. Nothing can justify such actions. Does that mean the Nazis should not have been fought and defeated? Certainly not.
I don’t see any support for Hamas.
The big reason is not really justification to support Hamas, but Israel has absolutely not been the good guys in this situation. We all should support Palestine in the face of Israel treating them so badly.
Hamas is a Palestinian group that is fighting them, which is why the anti-Israel folks will often support that. Unfortunately with news like this (and this isn’t the first or the last of it) it’s hard to support either side.
For what it’s worth, I think you can support Palestine without supporting Hamas. But it’s pretty easy for us to make judgment when it’s not our homes and families being harmed.
Hamas also came into being because of Israel supporting it over secular (communist) resistance groups.
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/