Some people, communicating via satellite phones, have described the attack as the “heaviest bombardment yet,” according to independent journalist Sharif Kouddous.

“People can’t call ambulances or civil defense. We are being bombed in an unprecedented manner,” said an unidentified journalist at a Gaza hospital, according to a translation by The Nation’s Palestinian correspondent, Mohammed El-Kurd. “The sky around us just lights up [with explosions], and no one knows what’s going on.”

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      As anyone else. But as a species we don’t seem to get it that violence achieves nothing.

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          Sure, and look how many rights the most violent places on Earth enjoy.

          Big mouth for violence until you or your loved ones happen to be under the path of a bomb.

          Because if you play the violence game, you will always find someone more ruthless and/or well equipped than you are.

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            So America will topple, when??

            What you said has no basis in reality at all. the USA was founded on violence. Canada was founded on violence. Mexico was founded on violence. All of south america was founded on violence. India fought a war against British occupation and won. Etc. etc. etc.

            You seem to be conflating all violence with political violence and that’s not a mistake you should be making.

            Hell, the Magna Carta, the foundation on which all common law resides, was founded on violence.

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              Oh, I’m sure America will topple, sooner or later. Who knows? In one or two Trumps, perhaps. Or maybe it will take 50 years, or a century or two, until civilization itself collapses because of unchecked climate change. History teaches us that all empires fail, and there’s no reason to believe that history will stop at the U.S. of A.

              And obviously there’s no denying that violence has always been a driving factor in history. But saying that it doesn’t mean saying that it is desirable. Sure violence brought us here, but, unless you’re a psycho billionnaire, you will have to admit that this is far from a perfect world.

              I’m not saying violence is completely avoidable (I stand with Ukrainians’ right to defend their country in any way) but maybe it could be that we can try applying it less and less.

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            Well there’s violence and there’s the capacity for violence. The most effective thing is the capacity for violence. The actual violence isn’t useful; except as a means to prove one’s capacity.

            The best is to achieve that without having to actually hurt anyone.

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            Tell what to Gandhi?

            During World War I (1914–1918), nearing the age of 50, Gandhi supported the British and its allied forces by recruiting Indians to join the British army, expanding the Indian contingent from about 100,000 to over 1.1 million.[39][37] He encouraged Indian people to fight on one side of the war in Europe and Africa at the cost of their lives.[37] Pacifists criticised and questioned Gandhi, who defended these practices by stating, according to Sankar Ghose, “it would be madness for me to sever my connection with the society to which I belong”

            ALL rights are won through VIOLENCE

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              Nope, they are not

              Unless you consider voting full engage civilian violence

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                Name one that wasn’t won through violence. Hell, even the Civil Rights Act was written in blood.

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                  All of the civil rights in my country were slowly incorporated by democratic means through the last century.

                  Edit, this includes paid vacations, paid maternity leaves for both mother and father, female vote, abolishing slavery, public health, free secular public education (12 years obligatory + university), unemployment insurance, universal income*, abortion

                  Edit2: that doesn’t mean that all rights are won without violence and my country had a lot of violence, but it was about who was holding the power. Rights were voted through the decades almost independently of who was in power.