Khalil al-Hayya, a deputy to Hamas Gaza leader Yahya Sinwar says the group's aim is not to run Gaza but to shake the Middle East and put Palestinian issue back in focus; Tells New York Times expected Arab world to join fight
Yeah, they’re the only militant force with any level of power seen as potential liberators from a violent oppressive force that has only served to fuck them over.
Hamas exists because of Israel and Israel’s actions, not because Palestinians are some barbaric angry subhumans. They have never even been that popular.
So when they win an election for Gaza under Palestine authority… in 2006… and it’s recorded history… They’re not popular? I would saying winning control of a territory through normal political actions… That’s probably pretty popular and you’re attempting to retcon actual history.
They were at 34% support in the pols the day before the election, then won with 44%. Suspect? Also the Israeli government came in and murdered almost the entire government soon after the election, most of whom were pro Israel. Their replacements were not pro Israel. They stopped holding elections after that. (iTs ReCOrdEd hIsToRee!)
LMAO You’re the type of person that states that Trump shouldn’t have won 2016 because they didn’t win the popular vote… Then someone compare that to this… forgetting that he was ~1% less “popular” than Clinton. Someone who can get over 60 million votes is pretty “popular”.
This is absolutely hilarious. I get to see someone truly warp their mind to justify winning with fewer votes than your opponent. And the best part is you’re not even talking about the electoral college, just simply “yes it’s less votes but he’s still popular!”
I get to see someone truly warp their mind to justify winning with fewer votes than your opponent.
Even more hilarious is that I didn’t vote for Trump and I’m not a republican. So now you look real foolish. If you read the context of the actual discussion it’s clear what the point is. You just love shitting on people you think are (R)
As far as more recent sources… If they’re that disapproved of… and there’s no mechanism to remove them because they stopped holding elections for 17 years. Why not remove them from government? How come Fatah-based Palestinian government couldn’t control rather than Hamas? Further the first link shows both west bank and Gaza… West bank is historically “Fatah”. So it doesn’t make sense to lump them together if you’re talking about Gaza Palastinians feelings about Hamas.
Your video also makes a good point against your statement… If Hamas is so unpopular… Why are they still in power on the strip after 17 years?
doesn’t mean all gazans are part of them or approve of what they’re doing.
I’m trying to find where I said that everyone approves… and I’m not seeing it. So I’m not sure what this point is supposed to mean. Sufficient people care about Hamas… Otherwise they would not be in power. They did originate their power from the Palestinian government. This is just simple fact. If EVERYONE hates Hamas as much as you claim they do… Why are they still there? How come that power is so fractured and different than the rest of Palestine(eg West Bank)?
If they’re so disliked… This would not be how it is. My point is that clearly they’re not as disliked as you claim. Otherwise we wouldn’t be here.
You seemed to be claiming from your first comment that Palestinian people deserved what was happening to them. I’m saying that some at least (probably most) don’t support Hamas, so it’s wrong to say they deserve what’s going on.
The argument that the entire population of Gaza can be held responsible for Hamas’s actions is quickly discredited when one looks at the facts. Arab Barometer, a research network where we serve as co-principal investigators, conducted a survey in Gaza and the West Bank days before the Israel-Hamas war broke out. The findings, published here for the first time, reveal that rather than supporting Hamas, the vast majority of Gazans have been frustrated with the armed group’s ineffective governance as they endure extreme economic hardship. Most Gazans do not align themselves with Hamas’s ideology, either. Unlike Hamas, whose goal is to destroy the Israeli state, the majority of survey respondents favored a two-state solution with an independent Palestine and Israel existing side by side.
Right… So 17 years later… they’re so dissatisfied… and nothing changed? That’s not how governments stay in power… Something is wrong with the supposition as the results don’t make sense.
You realize that Hamas’ official stance is death to all Christians right? Literally meeting everything you believe Israel to want.
Yeah, they’re the only militant force with any level of power seen as potential liberators from a violent oppressive force that has only served to fuck them over.
Hamas exists because of Israel and Israel’s actions, not because Palestinians are some barbaric angry subhumans. They have never even been that popular.
So when they win an election for Gaza under Palestine authority… in 2006… and it’s recorded history… They’re not popular? I would saying winning control of a territory through normal political actions… That’s probably pretty popular and you’re attempting to retcon actual history.
They were at 34% support in the pols the day before the election, then won with 44%. Suspect? Also the Israeli government came in and murdered almost the entire government soon after the election, most of whom were pro Israel. Their replacements were not pro Israel. They stopped holding elections after that. (iTs ReCOrdEd hIsToRee!)
Oh cool! So then you have a source for your claim?
Yes.
Moderate candidates split the vote, and exit polls at the time showed like 80% of people wanted to work toward peace.
They also ran on being anti corruption and pious, and the other candidates absolutely had corruption issues.
Also, if you’re American, you should understand how deeply unpopular candidates can win elections. Hell, plenty don’t even need a popular vote!
LMAO You’re the type of person that states that Trump shouldn’t have won 2016 because they didn’t win the popular vote… Then someone compare that to this… forgetting that he was ~1% less “popular” than Clinton. Someone who can get over 60 million votes is pretty “popular”.
This is absolutely hilarious. I get to see someone truly warp their mind to justify winning with fewer votes than your opponent. And the best part is you’re not even talking about the electoral college, just simply “yes it’s less votes but he’s still popular!”
Even more hilarious is that I didn’t vote for Trump and I’m not a republican. So now you look real foolish. If you read the context of the actual discussion it’s clear what the point is. You just love shitting on people you think are (R)
Idgaf who you voted for, your comment was dumb af
Just like you!
You have to be pretty far right to hold water for a fascist ethnostate, so that assumption would be fair.
Where did I at any point do that? Care to find me a point where I even remotely defended any country in this discussion?
He still got less votes
No shit Sherlock? Hamas got 44% of the popular vote. That’s not “unpopular”. No matter what definition you’re using. Popular != majority.
Hamas’ approval rating wasn’t even that high in Palistine before the current events. https://www.foreignaffairs.com/israel/what-palestinians-really-think-hamas
https://www.neareastconsulting.com/plc2006/blmain.html
https://youtu.be/9X7SMGGMZUI
Your own source…
https://www.neareastconsulting.com/plc2006/official/c002.html
Seems pretty high to me…
As far as more recent sources… If they’re that disapproved of… and there’s no mechanism to remove them because they stopped holding elections for 17 years. Why not remove them from government? How come Fatah-based Palestinian government couldn’t control rather than Hamas? Further the first link shows both west bank and Gaza… West bank is historically “Fatah”. So it doesn’t make sense to lump them together if you’re talking about Gaza Palastinians feelings about Hamas.
Your video also makes a good point against your statement… If Hamas is so unpopular… Why are they still in power on the strip after 17 years?
Hamas kicked fatah out of the strip? But being barely winning an election doesn’t mean all gazans are part of them or approve of what they’re doing.
I’m trying to find where I said that everyone approves… and I’m not seeing it. So I’m not sure what this point is supposed to mean. Sufficient people care about Hamas… Otherwise they would not be in power. They did originate their power from the Palestinian government. This is just simple fact. If EVERYONE hates Hamas as much as you claim they do… Why are they still there? How come that power is so fractured and different than the rest of Palestine(eg West Bank)?
If they’re so disliked… This would not be how it is. My point is that clearly they’re not as disliked as you claim. Otherwise we wouldn’t be here.
You seemed to be claiming from your first comment that Palestinian people deserved what was happening to them. I’m saying that some at least (probably most) don’t support Hamas, so it’s wrong to say they deserve what’s going on.
From the first article:
https://archive.is/20231107213604/https://www.foreignaffairs.com/israel/what-palestinians-really-think-hamas
Right… So 17 years later… they’re so dissatisfied… and nothing changed? That’s not how governments stay in power… Something is wrong with the supposition as the results don’t make sense.
That’s how authoritarian governments stay in power, that or they start a war for the rally around the flag effect to give them a common enemy.