• RGB3x3@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Look, this is the system we have and it sucks, but the choices are “weak candidate” vs “evil candidate that is likely going to try to destroy our democracy.”

    Voting third party means voting for the second guy, which is going to make our shit system even worse.

      • no we’re not. You’re both right. You’re right that you are absolutely allowed to not vote for someone if you don’t feel like that Person is representing you.

        But just know that by not Voting for Biden, you are making it easier for Trump to win. This is just the way the System works. There is no Opinion to be had about this, this is just Fact.

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          1 year ago

          I 100% acknowledge and accept that.

          My distinction is that the blame should be put on those voting for the ‘lesser-evil’ to maintain a negative peace instead of those fighting for a greater good.

          Blame everyone who voted for, checks notes, Hillary fucking Clinton to guarantee a Trump presidency just so Bernie couldn’t fuck the ruling class.

          It’s their fault, not ours.

          The lesser evil is still evil. Good people aren’t bad for not going along with it.

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              1 year ago

              Unfortunately, a vote for Trump is too.

              It’s just. The lesser-genocide is still genocide.

              What path do we have to break this cycle other than to abandon it?

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                When the lesser of two evils becomes lesser of two genocides we can either accept this is a stupid strategy that does not and has not worked across decades, or double down and accept everything that comes because of the strategy, like Trump.

                We are civilians, we do not get to change the system, we don’t even get to recall our federal reps after the election. We can vote once every year or so and that’s it. Either keep doing what got us here or try something new but your power ends at the ballot unless you have the time and money to basically stalk politicians.

                There will never be a good time to abandon lesser evilism, and there will always be an evil that could win. In fact by nature of lesser evils, the winner must be evil. The best time to break away is whenever you can convince yourself to do so. For many people genocide is a hard line and they are realizing this. It’s hard to fault someone for trying something new when the old way bore genocidal fruit.

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          1 year ago

          Maybe instead of focusing all of our voting power on the presidential elections, we should all be more engaged with our local elections.

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        1 year ago

        Hey. Can I ask if you live in a swing state?

        If not, then all these people are moralizing toward you for no reason.

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          1 year ago

          There are multiple states and territories for which the margin of victory for presidential elections has never been so slim that their state flipping would have ever effected the race. Its hilarious watching centerests get mad when something like less than 20% of the country has any material leverage on how it shakes out.

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          1 year ago

          I live right next to a swing state.

          Personally, I’m all for democrats moving from states like Texas to states like Arkansas. I think ~2m people voted for Biden in the 2020 election.

          The population of Arkansas is ~3m, to put things into perspective.