• commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    1 year ago

    The top level argument is that voting for anyone but Biden is effectively a vote for trump

    but that’s not true. a vote for anyone who is not trump is by definition not a vote for trump.

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      1 year ago

      Do you not know the concept of a spoiler?

      If there can only be 1 winner, and there are 2 frontrunners who have the only real chance of winning, a 3rd competitor only takes votes from a frontrunner and has no chance of winning themselves.

      As someone like Stein is mentioned as an alternative to voting for trump, therefore the person was never a trump voter, they were never going to ADD to Trump’s chances. Their only voting action is to either vote for Biden, or NOT* vote. By NOT* I mean not contribute to bidens vote totals.

      Voting for stein is effectively a non republican voter staying home.

      This is a major problem with our voting system, there can only ever be 2 realistic choices, and a third party vote has greater game theory implications than independent voters like to accept.

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        1 year ago

        every vote must be earned. so-called “third parties” dont take votes from other parties: they earn them from voters.

        Voting for stein is effectively a non republican voter staying home.

        for a party who believes they deserve every non-republican vote. but in the elections offices across the country, it’s effectively a vote for Jill Stein.

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          It’s ok to hold your opinion, but it is not realistic with the game theory actually occuring.

          I’m not supporting the system that makes this so, I’m only informing you of what is happening, what is real life.

          Your only real choices are the 2 frontrunners.

          Any non-trump vote for anyone but Biden aids the trump campaign as much as staying home.

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            1 year ago

            Your only real choices are the 2 frontrunners.

            i expect to have at least 4 real choices on my ballot.

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                1 year ago

                they’re not real choices if i don’t want them to win. a bullet to the left knee or a bullet to the right knee isn’t a real choice.

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                    1 year ago

                    oh, you know what? maybe it’s the option of having my foot crushed or amputated. one isn’t quite as bad but neither is really something i’ll be choosing given any other choice.

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                    1 year ago

                    i’m going to choose something else, and if my neighbors make the painful choices, that’s not my fault. i know who to blame.

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            1 year ago

            Any non-trump vote for anyone but Biden aids the trump campaign as much as staying home.

            right. but the same is true in reverse: any non-biden vote for anyone but trump aids the biden campaign as much as staying home.

            because that’s how voting works. when you don’t vote for someone, you don’t help their campaign.

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              1 year ago

              Please go learn what spoilers are.

              The spoiler is attached to what it is nearest.

              For example, if desantis ran as an independent, he would be a trump spoiler. Splitting republican votes, and harming Trump’s chances of winning.