• sailingbythelee@lemmy.world
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      You aren’t very up-to-date on modern warfare if you think Israel is trying to cause as many civilian casualties as possible.

      Fareed Zakaria reported this past weekend that Israel has the dropped the equivalent tonnage of two nuclear bombs on Gaza and 18,000 people have died. Yes, of course that’s bad, but two actual nuclear bombs, or the equivalent tonnage dropped indiscriminately, would probably have killed hundreds of thousands. They obviously aren’t trying to kill as many civilians as possible. The hyperbole isn’t helpful.

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        Because if you do it slow, people like you won’t notice, until it’s too late, and then you’ll just say that we should forgive them because it’s in the past

        They said they’re keeping Gaza.

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          No, he’s saying they could have removed ALL of Gaza without any invasion, IF they didn’t care about avoiding civilian casualties.

          Pretending they’re intentionally trying to murder civilians like the elected government of Gaza did in October is disingenuous.

          If Israel were intentionally targeting civilians, they’d have killed WAY more than 18,000–by literally magnitudes.

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            Because if you do it slow, people like you won’t notice, until it’s too late, and then you’ll just say that we should forgive them because it’s in the past

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              The faster we can kill every member of Hamas, the better. The sooner we can ease the suffering of the Palestinians being used by Hamas, the better.

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                Would you say the same if your mother or child was one of those people killed in collateral damage to something they had nothing to do with?

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                  If someone pulled an October attack on me and killed my family, there would be no safe haven for them anywhere.

                  If someone pulled a Hamas on my family intentionally drawing fire to them and getting them killed, same thing. No safe haven.

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                    That’s not what I asked.

                    I asked how you would feel if your mother or child, who had nothing to do with it; got killed because of someone else’s hard on for revenge.

                    So, I ask you again, if your family has nothing to do with the situation, but gets killed anyway, you would be OK with that because someone else is getting their revenge right?

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      Doesn’t seem vastly different from the firebombing of German cities by the Allies.

      War is horrible. But it isn’t always genocide.

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        Those are all war crimes by today’s standards. We looked at what we’d done and realised it was wrong.

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          One of the worst war crimes of all this has been Hamas operating from civilian areas and buildings. Co-locations strip locations of their protected status and make them legitimate targets by international law.

          One of the worst crimes that can be committed is co-location. The CIA has done it too with medical groups around the world… and those agents and anyone in that chain of command should also be charged with war crimes.

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        Atrocities of the past don’t excuse modern day atrocities. Your whataboutism is meaningless.

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          This is not a popular opinion around worldnews where even in this thread there’s apologists trying to justify the initial terrorist attack by Gaza’s elected Hamas group.

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          Many would argue those atrocities of the past were justified.

          Do evil things to prevent greater evil. If you disagree with that, that’s totally ok too. But what would you have had the Allies do in WWII? Just like, lose?

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          I literally said war is horrible. I’m not at all saying it’s a happy fun thing we should strive towards.

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      No, it’s a response to the elected and majority supported government of Gaza’s war crimes in the horrible October terrorists attacks. It’s unfortunate for the 43% who don’t support hamas that the rest of Gaza shelters and supports them.

      Leaving Gaza’s government’s attack unanswered would have just encouraged them more. Now, they will be wiped out as they should be.