I remember when at the beginning people warn of genocide and some kept saying idf ask people to evacuate south but they didn’t leave.
We know through history they will keep moving the goal post as they go through the genocide plan.
Remember l folks, there is no aid, no clean water, no hospitals, no journalist, and no medical aid. If not bomb, disease, hunger and living condition will kill people.
We know through history they will keep moving the goal post as they go through the genocide plan.
“Through history?” seems like you’re implying Israel has committed genocide in the past. Perhaps you’re thinking of Palestinian forces?
Following the Arab Legion’s expulsion of the Jewish residents of the Old City in the 1948 War, Jordan allowed Arab Muslim refugees to settle in the vacated Jewish Quarter. Later, after some of these refugees were moved to Shuafat, migrants from Hebron took their place. Abdullah el Tell, a commander of the Arab Legion, remarked:
“For the first time in 1,000 years not a single Jew remains in the Jewish Quarter. Not a single building remains intact. This makes the Jews’ return here impossible”
In his memoir’s Col. El Tell outlined his decision to attack Jewish Quarter:
“The operations of calculated destruction were set in motion. I Knew that the Jewish Quarter was densely populated with Jewish populations who caused their fighters a good deal of interference and difficulty. I embarked, therefore on shelling of the quarter with mortars creating harassment and destruction. Only for days after our entry into Jerusalem, the Jewish Quarter become their graveyard. Death and destruction reigned over it. As the down of May 28th was about to break, the Jewish Quarter emerged in convulsive cloud-a cloud of death and agony” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamization_of_Jerusalem#Islamization_of_Jerusalem_under_Jordanian_rule
No way! , you were focused enough to find article that supports your points of view but cannot find, in the same website, articles, that doesn’t support your points of view?
At least don’t play ignorance in the internet is not worth it.
All I see via google is a wikipedia article about, “Palestinean genocide accusation.”
Those who believe Israel’s actions constitute genocide typically point to the phenomena of anti-Palestinianism, Islamophobia, anti-Arab racism in Israeli society, and they cite the Nakba, the Sabra and Shatila massacre, the blockade of the Gaza Strip, the 2014 Gaza War and the 2023 Israel–Hamas war as material instantiations of genocide.
International law and genocide scholars have accused Israeli officials of using dehumanizing language. During the 2023 Israel-Hamas war, historian of genocide Omer Bartov warned that statements made by top Israeli officials “could easily be construed as indicating a genocidal intent.”
Israel, the United States, the Anti-Defamation League and other organizations, and some law and genocide scholars have rejected the assertion that Israel is engaging in genocide. While some scholars describe Palestinians as victims of genocide, others argue they are not victims of genocide, but rather of ethnic cleansing, politicide, spaciocide, cultural genocide or similar; still others argue that none of these have occurred.
This is hardly conclusive, very refutable, and certainly not as compelling an example of genocide as the above. I had hoped you had better evidence. I can see why you didn’t cite this.
Well good job, now you got some incident we need to get to the next stage.
You have a piece of fact about civilians being shot throughout different periods of time.
You need to research what constitutes a genocidal act, what constitutes a massacre, and finally find out if these incident were or were not conform to the definition.
Apparently there is no consensus among experts regarding this, and I am no expert, but based on what I’ve read any such definitions applied to Israel depend on treating an actively belligerent nation like an ethnic group. I believe this is inappropriate.
The holocaust was a genocide because Germans intended to wipe out an ethnic group. Israel may be killing a lot of Palestinians but they are not trying to collectively destroy Arabs. They are acting in self-defense retaliating against a hostile nation that intends to commit genocide against Jews, (yet again.) If destroying a national group in whole or in part in defense while they are actively trying to kill you is a genocide, that makes just about every defensive military action in history count as genocide.
What I see here is defense against genocidal groups being unfairly and inaccurately described as genocide itself. But again, I am no expert.
You’d be better off asking why Hamas started a war they knew they’d lose, why they prolong it in the face of their people suffering.
Even better maybe ask why you support them? How have they made life better for their people? This situation was completely predictable and completely avoidable.
Occupies oppressed People don’t behave rationally. Also, Nyet n yahoo knew all about the attack for most off a Year and ignored the danger because he needed this excuse to try and distract from his corruption. Criticism of the Israel is not support. Oh, and it is very telling that you think the Palestinian “newborns” mentioned are hamas.
You’re right, it was completely avoidable. Bibi could have followed through on all that intelligence telling him of a pending Hamas attack. Hell, he could have never funded Hamas in the first place, which is why they even have power.
Calling Hamas “democratically elected” is a huge stretch. Hamas recieved 44.45% of votes in the last election, which was in 2006. They are absolutely not in any way accountable to the people they rule. The average Palestinian has about as much chance of freeing those hostages as I have of breaking people out of Guantanamo.
Gazans were in an open air prison prior to October. Israel bombed Gaza pretty regularly, and Hamas said that their October attack was in retaliation.
Hamas explained all this in an interview with the New Yorker. Gazans tried peaceful unarmed protest and were shot by the IDF. They asked the international community for help but the Israeli government labeled it “diplomatic terrorism” and sanctioned Palestinians. What choice did they have left but to fight when nonviolent resistance got nowhere?
Oh yeah, Israeli governments sending tons of cash to Hamas is totally unrelated. That’s why you’d prefer to not talking about it. Not because it breaks the narrative of the poor innocent israel. Right?
Who is pro-hamas? Hamas never got my money, Israeli money on the other hand… yeah, of that money they’ve got a lot. But do not let facts disturb your ideology ok?
Why do you care? You’ve made multiple comments about this now in multiple threads. Most social media platforms upvote your own posts by default. Now you’re going through my history and downvoting everything because you’re butthurt, and you call me pathetic, lol. Have fun wasting your time on something so petty! Be sure not to miss any.
Dude, firstly that’s called collective punishment, which is a war crime if that even matters anymore. Secondly, this was never about hostages, it’s about cleansing Palestine. The hostages were just an excuse.
Why would Hamas surrender? This is great for them. They need war to justify their existence, and they don’t care about the civilians of Gaza much more than the IDF does.
Perhaps Palestineans shouldn’t support a group that’s willing to kill so many of them, (polls indicate Hamas has widespread public support both in Gaza and the West Bank,) evidently this is what said civilians want.
This account has been active supporting IDF so most likely a troll or a shell account because any person with brain wouldn’t trust any militants groups regardles of there position.
If there was no Hamas, Israeli settlers would still be committing terrorist acts on unarmed Palestinians in West Bank and right wing politicians would still be threatening to tear down Al Aqsa. If Hamas vanished tomorrow, none of that would change.
The point of these warnings, is to prove that a warning was given. It doesn’t matter if the warning is efficacious, timely, or even if the advice is actionable.
The utility here, is to provide deniability of responsibility. The intent may be to save lives, but if it’s not actionable that doesn’t seem likely
Do they expect them to grow wings?
Can’t go north, can’t go south, can’t go central, can’t go down, where are they meant to go?
I remember when at the beginning people warn of genocide and some kept saying idf ask people to evacuate south but they didn’t leave.
We know through history they will keep moving the goal post as they go through the genocide plan.
Remember l folks, there is no aid, no clean water, no hospitals, no journalist, and no medical aid. If not bomb, disease, hunger and living condition will kill people.
“Through history?” seems like you’re implying Israel has committed genocide in the past. Perhaps you’re thinking of Palestinian forces?
I am not implying, I am stating they did because it is there in wikipedia if you care to look for it…
I have no idea what you’re referring to, and I would appreciate a citation if true.
No way! , you were focused enough to find article that supports your points of view but cannot find, in the same website, articles, that doesn’t support your points of view?
At least don’t play ignorance in the internet is not worth it.
All I see via google is a wikipedia article about, “Palestinean genocide accusation.”
This is hardly conclusive, very refutable, and certainly not as compelling an example of genocide as the above. I had hoped you had better evidence. I can see why you didn’t cite this.
Well good job, now you got some incident we need to get to the next stage.
You have a piece of fact about civilians being shot throughout different periods of time.
You need to research what constitutes a genocidal act, what constitutes a massacre, and finally find out if these incident were or were not conform to the definition.
Apparently there is no consensus among experts regarding this, and I am no expert, but based on what I’ve read any such definitions applied to Israel depend on treating an actively belligerent nation like an ethnic group. I believe this is inappropriate.
The holocaust was a genocide because Germans intended to wipe out an ethnic group. Israel may be killing a lot of Palestinians but they are not trying to collectively destroy Arabs. They are acting in self-defense retaliating against a hostile nation that intends to commit genocide against Jews, (yet again.) If destroying a national group in whole or in part in defense while they are actively trying to kill you is a genocide, that makes just about every defensive military action in history count as genocide.
What I see here is defense against genocidal groups being unfairly and inaccurately described as genocide itself. But again, I am no expert.
Perhaps they could go get those hostages?
Prolonging this war is just causing harm to Palestinians. Hamas needs to surrender now.
Yeah, why all those newborns did not walk to take and free the hostages before getting bombed I ask? Too lazy? It’s their fault certainly… /s
You’d be better off asking why Hamas started a war they knew they’d lose, why they prolong it in the face of their people suffering.
Even better maybe ask why you support them? How have they made life better for their people? This situation was completely predictable and completely avoidable.
Occupies oppressed People don’t behave rationally. Also, Nyet n yahoo knew all about the attack for most off a Year and ignored the danger because he needed this excuse to try and distract from his corruption. Criticism of the Israel is not support. Oh, and it is very telling that you think the Palestinian “newborns” mentioned are hamas.
You’re right, it was completely avoidable. Bibi could have followed through on all that intelligence telling him of a pending Hamas attack. Hell, he could have never funded Hamas in the first place, which is why they even have power.
Completely avoidable.
Pretty sure Hamas was democratically elected but if you need to shift blame back to Israel with some impressive mental gymnastics go right ahead.
If you could put down your hate for two seconds it’s time to realise Hamas aren’t winning this and dragging this war out is just hurting Palestinians.
Calling Hamas “democratically elected” is a huge stretch. Hamas recieved 44.45% of votes in the last election, which was in 2006. They are absolutely not in any way accountable to the people they rule. The average Palestinian has about as much chance of freeing those hostages as I have of breaking people out of Guantanamo.
Gazans were in an open air prison prior to October. Israel bombed Gaza pretty regularly, and Hamas said that their October attack was in retaliation.
Hamas explained all this in an interview with the New Yorker. Gazans tried peaceful unarmed protest and were shot by the IDF. They asked the international community for help but the Israeli government labeled it “diplomatic terrorism” and sanctioned Palestinians. What choice did they have left but to fight when nonviolent resistance got nowhere?
Or I could ask why they were being financed by Israel. Could I ask that too, couldn’t I?
Thanks for being brave enough to focus on important questions like who funds Hamas.
Too many people are getting distracted by silly things like humanitarian crises but you’re out here fighting the real fight!
… You mean the humanitarian crisis that Israel explicitly and intentionally created, has purpetuates for decades, and refuses to do anything about?
Oh yeah, Israeli governments sending tons of cash to Hamas is totally unrelated. That’s why you’d prefer to not talking about it. Not because it breaks the narrative of the poor innocent israel. Right?
Love how you pro-hamas guys will do anything, anything except something that will help the Palestinians.
Who is pro-hamas? Hamas never got my money, Israeli money on the other hand… yeah, of that money they’ve got a lot. But do not let facts disturb your ideology ok?
Esp since (prior to the war) 50% of the Palestinian population was children.
Never believe the IDF when they say they didn’t target kids.
Prove it. All evidence indicates they don’t care much about collateral damage but do go to great lengths to choose legal military targets.
What evidence? You seem to enjoy making comments but provide little to no verfiable proof of such.
Oh, and here’s mine.
https://www.pcbs.gov.ps/site/512/default.aspx?lang=en&ItemID=4484
None of that indicates that the IDF intentionally targets kids. Those are likely collateral damage, considering Hamas hides among civilians.
Israel literally built an AI to help them select legal military targets faster than humans can. This would be an odd thing to do if they were targeting civilians and didn’t care about military objectives.
You asked for proof. I gave some.
Where’s yours? Did you forget or just ignore?
Edit … cause what you gave is crap.
Actually, you didn’t. Yours is a claim of intention, which that article does not establish.
Good to know that isn’t a credible source, thanks. Feel free to learn about said AI elsewhere.
Sad little gamer must upvote his own posts to feel love.
That makes me a sad panda
Yeah! It’s like all of those decapitated babies!
The IDF never lies!
Seriously, what’s with the self upvoting?
Why do you care? You’ve made multiple comments about this now in multiple threads. Most social media platforms upvote your own posts by default. Now you’re going through my history and downvoting everything because you’re butthurt, and you call me pathetic, lol. Have fun wasting your time on something so petty! Be sure not to miss any.
Dude, firstly that’s called collective punishment, which is a war crime if that even matters anymore. Secondly, this was never about hostages, it’s about cleansing Palestine. The hostages were just an excuse.
Why would Hamas surrender? This is great for them. They need war to justify their existence, and they don’t care about the civilians of Gaza much more than the IDF does.
Perhaps Palestineans shouldn’t support a group that’s willing to kill so many of them, (polls indicate Hamas has widespread public support both in Gaza and the West Bank,) evidently this is what said civilians want.
Why do you self upvote?
Are you that desperate for internet points?
Do you just want someone to see your little upvote like priming the tip jar?
What makes you so desperate?
I know another person that acts the same way, are you @downpunxxx alt?
This account has been active supporting IDF so most likely a troll or a shell account because any person with brain wouldn’t trust any militants groups regardles of there position.
Israel has already stated its aim is to hunt Hamas to extinction and at least temporarily occupy Gaza.
Sounds like a good reason to surrender, unless they prefer extinction.
If there was no Hamas, Israeli settlers would still be committing terrorist acts on unarmed Palestinians in West Bank and right wing politicians would still be threatening to tear down Al Aqsa. If Hamas vanished tomorrow, none of that would change.
Are you really so sad you have to upvote your own posts?
That’s pathetic
Haters gonna hate
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The IDF doesn’t believe in hell, surely. Purgatory
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Gehinnom
details… details…
though, they say war is hell, and they certainly seem to believe in war.
The point of these warnings, is to prove that a warning was given. It doesn’t matter if the warning is efficacious, timely, or even if the advice is actionable.
The utility here, is to provide deniability of responsibility. The intent may be to save lives, but if it’s not actionable that doesn’t seem likely
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Yep, they’ve used the line everyone that’s left is Hamas by definition before.
That’s the point