Beehaw: You should join our instance.
Also Beehaw: We’re defederating from two of the largest instances.
It’s a safe space and the fediverse rapidly expanded tenfold. Beehaw has stated outright that they want to refederate with the big instances, but are delaying until mod tools improve enough to allow them to maintain their safe space for their gaggle of vulnerable folks in the wake of the severely increased workload.
Safe space, or echo chamber?
It’s literally a safe space, you absolute sea lion.
Gotta love how spending time with like-minded people has now been framed as an “echo chamber.” I blame reddit, since that’s where I first encountered this nonsense.
I’m fine with my “echo chambers.” We are able to have really in-depth, adult discussions about things like LGBTQIA issues, mental health, and politics without having to constantly swat away a bunch of sea lions.
That’s nice and all, but “join our instance” and “we’re defederated from the other two biggest instances” are in direct opposition to each other, doesn’t matter what excuses you use.
Unless you use a client with multiaccount support
Only if you don’t think about it are they not mutually exclusive ideas. Safe space first, increase size of safe space second.
It’s nice here, but we aren’t totally safe from drama either. In the Kbin Codeberg for example, issue #196 attracted the ire of another developer
Care to elaborate what was said?
It’s not overly long or complicated but here’s a summary:
Original: Codeberg Kbin/kbin-core, Issue #196
OP: Hey Kbin dev, you’re using my code without attribution.
[Comments from other users]
Kbin dev: Oops, my bad. Here are a couple ways I can fix it. What would you prefer?
OP: Attribution.
[Additional comments about license stuff and the nature of open source software]
Kbin dev: Working on it.
OP: [Details of suggested fix].
Issue closed.
I need to take my blood pressure medication now. Thanks a lot.
I saw the post they’re referencing, and it was a lot more heated than they’re making it out to be. It was ultimately resolved, but it would definitely qualify as drama imo
Kbin uses codeberg? I might move to kbin because they’re chad
Theres drama?
Why DO you wanna join? Is it to make sure everybody is nice to you?
Uh, Yeah. If you’re going to give me the choice. My free time is limited, why share it with assholes?
Wait, is this actually a thing they make you do? That’s mental.
The beauty of the fediverse. You have the choice of multiple projects and for each project many instances covering political, technical and other points of view. Each of those able to curate and moderate the experience to fit in with expectations.
If none of those suit you, you can make your own.
I totally understand what beehaw are trying to do. If there was no choice there might be a problem but, there is plenty of choice.
I wrote 3 - 4 sentences and got in.
They want people to join who will make an effort to contribute to their community.
So their “”“essay”“” requirement is working if it keeps out people who think that writing a couple lines is “mental”.
I earnestly wrote a couple of lines, and then a week later they replied that they don’t have enough information to decide, at which point I just threw my hands up and decided for them. I don’t need that kind of pedantic hoop jumping in my private life.
They want to know if your views will mesh well with the community they are trying to curate before they let you in.
I browsed Beehaw for a bit before deciding that it did, and mentioned it in my application.
I think they’re a bit more choosy now, as I used to see folks spouting things like “can you not use the word ‘minorities’? It shows a bias. You need to address everyone, not give preferential treatment,” or some other dumb horseshit.
Honestly, I think they just don’t want to have to deal with people saying stupid shit and they’re tired of trying to argue with people who A). genuinely hold stupid, shitty beliefs, or B). are trolling/pretending to be stupid in order to get a reaction.
More power to them, if that’s the case.
So what’s their opinion on bi lesbians, sysmedicalism, xenogenders, and cluster B ableism?
I literally told them I like their animal community and want to look at animals and mentioned how I feel about bunnies and that was that, I’m an official beehaw member who can look at animals whilst signed on to beehaw lol they’re not for everyone and that’s fine because they’re not trying to be for everyone. If it does seem like a place you want to join they’re not insane about sign up, just give them a good reason you want to be there besides like “trolling lolz”.
I just browse their communities from another instance. It’s not like you have to be a member to engage with a particular instance. It might harder to find an instance’s community on your instance because nobody on your instance has subscribed to the community, kick-starting the feed to start populating with its content, but using the outside/3rd party instance/community search tools, I’ve subscribed to several communities across several instances, all from my preferred instance account.
The only benefit I could see to being specifically on Beehaw is that you would be somewhat shielded from content coming from instances they defederated with; and it’s a big blanket ban. Maybe some of the communities on a blocked instance aren’t piles of shit. I, personally, would rather start with an entirely open instance and block what I don’t want to see myself, over letting someone else make that choice for me. There are very few instances I would block in their entirety so far that I’ve seen.
would rather start with an entirely open instance and block what I don’t want to see myself
The thing is, federation is a bit… “weird”?
I mean, a federated instance… doesn’t do any federation by default, it just sits there… until “some user” on the instance decides to subscribe to a community on a federated instance… at which point the instance both starts receiving posts from that community, and starts showing them in the All feed.
So the All of an instance, is an aggregated “everything someone on the instance has subscribed to”… which is somewhat of a nonsense: why should an instance owner let decide random users what the instance shows in its public feed?
That means instance owners have to curate which instances do they allow their users to pull into their instance’s All… and thus, defederation.
But even if there was a separate “public All” and a “members only All”… and even if people could filter out stuff from the “members only All” feed of their instance… the instance would still be pulling the content from other instances. That means bandwidth, CPU, RAM, and storage… for stuff that maybe just a single user of the instance is interested in. It makes little sense.
Things get much worse, when a ton of users from a large instance, with a completely different mentality, start commenting on random communities from other instances in their instance’s All feed, just because maybe a single user subscribed to it back at some point, without taking the time to get to know the rules of the target instance (maybe they’ll read the community’s sidebar, maybe they won’t).
At the very least, there should be a prominent warning about “YOU ARE COMMENTING ON ANOTHER INSTANCE, here are its rules”. At the most extreme, breaking the rules of another instance should have consequences at your home one.
Then, and only then, maybe, a large instance with a lot of resources, could pull content from a ton of other instances, and each user could just filter the All feed however they wanted.
But that seems unrealistic, and would lead to centralization, which is the opposite of what the whole concept of federation is about.
I think the current state could be improved, but having the Fediverse split into groups of like-minded instances that gravitate towards each other, is not a bad thing.
Discoverability could be improved, by having tools that show more clearly which instances “belong together”, so users could pick any instance of the group to access to all others. Then each user could filter out the instances “from the group”, at least at the app level, but maybe also directly at the server to reduce bandwidth usage… and use an app to maybe aggregate communities across groups if they wish.
Identity management is a separate point: maybe you want to participate in different instance groups with the same identity, maybe have a different one, or even more than one, per like-minded group. Maybe you want to be a furry programmer, but an anonymous porn watcher, a tinkerer with a real face, and a clown in a pointy hat shitposter.
All of those should be allowed, and even have features to make it easier to not “double dip” (I think Sync may be going in that direction).
Just don’t ban me for an arbitrary reason you’ll never explain and you’re worlds better than Reddit
From what I’ve seen, you’d have a clear reason, and at least a chance to reply, apologize, and/or change your behavior… but you need to follow the “be nice” rule, and if you don’t agree, it’s the door. So not a good place for shitposting, trolling, sealioning, making fun of others, or general 4chan-ing.
See I don’t do any of that to begin with, Reddit just loves to Power Trip
Yeah, those are not even banned on Reddit, only disagreeing with how a mod twists the rules is a permabannable offense, and they no longer care about having a million more or less users.
It’s kind of interesting how Beehaw has fewer rules, and its mods are at the same time stricter and more tolerant.
If there is anything new for Lemmy as far as I have joined, it’s always the heckin’ instance wars, just pick one and be happy with it Also, there are a lot of instances that require written stuff for joining as an extra filter to avoid bots and trolls ¯_(ツ)_/¯
I know some peeps are annoyed at the thought of instance drama or writing essays etc. But this is exactly what I wanted.
