Neat!
Fuck Forbes. They prop up conservatives and conservative taling points. They also post screens of tweets from conservatives, like the dickbag (from this article) who referred to the Ukraine army as “Ukronazis”.
The news of this attack is great to hear, but we should not be supporting Forbes with clicks. They are the enemy.
Are you suggesting there isn’t nazis in Ukraine’s armed forces? Take a look at the cemeteries for the soldiers, you will notice some weird flags flying.
Nevertheless, Slava Ukraini!
What does that translate to ? some sort of rallying cry
It’s a nazi slogan meaning glory to Ukraine.
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It means Glory to Ukraine. Pretty much every military has something like it (for example, Hooah or Ooh-rah for the US Military (specifically the Army and the Marines). It’s also a national salute, which a lot of countries have.
Who out there would be dumb enough to think “Ukraini” would mean either “Sieg” or “Heil” and not just mean the the sovereign nation of Ukraine?
You have linked directly to an image of a Ukrainian stomping on a swastika flag. You are not making the point you think you’re making.
They’re trying to liken it to the Nazis, but the fact remains that almost every single military in the world has something like this as either a battle cry or affirmation. US uses several iterations such as “Hooah”, “Ooah” and “Hooyah” depending on your branch so they can feel free to start chiming in about their views on US imperialism and nationalism any time they like, but we know they won’t.
which translates to “say hail” in english
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/hail
Verb
hail (third-person singular simple present hails, present participle hailing, simple past and past participle hailed)
(transitive) To greet; give salutation to; salute.
(transitive) To name; to designate; to call. quotations ▼
He was hailed as a hero.The problem with the german WWII one isn’t as much the word as who they were hailing.
i very much doubt the Ukrainian word has the same negative connotations as the german one.
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Glory to Ukraine
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“God bless America” seems a more apt comparison. Seeing as “Sieg Heil” was meant to glorify Hitler, rather than inspire pride of the country. Besides that, comparing Ukraine to Nazi Germany seems a bit too “Russian propaganda” for my tastes.
Lmaoooo wow
we should not be supporting Forbes with clicks.
DeVito gif May I offer you an archive link in these trying times?
Forbes is just a blogging platform where “contributors” can post their clickbait. Forbes adds their reputation and the ads and then splits the profit with the “contributor”…
In this case you are wrong. This article is by Forbes Staff, not a contributor.
Forbes uses one name to deliver two different products, one of which is an in house magazine.
Except for the tweet, how is this article not just bringing the news? I don’t get it.
I tend to agree with you, but I also think it’s important to know how the “enemy” thinks and interpret the news. I don’t think we should lock ourselves up in echo bubbles only reading stuff we agree with.
In theory I’d agree with you. I don’t mind reading of nuances or different opinions than mine.
In general however, conservative media are worthless piece of shit embarrassments that I don’t want to waste time on.
There’s a difference between discussing with sometime with a different opinion, and stopping in the middle of the road responding to every deranged, mentally challenged ignorant mean crack addict who yells their vision of the world from the top of a soap box.
Agreed. They don’t argue in good faith. Their goal is not honesty and truth. What’s the point in engaging with someone like that?
Arguing in good faith is the important part.
As soon as I engage with someone not arguing in good faith, I leave. There’s just no point.
Comparing Forbes to a deranged, mentally challenged crack addict isn’t very fair, whatever your opinion is on Forbes or crack addicts.
Yeah, at least crack addicts have an excuse
I agree with the referencing a horrible twitter user in the article being a bad thing, but your stance on conservatives, especially your username, is very fascist in of itself.
is very fascist in of itself.
No. It’s not fascist to have a firm and authoritative opinion. It is, perhaps, violent and authoritarian in outlook, but conservatives have just tolerated if not endorsed an insurrection under false pretenses and those conservatives have yet to kill the traitor responsible for it, so contemplation of violence is justified because this ‘cold civil war’ as Vivek called it is not going to end with that boomer criminal in power ever again.
Intolerance of intolerance is essential to a free society. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
I appreciate the distinct lack of hexgoons on this thread.
What is a hexgoon?
Users from hexbear I presume. It’s an instance with predominantly Russia-China supporting users.
Wow, that’s news for me, never seen them supporting those 🤔
Don’t worry, there’s always a first time.
I had to reread that twice to realize you weren’t upset at hexagons, and was wondering where you had found graphics of the Ukrainian war superimposed on turn based battle hex maps
Hexoghouls
hexagons are the bestagons.
Because zebras are bastards
Thank god, they flamed the crap out of me a couple of days ago, I thought this was what Lemmy was turning into and considered actually leaving.
I just block anyone who trolls. It takes a while, but the more you block, the less they become a problem.
The connect for lemmy app will let you block the entire hexbear instance
Does it block comments from the instance as well?
Kinda. They still appear with a message telling you that they are blocked. You can press a button to show the comment anyway. It is like a soft block where you can decide whether you want to read a comment or not.
With a higher lemmy adoption their presence should go proportionally down.
Out of the loop, what happened?
lemmy.world defederated from a instance full of pro-russia shitheel trolls who would ruin any discussions regarding Ukraine. It’s very nice not having to scroll through their propaganda.
Ohh I totally forgot about the defederation. Now it all makes sense.
ThanksMeh. I never saw anything like that. Usually russian-sympathizers are downvoted into oblivion and there’s not that many of them.
I’m curious exactly what these people were saying, but now I’ll never get to see because someone else decided to censor it for me.
Not really defederating, but I hope we can update lemmy so censorship is optional. You can choose to have posts hidden by mods hidden from you, or not. That way everyone wins, except for the children who think “I don’t want to see this, so neither should anyone else!” And honestly, who cares about those kids?
I got kicked from communities in lemmy.ml a year ago when I tried Lemmy for the first time, for not worshipping everything China did.
Glad that you actually came to saner instances once they came live, and didn’t just feel aversion to the Fediverse as a whole.
I mean I did just stop using Lemmy for a year. Then when Reddit did dumb and Lemmy exploded, I forgot that Lemmy was what I had tried.
hexbear is an instance full of communist trolls
Being pro Russia because you’re pro communist is so fucking weird to me. The Russian federation is an imperialist capitalist oligarchical fascist state.
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I get what you’re saying, but I disagree with “make a lot more sense”. It still doesn’t make logical sense, but this is how these people indeed think.
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This is the correct take. They aren’t pro-Russia because they’re “communists”, they’re pro-Russia because they’re anti-west, even if that means looking the other way when there’s imperialism of the unexpected color.
They hate the US so much they have to bring it up continuously, everywhere and more so if the post has nothing to do with the US.
And look. I get being critical of the US, we’re a mess, but the solution to the problems in our country isn’t a slightly different authoritarian regime
It’s been almost two months since I got here, and I’m still not used to seeing blatantly nuanced and sensible views. I might be a little damaged.
Fucking seriously. I’m all for smashing the system, but those assholes have more in common with my racist Trump voting relatives than… you know… good people.
Because they’re not communists, they’re just fascists that don’t like being called fascists.
The lengths to which they cry just because people use the word “tankie” is ludicrous. They also have this custom to equate “tankie” and “communist” the same way not too politically literate right wingers do.
Yeah it’s all down to the political spectrum bullshit. Far left and far right are complete opposite ends of the spectrum so therefore completely antithetical to one another!
Meanwhile in the real world, fascists and communists (well at least the Leninist/Maoist/Stalinist ones) are all just authoritarians with slightly different rationalizations for it. I kinda feel like the only reason the concept of left/right political spectrum even exists is so some authoritarians in academic circles can claim to be nothing like the Nazis.
Being pro Russia because ‘own the left’ and ‘our guy has autocratic dreams’ is even weirder
Let’s just agree that no matter your political leanings, being pro-Russia is fucking weird.
I swear to god it seemed like there was a massive shift in pro Russian sentiment when we all found out Russia had interfered in the 2016 election because
- Obama was doing sanctions about it and a certain group of people is always anti Obama, regardless of what that means, politically
- Russia had interfered on behalf of the guy they wanted, therefore Russian interference good
Logic has no place in that weird mob mentality. They’re basically pro fascism, just you know the fascists that aren’t Western. Makes it good fascism somehow.
Lemme guess, they say fringe opinions you don’t like and that makes them trolls?
I can block the whole instance and their posts, but not their users yet :/
There was a post earlier that they jumped on.
I was blocking assholes for a good hour. It ain’t much, but it’s honest work.
Not really. Blocking them doesn’t remove them from the greater conversation, it just cedes the conversation to them.
Relentless mockery is what we need, not blocking.
Don’t feed the trolls, man.
They don’t enjoy mockery.
mockery is still engagement.
just downvote and move on.
That’s old wisdom right there. God - it’s been so long since I thought about the rules…
Damn right
i wonder if Russians realize how nervous they should be… maybe seeing Russians shoot down Russians outside Moscow will start to wake them up…
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Killing Prigozhin definitely pissed off a lot of nationalist Russians
Most of those “nationalists” are fucking statetists.
What I don’t get: Doesn’t this turn the Wagner mercenaries into even more of loose cannons? What’s stopping them to just fracture into chaotic splinter groups now?
his name is a really easy banner to fly now… he basically can’t do anything wrong anymore… he died a hero trying to save Russians from the corruption of Putin… the anger will just grow, especially once that army in Ukraine starts knocking on doors inside Russia…
everyone sees that Putin just did it because he was AFRAID of Prigozhin
“And we’ll hate him… cause he’s a Dark Knight.”
Even though I think that’s how it may have played in the West, it seemed like Prigozhin stayed pretty loyal to Putin all throughout, he was really careful to not lay any blame on Putin, more that he was misled. If anything, I wonder if blame will be placed on Shoigu, the Defense minister, that’s who Prigozhin’s beef was with I thought. I’d assume there will be some mob-style reprisals against Shoigu and/or the military leadership rather than against Putin himself. That still may benefit Ukrainians regardless.
i don’t disagree with one bit of your analysis, i’m just not sure Shoigu will be enough once Ukrainians start driving tanks down Russian highways… popcorn time in any case, like you say…
once Ukrainians start driving tanks down Russian highways
I doubt the West will supply arms for a large-scale invasion of Russia. They’ve already made it clear that the stuff that they are supplying is to be used only in Ukraine, occupied Ukraine, and Crimea, and not anywhere in Russia proper. And Ukraine has been very careful to strike inside Russia only with weapons that do not come from Western governments, and to aim only at military and government targets inside Russia. I doubt a ‘real’ invasion will happen. Drone worries and border skirmishes, certainly; actual march-on-Moscow invasion, I doubt it.
nothing on this Earth is going to stop that Army… they will do what they want now… you just expressed every Russian’s delusional dream…
Russians have some waking up in store for them
Putin won’t axe Shoigu he’s his perfectly loyal Tuvan pet… not necessarily loyal to Putin (he started under Yeltsin), but to the office of the president: Shoigu is guaranteed to not make a move for office because he has no chance in the first place because racism.
He’s pretty much the only person among the Siloviki who is guaranteed to not use their position as head of the army to putsch. Shoigu’s best play is to be loyal to whoever happens to be his boss, and that’s what he’s doing. He may be otherwise incompetent bu he understands politics.
(Side note: Tuva does have a kickass national anthem, with throat singing and everything)
Thank you for linking that. The anthem absolutely slaps. Now I wish I was Tuvan. Or, at the very least, I wish the Russian Federation would collapse so Tuva can participate in the Olympics under their own flag, and then I will cheer for them so I can hear this anthem.
As soon as these mercenaries stop getting paid, they’ll wander off and find another paymaster.
Note that a good chunk of contemporary Wagner soldiers are forcibly recruited criminals. If there’s something less reliable than a mercenary, that’s a forcibly recruited criminal.
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Nothing, and a few probably will. But a few small groups are much more easily handled. I wouldn’t be surprised if smashing the group was the main motivation behind the plane crash.
a few small groups are much more easily handled
What about just one guy with a grudge and a shoulder-fired missile launcher (anti-aircraft or anti-tank, depending on how you prefer to travel)? I’m sure Putin himself has countermeasures but he may still have problems unless his men can track down every Wagnerite who may have taken home a souvenir from Ukraine.
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That’s a really good question. Lots of implications. Will they attack the Kremlin? Will they continue stabilizing dictatorships in Africa? Will the Kremlin get control of them and use them in Ukraine? Revenge assassinations?
Good job!
I do like to see uplifting good news stories like this
Yeah. The gradual triumph of Ukraine makes me hopeful for the future of democracies in general
I fear the moment the Republicans get control.
Make sure they don’t…
Yes, I hope it has been making China have second thoughts about invading Taiwan
China will never invade Taiwan unless it wants a war with the US.
Idk why you people keep saying otherwise as though you have a point. 50 upvotes? Really? Come on guys. Wake up to fearmongering.
I hope you’re right.
The investment and business class seem to think it’s at least a possibility. It’s why Bershire Hathaway sold their TSMC shares and why TSMC has started building foundries outside of Taiwan.
Taiwan has no defensive treaties, and an invasion wouldn’t automatically bring anyone else into the war. China, like Russia, is a nuclear power, so I doubt nuclear nations would directly join the war. It would be another Russia-Ukraine war situation, but economically catastrophic (because of this, I doubt China would invade unless it gets into an economic state where it doesn’t have much to lose).
Taiwan will be a powder keg in China’s face
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I’d agree, yet I keep seeing people argue the counteroffensive is going poorly for Ukraine because they’re not making serious gains in recapturing territory. People forget that there are many ways to “win” a war: one of which is the enemy simply giving up and withdrawing. Chipping away at the enemy’s ability or will to continue fighting is a path to victory.
You don’t need to steamroll the enemy if you make it militarily, politically, or economically untenable for them to hold a position.
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Trebuchets for Ukraine!
Just mount the animal heads onto missiles.
Much more effective.
Attrition is a powerful factor often forgotten in war.
Lemmy armchair 5 star general recently completes Sun Tzu’s Art of War and thinks things are being forgotten about military tactics.
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Anyone saying Ukraine isn’t moving quickly enough is the kind of person who will ‘go out in a blaze of glory’ on the battlefield by charging the enemy like a fucking idiot.
After they get shot in front of everyone, they just serve as an example of what ‘not’ to do to win a war.
It seems like they’ve had the patience to do things very deliberately.
Get absolutely fucked orc scum!
this happened yesterday. S400 and Bastion
GUR has released video of S400 site being destroyed, but only from the frame when explosion happened, as in, not showing what did it
today there was amphibious raid in general area of that site, with air support, presumably allowed by previous activities
Ukrainian soldiers in Crimea? Do you have a link?
fresh off the press https://nitter.net/NOELreports/status/1694653600985723382#m
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You said it, Barbie!
Good.
The messaging coming from Budenov, the Ukrainian head of intelligence:
“We have the ability to hit any part of the temporarily occupied Crimea as of now. Absolutely at any point we can get the enemy. Those who have done stupid things, it’s better for them to leave,”
“And those who are waiting must prepare and do everything to help, first of all, the intelligence agencies, and then further, when the troops go into the open.”
Psyops for sure, but part of me wants it to happen. Now with this battery gone it definitely sets the stage.
I read a theory about why Ukraine has not completely destroyed the bridge to Crimea, even if they were able to, was to leave a way out & not fight the occupying troops into a corner, at which point their destructive unpredictability is worse than just letting them leave . This could be similar
No, that doesn’t make a lot of sense. Russia has enough boats/ships to evacuate Crimea if they wanted. They used to supply the whole Crimea woth ships before the bridge was built.
If Ukraine could, they would definitely destroy the bridge. But it’s just very difficult task.
Putin would forbid any evacuation plans. A bridge allows scared soldiers a way to run away without permission from command.
WTF, the bridge has checkpoints on both sides, you’re not going to somehow sneak thousands of soldiers.
What checkpoint is going to stand against an army in full retreat?
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Now those new F-16’s can dominate.
All your base are belong to dust
They set them up the bomb, all right.
We get signal!
