I joined reddit on the tailwind, so it was all echo chamber, we hate newcomers, gatekeeping, automod frenzy, too many rulebreakers, too many rules, etc I could be wrong, but thats what I imagine it used to be like.
Lol no Lemmy is just as bad as Reddit
I left reddit for lemmy and have yet to have the same experience here that I did on reddit.
Not in my experience.
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Where are these warm and cuddly people? If you express viewpoints that are not central dogma to the left of center folk, you’re just as ostracized here as you would be on Reddit.
I’m left of center and I get yelled at by a communist at least once per thread I engage with, on average.
I’m at a point where I’m just blocking them as they pop up.
I’d argue that it is actually more so the case here if anything.
Not to leave out mods deleting posts altogether here.
Yeah, it’s much worse here.
can confirm, this place is as much a shit hole now as reddit is.
God I hate redditors.
You wanna elaborate what problems you’re having?
Don’t trust anyone who says otherwise - there were always reactionaries, even in the earliest days of reddit!
The style of discourse, across society, has changed dramatically since those days. But lemmy is a breath of fresh air nonetheless.
I was on Reddit since almost the beginning and I would not say it’s similar, but I also don’t think that culture exists on the internet anymore, closest thing might be tildes?
What I really miss is the intelligent conversion and actual debate in the comments. People don’t really lay out arguments anymore, complete with sources and logical conclusions. Back in the early days of Reddit you’d be downvoted and told off if you made a claim without evidence. Anecdotal evidence, speculation, and bias were called out. There were still jokes and light comment sections, but comments aiming to make a point were essays where you could actually learn something. Might sound exhausting to some, but it feels like the internet has turned into just upvoting whatever confirms your bias, whether there’s evidence of it or not. I’m sure you can find some excellent examples in the old r/bestof posts.
The content was a lot different too, the community was just a lot more scientific. Studies were posted over articles, and clickbait articles (before they were even clickbait) were called out as not having substantial content or evidence. Even studies were heavily scrutinized by identifying the bias in the methodology.
There were a lot less communties (subreddits) too, which I think lead to healthier discussion overall and less of an echo chamber effect. It was still always criticized as being a “hive mind”, but it felt less like one to me back then anyways.
I guess overall it feels like the main difference is everything nowadays is meant to radicalize you, or get a reaction out of you. Back in the day if something political or scientific was being shared it was shared with the intention of changing minds, not confirming bias.
Anyways, that’s my old person rant. I’m probably looking at it all through rose tinted nostalgia glasses, but there’s definitely been a shift in how we communicate on the internet for better or for worse.
It was still always criticized as being a “hive mind”
In retrospect, every criticism of the hivemind was justified considering what it grew into (and where some of its roots must have come from, among us early redditors).
Downvoted.
Not a laid out argument, complete with sources and logical conclusions. This is anecdotal, speculative, and biased information.
Serious note : Love your perspective about the old reddit I’m always curious to know what made internet what it was. I wonder if that’ll happen again.
Source or gtfo!
Kinda pain in the ass to add links and formatting on a phone which most of us use. Early days of reddit was all Desktops.
Yeah good point, that’s probably part of it! Reddit was probably used more during active time than passive time (while shitting). Gave you time to properly research a topic and structure arguments.
/r/askhistorians was the last bastion of this approach. I loved that sub and really hope they migrate to a lemmy soon.
I appreciate this take, and I strive to make intelligent conversation here on Lemmy.
People don’t really lay out arguments anymore, complete with sources and logical conclusions
I only joined reddit like a year or so ago and have recently ditched it. I was never a fan of someone just spamming links to studies and condescending to me while doing so. I think people use links to sources as a way to control conversations. Or at least, that’s all I ever saw it used as.
The vast majority of people on Lemmy right now are directly from Reddit and they act exactly like the bog standard Redditors they are. Stop deluding yourself.
Who are you interacting with that has been so lame? I’m having a way better time in these comnunities than on reddit.
You know, I’ve felt there’s a sizable difference now in the kinds of discussion you tend to see depending on your home instance. Lemmy.world really feels like Reddit in both good and bad ways. Lemmy.ca is cool with local news and a smattering of other communities. But I what I really love beehaw.org. There are few places like it, and I hope if people join there, they don’t bring their Reddit tendencies with them. Slow down a bit, think of each other and enjoy real, thoughtful discussion.
Anything even vaguely political is a shitshow since people are just as toxic as on reddit, but there is way less moderation
I think it depends on the instance.
And Lemmy isn’t an echo chamber? Try posting any conservative opinions around here and see how many downvotes you get.
Uh yeah, people around here don’t tend to accept bigotry. Anybody who espouses racism/homophobia can get out. Which happens to be most conservatives. It’s not about being a conservative. It’s about being a piece of human shit.
Nice bigoted comment proving his point!
shut up loser
Another one!
I’m not going to pretend that your anti-social values have merit just because you think they do. Even putting on the veil of politeness is too much validation for your childish ideas.
Even as I’m on the more left end, I’d say not all conservatives or right-leaning people are racist homophobic bigots, though. If anything, I’d say a sizable portion have a right-leaning non-discriminatory worldview, mainly economic.
Admittedly, as much as I’m preferring the fediverse, it is definitely an echo chamber, Lemmy included.
Lowering taxes for the rich and cutting social services does not tend to have good results.
Right-leaning economics does not make sense to me at all, beyond the emotional hook of “government stealing your hard earned money to give to lazy poor people on welfare”.
But they still vote for homophobic bigots. If you sit at a dinner table with Nazis, what does that make you?
That’s because all the dum-dums are still over there on Reddit. This place has brain cells and it’s awesome.
It’s nice because you can talk to people, be heard, and be able to listen back. Of course I don’t agree with everybody all the time, but in some communities it’s cool to learn something you didn’t know before.
Yup, based on the replies you got they’re proving your comment Lemmy absolutely sucks when it comes to political circlejerk.
To be fair, the GOP has shifted so far Right, that conservative opinions nowadays are less “We need to be more fiscally responsible and try solutions outside of throwing money at problems.” and more “So lemme tell you which minorities don’t deserve rights and the specific reasons why they don’t… the short version is it’s all of them… except my asian wife and my black friend… for now…”
. “So lemme tell you which minorities don’t deserve rights and the specific reasons why they don’t.”
Bullshit. Just more of the hateful bigotry of the left than has divided things so greatly. You won’t even engage, just mock an increasingly non existent strawmen
Trans people in red states say you’re full of shit.
And your comment history reveals you as a lying fascist.
I guess my Florida based insurance provider dropping coverage for my HRT is “just a strawman” turns out
‘My private anecdote disproves targeted state action!’
Jog on.
Asking if I misword something? I’m saying insurance companies are being actively complicit on this ongoing fascist movement by denying trans people coverage to HRT.
I’m glad you’re better than this, but sadly it’s not a straw man.
Edit: I think this is what they’re referring to
There’s a strange Internet derived obsession with being trans, and it’s important to protect kids from permanent damage over a temporary phase.
Lol I bet you refer to black people as “criminals” too
Why?
Huh this post got my dogs barking…
Even if lemmy goes mainstream. I am sure there will be several instances that only federate with each other and not be federated with the rest of the lemmyverse, keeping the vibe lemmy has now and the early reddit vibe. Just have to find these instances and join them.
“cuddly and friendly” aren’t the words I’d use, but I suppose it is better than the way you can get dog piled on reddit over the most stupid stuff. Also less people tend to accept bigotry here most of the time which is nice.
I’d say less so. There wasn’t much by way of disinformation campaigns and bots back when Reddit first started so the posts and comments felt more genuine and organic. Even with Kbin/Lemmy being much smaller, there’s still a ton of weird shit that gets posted here or comments that feel really suspicious. It would be nice for that kind of environment to make its way back, but it seems those days are over.
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So far I share your opinion. So far…
You can use the wayback machine to see how Reddit was at any point in the past. I was there from even before subreddits were a thing, and yeah it was pretty great. The fediverse does have a bit of that feel.
In 10 years we’ll look back on this early Lemmy period with the same nostalgia, and wonder how Lemmy ever got so shitty.
Nah - it’s pretty shit already. I wasn’t on Reddit at the absolute beginning but I did clock in 12+ years. This is more like the end of Reddit - only split into several servers.
Lemmy feels way more neckbeardy… because it is.
I’ve encountered more trolls, assholes, and general dickheads here on lemmy than I ever have anywhere else on the Internet, and I’ve been around for a long time now so that’s really saying something.
Idk what’s more frustrating: the idiots and assholes themselves or the fact I see threads like this every day talking about how awesome lemmy and everyone around here is (are?).
Honestly, it’s begun to feel more hostile and shady. Pretty sure the Russian trolls are here, but hexchan ain’t helping either. I’m waiting for a client side instance block feature. We really need it.
