• SeaJ@lemm.ee
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    But teachers are now demanding better protection for themselves amid growing outrage about teaching staff being mistreated, including being accused of child abuse for disciplining students.

    If the system is anything like it was 15 years ago, those accusations are warranted. I know several people who taught in Korea and they were pretty appalled at how abusive many teachers were.

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Teachers in South Korea have staged a mass walkout in protest at widespread harassment by overbearing parents and unruly students, which has led to some staff taking their own lives.

    But teachers are now demanding better protection for themselves amid growing outrage about teaching staff being mistreated, including being accused of child abuse for disciplining students.

    Many teachers took leave to attend the protests on Monday and some schools were reportedly temporarily closed, despite authorities declaring their actions illegal and threatening legal consequences.

    She was found dead at her school in Seoul in an apparent suicide after reportedly expressing anxiety over complaints from abusive parents.

    As of June, 100 schoolteachers had died by suicide in South Korea since 2018 – 57 of them taught at elementary schools, according to government data.

    President Yoon Suk Yeol ordered officials to “deeply bear in mind” the teachers’ protests and to do their utmost to protect their rights.


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      I’m honestly surprised it’s not more common. Especially in the US. I see nothing but horror stories from teachers about how uncontrollable kids have gotten in recent years. Plus videos of teachers being attacked by their students, or just straight to getting shot by them.

      This generation of kids is causing so much trauma for teachers these days, it’s insane.

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          Or kids being raised on the internet. Shit heads teaching kids to behave like shit heads.

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          Yeah. A lot of the shitty parents had kids at a very young age this generation and we’re seeing the repercussions of that.

          You need to be able to take care of yourself before you can take care of someone else.

          I wouldn’t be surprised if we start seeing more kids raised by their grandparents because their actual parents are shit.

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            I’d actually hazard a guess that on average, parents are older these days. I don’t think the issue is really young parents, it’s that parents don’t discipline now. They just shove a screen in front of their kid instead of having a meaningful conversation. Parents now were raised with somewhat instant gratification and it’s even worse with their kids.

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            Education is certainly underfunded, but I don’t see how you can blame toxic kids and parents on that. Sounds more like a symptom of a couple of generations of atrocious parenting to me.

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              Part of the reason toxic kids and parents exist is because administration doesn’t support teachers either. It’s an entire system of issues.

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            Bro, you can ‘fund’ it as much as possible and children are still going to behave like animals if they don’t have any home training.

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              just strange I suppose that you don’t see this is systems where the education is better funded. granted it might take a few generations to really take hold. but funding education should be obvious.

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        I personally think teachers in that environment should work together and open up their own schools.

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          How does that solve the problem with unruly children? It just puts them in a new school with more liability than when they were just teachers.

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            Sorry, I meant to imply that this school run by them would have the authority to pick and choose who gets to attend.

            The unruly children would simply be barred.

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                Private schools can’t discriminate against protected classes but they can ABSOLUTELY use behavior as selection criteria. That said, sometimes what it takes is a totally different approach to discipline to reach “problem students,” approaches that aren’t often available in the public school context. Some respond well to iron-fisted authority, some respond well to restorative practices and circles, etc., while some need a ton of personal attention. Some “problem students” have problem parents, some don’t. It’s a shame that our public education system is as underfunded as it is, that school boards are political, that our public system is, by-and-large, one-size fits all. Charter schools and magnet schools provide some free public alternatives, but most progressives label them as destroying public school funding (at least, until they realize, like I did, that where I live, the standard public school system is a political shitshow and that sending my kid there would lead to conservative indoctrination). My local charter is chock full of incredibly passionate teachers that have an expansive view of the world. Of course I’d sign my kid up for their lottery.

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      I haven’t even read the whole thing yet, but damn! You have a brain! I came here ready to take a dump on someone, but you… Make… Sense?? This does not compute. I gotta go somewhere else to empty my bowls. Good job.

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        Babysitters are way more expensive for parents that would be paying taxes anyways to support public schools.

        so that makes fuck-all sense, numbnuts.

        Oh the irony of people like you thinking they have a point.

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            Babysitters are way more expensive for parents that would be paying taxes anyways to support public schools.

            It’s not like you take your kid out of public school and all of a sudden you pay less in taxes, lol.

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              Do they?

              School supplies and materials?

              Costs of transportation?

              Extracurricular activities?

              Uniforms or dress codes?

              Costs to eat?

              Tutoring costs because your kid is in public school?

              Technology access requirements for the modern world like tablets or computers with specific often paid software?

              Field trips and special projects?

              I dunno, it’s all starting to add up to a little more than free.

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                Stupidly pedantic.

                Why don’t you just add every single expense incurred in their life to your list?

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                Unless you want the kids to grow up to be completely undeniably stupid, education has to happen at some point. Babysitters aren’t trained for or paid enough for that. Teachers aren’t paid enough for that.

                Also all the costs you’re adding up are still nothing in comparison to having to pay a babysitter a livable hourly wage for 40+ hours a week, and then still have to feed and clothe the kids etc because the babysitter isn’t covering that for you out of their own pay.

                So yes, on the point alone that you don’t have to personally employ someone on a full-time basis and pay them out of your own pocket just to make sure your kid doesn’t burn the house down while you’re gone, it is cheaper.

                Don’t want to incur such costs? Don’t have kids that you have to do something with during the day.

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      Given this newly realized formulation

      /c/im14andthisisnew

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        I was distracted, by their extreme use, of extra punctuation, that they have, on each line.

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      I’m sorry, but your post seems incomplete or I’m reading too far past what you’re actually saying. Are you meaning to say this is what teachers are supposed to be doing (ie, pretending to be jailers instead of educators) or are you saying this needs to change somehow? Something else, maybe?

      Like the way you write makes me think a lot of unflattering things about your stances, and I’m not sure why… like, for example, it seems like you’re saying it’s a good thing child labor protections are being taken away in Republican states… is that actually your position though? Or is that sarcasm that’s not coming through very well?

      Sorry for the million questions but I see this is already getting quite heated, and I’m trying to figure out if the heat is warranted or if it’s a general misunderstanding.

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        Their statement is certainly right about what a lot of people seem to believe, and it’s a sad indictment of the reality. Conservatives just see teachers as liberal babysitters, so they don’t provide proper funding for anything. Where, in reality, teachers are one of society’s most noble professions. Its because of my teachers that I’ve grown into the person I am today and have had the successes that I have.

        In elementary school, they took an active interest in me and other students when they didn’t have to, and it wasn’t really part of their job. But they personally wanted to see us succeed and enjoyed teaching. In middle school my teachers provided the guidance and structure that I needed as a depressed, hormonal mess. And in high school, my classes were either business transactions, or the teachers became my friends and mentors. They taught me how to think critically, evaluate objectively, and argue intelligently. And perhaps most importantly – that there was more to life than just schoolwork.

        As an adult approaching 30 now, it’s depressing to see that things have only gotten worse for teachers, not better. They still get paid jack shit, they have to figure out how to do more with less and less support/funding + more students per class, and these days they have to deal with fucking Karens who don’t want their kids to learn facts that might hurt their feelings. Oh and of course, there’s school shootings where teachers are trying to protect their students.