I’m sorry, are we discussing paddles?
Everywhere I look, you’re 40% of Lemmy
Just doing my part!
Like…the Atari kind? Because I’m old enough for those.
Wanna play some Combat?
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I like to think that you did it here too, even without a 2nd sentence.
Man my brain must be getting old, I just like the way it looks mang
So… I believe I’m old now…
*insert “I’m in this meme and I don’t like it” picture.
Did the buttons really need renaming? It’s not like options and share or + and - make any more sense
I get being nostalgic for Start/Select but how does Options/Share not make more sense? The options button brings up a menu of options for most games and share allows you to share screenshots or video from the game. Whereas start did the same thing options does now which has nothing to do with the word Start and Select was sorta a catch all button for an action you only used occasionally, but was never used for selecting which was usually X but sometimes one of the other shapes.
Options I kinda get but it sounds dumb to me, would’ve been better as “menu” because it’s not exclusively for options, also for pausing and other menus.
Share isn’t what that button normally does at all in my mind, sure maybe PlayStation have it bound to that but normally it brings up an alternate menu to start that isn’t the pause menu (like in Minecraft and overwatch it brings up player list/scoreboard as an example
A lot of games I believe use it for the map too
I haven’t played Overwatch or Minecraft but every game I’ve played with one of those options used pressing in the touchpad to do that. I’ve never played a game where the share button didn’t share somehow.
I just looked it up and for Minecraft it’s used to take a screenshot or bring up a screenshot menu. I couldn’t find anything for Overwatch though. Are you sure you didn’t remap the button? Or are you using it for PC? It might work different in that case.
I do agree that menu would’ve been a better name, but that doesn’t mean that Options doesn’t make more sense than Start which is what the original comment said.
Is that functionality for share a console specific thing? I don’t remember any games that used it for that purpose (on pc)
The traditional role of the Select button is actually handled via the D-pad in most games. It was the button you used to change your selection, not to actually select something (that would be done with Start.)
Of course, even in the NES era past the first couple of years menus could generally be navigated with the D-pad, so even then Select was pretty useless, which is probably why the Genesis didn’t bother with it.
For the switch, plus and minus have a symbolic benefit of matching their position on the console itself when the joycons are detached. It’s not significant enough to warrant the rename but it at least is more than just a rename.
Same. My older SO corrects me. I won’t have any of it.
My nephew was so confused when I kept telling him to press “Select” when we played on a PS5.
You must teach the boy the old ways.
On Xbox we have Big X and Little X too!
My primary gaming is on Xbox and I still can’t tell the hamburger and copy button icons apart without looking at them when a game refers to them in a tutorial or menu.
Curiously enough, the “start” button is now more of a “pause” button. Sometimes also a “skip cutscene” and “open menu” button. Microsoft was into something by actually renaming it to “menu” in the Xbox, since that’s what it’s used for nowadays. Sony probably chose to call it “options” on the PS4 onwards solely to avoid being sued for plagiarism.
On one hand yeah sure back in the day I get it.
Now dang near every game is press x to continue/begin so the start button just begs a question.
It’s the start button, I agree
In another timeline, Windows 95 introduced the ‘Options’ button, a revolutionary breakthrough in graphical interface design.
the worst is when they change the shapes to make them smaller (switch & ps5), gotta save pennies on manufacturing costs i guess
Sure, over the course of making 253489291647802 controllers with that savings we can use the excess profit to throw a pizza party instead of paying you a living wage!
The touchpad is just “big select”.
I’m not sure who in the name of all fuck decided that controllers should have a dedicated Tweeting button, but I suspect this gen will be the last of that.
a dedicated Tweeting button
Wait what?
Well, it’s called a Share button I think, but I can’t find any way to actually share screenshots other than Twitter.
So I don’t use it.
Unpopular Opinion: The Playstation Controllers dont have an X button. Everyone should be calling it cross and would save so much confusion. Like there is a triangle, a circle, a square and another geometric shape. Hate having to specify when playing couch coop with friends if they have to press the xbox x or the playstation x. I know with nintendo people it gets even worse.
I hate that Xbox stole the buttons from Nintendo and then swapped them over just to fuck with me more.
Between Sony, MS, Nintendo and Gamecube Nintendo, the X button can be in four different places.
RIP Sega
Well, SNES had YXBA first I guess. But I forgot that Sega also evolved from 12 to ABC to XYZABC, back to XYAB.
It’s weird watching these controller layouts come in and change over time, and then Sony just go “no, like this” and suddenly that’s the standard. DualShock really was a great design and a massive improvement for anyone with adult sized hands.
They didn’t steal it from Nintendo. It was a carryover from their collaboration with Sega on the Dreamcast. [link] (https://news.microsoft.com/1998/05/21/microsoft-sega-collaborate-on-dreamcast-the-ultimate-home-video-game-system/)
That’s not even an opinion, it’s fact. PlayStation calls it the cross button. Watch Dogs Legion has an accessibility option to read things out that’s permanently turned on for the opening menu. It says “Press the cross button”. Various manuals and in game text say cross too.
That being said I will be rotting in hell before I ever call it the cross button.
It’s select and start.
What’s it supposed to be, windows and hamburgers?I won’t give it up. Select and Start.
My wife makes fun of me for it whenever we play couch co-op games. “What do you mean press start? My controller doesn’t have a Start”
“Press the button formerly known as Start”
So you married her for her looks, it could be worse.
I mean, she’s still a gamer at least…
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I won’t give it up.
Will you let it down?
I actually have a windows button on my gaming device. Still searching for the hamburgers button though
This is the way.
WTF was the select button actually for? I get start because it was often the button on arcades or gamepads that allowed you to choose menu options (which still works but has mostly been replaced by A).
What were we supposed to be “selecting”?
Select and Start was how the Atari 2600 did things. At the time, everybody was designing in terms of having one set of controls for when you’re in the game, and a set of meta-controls for adjusting stuff outside the game. The 2600 configuration GUI was the dumbest thing in the world. You look at a grid chart of game options in the manual, and you press the Select button 35 times to get to the version that you want.
The Famicom was much more able to draw and interact with a real configuration GUI. But Nintendo’s own experience was mostly in making the arcade game “Donkey Kong”, where you pick how many players by “pressing” the insert coin button and then Start. Nintendo was selling to a market that mostly knows home games from picking up a 2600 at a bankruptcy sale. So, keeping the separate meta-game buttons and game buttons was natural at the time. Later games developed a better design language for the meta-game UI, so most game studios left the Select/Start interface behind.
(Lol now I see that TubbyCustard said it all, but better)
The start button back then was called the reset switch. Hit reset when you get to game 13, you’d say. Now where was I? Oh yeah, the game select switch was on the console, which was the style at the time.
Oh yeah, they did put “reset” on it huh? I don’t know how they ever came up with that. Everywhere else, “reset” means “device gets zeroed out to its initialization state”. The only real reset was to turn the system off and on again. On some of those Atari originals, when you press select one time too many turning it off is the fastest way to start back around again. Video Olympics I’m looking at you
I used to have a black and white Binatone TV game knockoff.
10 games, mostly variations of Pong. All the game options like speed and bat size were big physical toggle switches on the main unit.
it is a legacy of the move from arcade cabinets to home game machines. Cabinets had the normal controls up top for the game but there were other buttons and switches for controlling the cabinet itself including access to higher level game functions like difficulty settings and test modes that weren’t meant to be exposed to the user.
When Atari made their console the user held the controller for the game but there were also several switches on the console itself providing these same higher level functions (reset and game select) as many games were ported from cabinets.
nintendo moved these switches from the console to the controller, and then as game development evolved these buttons became part of the normal controller and software scheme.
It was originally for selecting different options.
You’re on the start screen and it says:1 Player.
2 Players.You press select to choose which one. That’s just an example, lots of NES games were like that.
On the title screen of older NES games, the select button changed what mode you played in, then you hit start to start that mode/variation.
Ahh this makes sense. I played a lot of NES as a kid but must have just never encountered it
You always played the default game mode.
I’ll never give up start, but the select button hasn’t been used as an actual selector button in decades
It’s going to be windows and hamburgers to me from now on
I’m 100% Hamburger and Tie Fighter.
I thought it about it again. Should have said cheese slices and hamburgers.
You were spot on the first time. It’s windows and hamburgers!
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Honestly I call them “start” and “the tab button.”
I grew up with a PlayStation and PS2 but haven’t owned any console since the switch, preferring PC. So I remember start because it’s the start menu but select is usually on tab on PC.
