Let’s be real, kids don’t care about/understand what the API changes are and are on the TikTok
Would you not consider people in their mid twenties kids?
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I’m in my early 30s and still feel like a child most of the time
Second this. Older guy once told me and it always stuck since.
“I’ve always mentally felt 18, but my body tells me otherwise.”
I still get excited over childish things, and sometimes try to participate and wonder how I used to do some of these said things back then. Paintball is still fun and I can keep up, but I definitely feel it the next day.
Agree. But it’s not kids, it’s stupid people of all ages. Same thing happened with Reddit and with the Internet as a whole. Used to be you had to be a little smart to know you wanted to be on the Internet and figure out how to get it working. Then same was true of forums and IRC. Then same was true of Reddit. But then Reddit changed formats trying to be a TikTok style quick content scroll app, so idiots who just want to scroll started using the site and quality of discussions went down. I hope Lemmy grows but I hope the sign up process stays as it is, to weed out the extra stupid.
It was the worst thing to witness on reddit. A post with tens of thousands of likes and only a handfull of comments
I boosted from 1k karma to 20k by searching ‘pun’ on every top joke each day for a week.
It’s enough that good/bad posts get boosted up/down by votes without them generating Karma.
Intelligent answers aren’t always the most popular…
Reddit karma wasn’t about popularity or intelligence. It was about who got there first. If you shotgun enough comments into brand new threads your karma will skyrocket.
Also, making comments on the top comments. Plus that’s the only way for new replies to have visibility once a thread has over ~1000 replies.
Then same was true of forums and IRC
When IRC was entirely people on command line clients that existed on *nix. But that has changed with the ease of use of clients for Windows, and then eventually web clients.
I think you‘re onto something. I read a lot of comments of people thinking the fediverse is too complicated to deal with and while I disagree - but also think it has issues - there does seem to be a barrier of entry for a good portion of people in the form of „inconvenience.“ So whoever is here really wants to be here and not just be an anonymous arse. I don‘t think you gotta be particularly smart, you gotta step out of your comfort zone.
Hmm this is also a good point. I’ve been explaining to redditors that Lemmy is not that complicated and only takes a couple minutes to get started. But reading this, now I’m hoping Lemmy can find the balance between number of active users and quality of content. I’m wondering if my spreading the word on reddit was a bad idea.
Maybe the “work” required to make the jump to Lemmy will be enough to keep lower quality content (for whatever reason) at bay for a bit longer, though. Of course, it won’t last forever. All we can do is make our communities good spaces from the get-go and try to maintain them carefully as we grow.
I think the way Lemmy works (wrt federations) makes this less of an issue. Eventually people who like the way things used to be will primarily use oldhead instances that only federate with other oldhead instances. Lemmy.world will end up feeling just like Reddit (more or less) but there will always be spaces for other communities.
I think it‘s good to grow. Lemmy (or the Fediverse, I suppose?) should be as inclusive, convenient, and engaging as can be. It has only just started (in my opinion), we‘ll see how it goes. I like it here so far, feels like people are less prone to jump at your throat for voicing a (harmless) opinion.
Which part of it is supposed to be complicated? I’ve seen this argument many times, and while I’m still trying to figure out the user interface(s), the whole idea is pretty basic
I can‘t tell you since I also disagree. I did basically the same thing I did on Reddit, I only got thrown off seeing multiple „subs“ with the same name.
Some people complained how complicated „explanations“ are. I saw these types of comments on the Reddit Alternatives sub.
I’m also a bit confused by it being ‘complex’. I created an account (I chose .world as it had world in the name, as it turned out that was a great decision lol), you log in, click on ‘all’ and sort by top/day you’ve essentially got ‘Reddit’, or am I missing something lol.
I would guess the whole “federation” part. It can be confusing for non tech minded people to try and understand distributed sites. They might not understand that lemmy.world and lemmy.ml while both being lemmy are not the same site.
Yes, this exactly. I’m starting to suspect that either someone very misinformed or someone with an agenda started spreading this rumor.
It just takes one person to reaffirm that it really is “too much work to switch” and “you aren’t lazy for not trying” to keep a lot of folks in place.
This kept me off Lemmy until the blackout. I was interested prior to that, but so many people said it was complicated, I figured I’d look into it at some vague point in the future when I had time to untangle the fediverse. Then the baclout happened, and what do you know I had time, and lo and behold it was easy. I’m now a bit annoyed I was dissuaded for so long based on BS about it being complicated.
I just had to find an instance (or “site”) that allowed sign-ups and register. My first account was on Kbin since it seemed less buggy on mobile. I feel like they think something’s complicated just because it’s on a website, or because there are multiple options.
Getting one’s head around the concept of instances is hard for some people who aren’t used to dealing with tech beyond the basic social platforms.
Is it one social media platform, or is it a bunch of individual ones? The fact that the answer is “it depends” is confusing. Especially when you get into defederation and cross-platform interaction.
Very true. I often make the mistake of thinking that if something makes sense to me pretty quickly, it will be just as quick for others.
We should remember that those of us here now are more likely to be uniquely interested in this tech and thus more able to wrap our heads around these concepts without being deterred. We could always do a better job making it accessible for beginners who don’t benefit from the same background.
It’s not an age thing, It’s the same reason the internet generally got toxic after a time people who aren’t passionate about things take over and drown out the high effort contributers
Yeah and typo come from non native speaker too. Lemmy in not a american only thing
I think there’s a difference between typos and the grammar of someone learning the language.
Meaning that you can usually differentiate between a native speaker of your language typing hastily and not bothering to correct themselves of clean up, vs a new person learning your language speaking in a generally broken manner. I think by typos OP was referring to the first case, and was probably not accusing ESL learners for having imperfect grammar.
Don’t underestimate me I can do both. May be he did discriminate though. Better point would be to speak about argument being more constructed and than one sentence on lemmy compared to reddit ?!
I haven’t been here much since I joined last week, but one thing I noticed is I’ve barely seen any typos on Lemmy. While I definitely don’t mind seeing the occasional typo, the number of spelling mistakes was getting annoying, and it’s gotten progressively worse over the last year or so.
I think people here might be more conscious of what they post, due to the relatively low quantity of things being posted here. On larger platforms, what you write is more likely to be overlooked, so people care less.
How do you even make any typos with all the autocorrect nowadays is beyond me.
Autocorrect is the cause of many of my typos
Autocorrect catches all my typos, and for that I’m eternally grapefruit
As someone with dyslexia I definitely still find a way sometimes.
I personally don’t use auto correct for a couple reason, so typos still happen from time to time.
What are the reasons if you don’t mind me asking? I write in 3 languages on the same mobile keyboard and it does a fantastic job correcting my spelling.
Test comment
In my experience as a fellow polyglot, Google’s autocorrection is good most of the time, and horribly unusable once in a while. At one point it attempted to correct every single word in a sentence.
it’s simpler when you use speech to text, or use autocorrect dictionary of wrong language
My autocorrect on my Galaxy s22+ is actually a detriment to me… It constantly changes “me” to “Mr” or “MT” and dumb shit like that… I spend more time correcting ‘autocorrects’ than typing text… Why is it so bad suddenly??
My pet peeve is when people put a space before the full stop or the exclamation mark. Something like this !
You monster, how could you ?
I can’t describe how much that nonsense drives me up the wall. You have to go out of your way to put that space there and yet there’s a non-trivial amount of people who do that. So much effort into wilfully making a mistake, over and over! It’s even worse than people who say, “arrive to.” And you can’t tell me that the clowns doing this don’t know what they’re doing is wrong. They’ve definitely seen printed text before, whether it’s a book or even just other people’s comments, and none of it has that extra space.
Ya bro u damn rite finalysumeonre has the guts to say it. I hope dis comunity stay crispy
More like doomscrollers.
Yes… we. Are all. Adults…🤫
Totally. Yup.
Or passing some sort of turing test looking for adulthood instead of ai.
I suspect that one of the reasons Lemmy’s texts are longer, meatier, and more thoughtful is the age of the users. My gut tells me that we’re an older audience that doesn’t need to dump the usual social media BS - hasty comments filled with unsubstantiated arguments. Everyone has an opinion and should be heard and respected. As a Reddit refugee, I feel Lemmy provides such space, and that’s what I enjoy most. Like many others whose profiles match mine, once you get past the initial confusion (where should I register, what app should I use, where can I comment) and get comfortable with the jargon, you feel more encouraged to participate in discussions. So far, I’ve been pleased with the civil environment of the discussions, as most users are able to express their thoughts in a relaxed and non-toxic manner. Honestly, I’d encourage anyone who has been just lurking to participate and share their thoughts.
I have been an avid participant in many programming subreddits, and I can confidently say; This place (Lemmy) feels like the beginning of something I can call home as well. I will gladly start supporting fellow programmers with their questions and problems once I feel settled.
To add to that: I think it’s actually worthwhile to write longer texts here compared to reddit because of two reasons: 1) people here want Lemmy to succeed so they put more time and effort in to get things going, and 2) it’s more likely for that text to be seen by others because there aren’t 2.000 other commenters but maybe 20.
True. The sense of anticipation of a new home in which to settle seems genuine. Also, I agree that a smaller group where users actually read the posts and interact with each other validates the purpose of investing the time to share one’s views with people who are actually interested.
My only concern is that Google doesn’t seem to be indexing lemmy pages. So even if we add content that might be helpful it is not getting any screentime.
To add to that, searching isn’t as simple as “best laptops reddit” if the knowledge is spread across the fediverse. That’s something I’d be interested to see
That seems like a problem that search providers will have a strong incentive to solve from their end as and when finding those fediverse results becomes essential.
I think it’s more just because we’re early adopters and the first wave of refugees.
We’re building something here - and right now, for some it’s a new home, for some of us this is something big - a place that resists monetization. This isn’t just the fresh new version of social media, built by cool people who have the best intentions and a vision (I think most of them did, at least initially)
Admins go bad, already some of the instances I’m on have people starting to look at not just paying for servers, but making a profit. And if they can live off the donations - fine, more power to them.
But when someone comes knocking with a bag of money, what are they going to do? They can sell us out, but they can’t go far before we leave… What do we miss out on? The content will either follow or we’re missing out on content elsewhere.
And we can mitigate it further - too many talented people care too much to let this idea die. We’re going to face difficult times, but it’s a new ephemeral Internet built on top of the one stolen from us - it doesn’t start or end with a reddit clone.
And I think that’s why we care - because this time is different. It can’t go bad the way everything else does. It relies on no one, and it’s built from all of us
This place is ours. No kings, no masters, no capitol, no capital
I think it’s more just because we’re early adopters and the first wave of refugees.
Yes, and because there are some little hurdles in the signup process. Having to select an instance isn’t really that big of a deal, but it will actually stop quite a few people.
The people who do make it through care or are invested enough to join and are less likely to shit the place up. It’s a self-selection process.Well put, almost made me feel inspired till I remembered we’re just nerds on the internet hahahahaha
The internet was made for nerds to be on it.
Statistics say that at least 50% of the internet are bots!
What do statistics say about their distribution on different sites?
I dont know, it feels like reddit still and it isnt much about age. Pseudointelligents are present, braggers present, ad-hominem enthusiasts present, fingerprinting my machine to death most likely present, i still fear getting banned for speaking my mind as in all english-language spaces so it will probably be my first and last post on this website if not for the omnipresent abusive and constantly angry mods on every community oriented site i had posted on that bullied me for me being me and high functioning but still autism Mixed feelings, but gatekeeping quality destroyers works, thats my experience and objective knowledge that it works, and some spaces have lower demographics by age than this place but are the cozy village with admin that doesnt exploit it. Its not about age its about maturity Lets sit and watch what is going to hatch of this site, my feelings are mixed
Forget reddit or Lemmy. Kids love Instagram more than anything else!
This is fine.
Let them stay there.
Still?!?
and tiktok
The internet as a whole was much better when websites and services were not designed to cater to kids.
The internet was good when it’s all just geeks
As a geek myself (or so I like to think), I disagree.
I’ve worked and been friends with, for example, people from creative areas, and it’s definitelly a much greater whole than the sum of the parts when you put people with such different ways of thinking together.
There are some quite massive blind spots in the typical geek-style way of looking at and going about things, IMHO.
I suspect that there is some other factor, maybe something that most geeks have but which is not only geeks who have it. Tentativelly I would say some kind of drive to create/make/contribute.
Agreed, great to have creative people.
Maybe to rephrase: the Internet was better before the suits arrived.
I’m not convinced.
Because of the lack of children there are no discord mods either, paradise manifest
