• Norgur@discuss.tchncs.de
    917·
    1 year ago

    Calm down, 'Muricans. We didn’t lose our shit when you replaced the Spatzen in Kässpatzen with Macaroni and the cheese in Kässpatzen with fatty, gloopy cheddar “sauce”. You can bear this one.

    • HotDogFingies@kbin.social
      2·
      1 year ago

      We’re dumb and very deserving of ridicule, but let me correct you anyway.

      Macaroni and Cheese was introduced to the US by James Hemings, a man enslaved by Thomas Jefferson (our 3rd president), after returning from Italy, where he learned how to do pasta stuff because Tommy just loved noods.

      So, yeah. Slavery.

    • mriormro@lemmy.world
      101·
      1 year ago

      Interesting. Mac and cheese, it seems, evolved from the pasta and cheese casserole dishes of Italy and England popular around the 14th and 15th century. While kasspatzen seems to have originated from around the areas of southern Germany with no mention of it as a dish until about the 1700’s.

      Curious that.

      • Norgur@discuss.tchncs.de
        412·
        1 year ago

        First of all: Don’t you think Kässpatzen “evolved from” something, too? Like… both are “cooked dough stuff with cheese”

        And secondly: your argument is not the counter you might think it is. The core of my argument was that Mac and Cheese are a downgrade to the food it came from. It doesn’t matter, if the origins are in Italy or Germany, the argument stands. Slopping fat with cheese flavor on pasta is nothing one could claim any culinary high ground with

        And lastly: we all agree that this is some light hearted, friendly banter here, and not some patriotic conflict about cultural superiority, right?

  • Tak@lemmy.ml
    221·
    1 year ago

    Ugh. Pineapple on pizza was created in Canada.

    If you wanna throw shade at us go to deep fried Twinkies or something.

  • Shieldtoad@sh.itjust.works
    81·
    1 year ago

    When Americans make Mac and cheese does it usually only contain macaroni and cheese? Or do they add other things?

    Here in Belgium we call it macaroni with ham and cheese because we put pieces of ham in it.

    • Tak@lemmy.ml
      5·
      1 year ago

      Depends on the region and sometimes ethnicity.

      It’s actually considered cruel to have the white guy bring the mac to a black cookout because he’s likely going to get roasted for it.

    • Cloaca@mtgzone.comEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      My family (New Hampshire) typically add smoked cherry tomatoes to our mac and cheese.

      Mostly an add in of one protein and one vegetable. When more items get added we just switch to the dish being a pasta or a casserole.

      I will say that raisins make a great addition to a curried meatloaf.

    • cm0002@lemmy.world
      19·
      1 year ago

      Yea we put ham too, sometimes spam, sometimes bacon. It’s really versatile tbh. We even have other variations like Cheeseburger Macaroni that nearly crosses the line into its own dish.

      But, I have never EVER heard of raisins going into it before and it sounds disgusting.

      • droans@lemmy.world
        5·
        1 year ago

        If done well, buffalo chicken mac and cheese is great, too.

        Unfortunately most restaurants do a garbage job with it. They just add the chicken and hot sauce into the mac and cheese and let it sit in a pan until someone orders it. This needs to be made fresh when it’s ordered or it just turns into mediocre mush.

        They all always screw up buffalo chicken dip, too. That’s even worse because it’s so easy to make right.

        • Rotisserie chicken

        • Hot sauce, half a cup to a full cup depending on what you like

        • Block of cream cheese

        • Bag of sharp cheddar.

        • Packet of ranch seasoning. Don’t use ranch dressing, it’ll make it too watery.

        • If you like blue cheese, grab a small block or, if you’re lazy, grab a little container.

        Use two forks to shred up all the breast meat on the rotisserie. Make the shreds varying in consistency - some should be very fine, some should be normal shredded chicken, some should be little chunks.

        Slice the cream cheese into small strips. If you’re using a block of blue cheese, remove the rind and crumble it. I like to use a knife for this because it’s quicker.

        Grab a large pan. Throw the chicken and hot sauce in. Set it to medium and mix. When it starts simmering, add everything but the blue cheese. Mix it up until it’s all melted and combined. If you have blue cheese, add it now and keep mixing until you’re happy with it.

        Turn off the stove. It’s ready now and you’re about to have some fantastic fucking buffalo chicken dip.

    • stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml
      1·
      1 year ago

      In my observation, if it comes from a box, it’ll be simple. If it’s made from scratch then people go more gourmet.

    • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world
      3·
      1 year ago

      Traditional American Mac and Cheese is a dish that consist of macaroni noodles that have been baked in a bechamel based cheese sauce and topped with bread crumbs.

      If we put anything else in it, we tell you, just as you do with the addition of ham to the name.

        • HotDogFingies@kbin.social
          2·
          1 year ago

          Growing up poor is fun. Very similar to what we called tuna casserole.

          1. Box of elbow macaroni, cooked
          2. Can of cream of mushroom soup
          3. Can of tuna, drained
          4. Can of peas, drained

          Dump. Mix. Consume.

          I’m still poor, but I don’t eat that shit.

  • spittingimage@lemmy.world
    567·
    1 year ago

    You wouldn’t be assuming that everyone on Lemmy is American, would you? Because I lost my shit over that too.

    • Blubber28@lemmy.worldOP
      296·
      1 year ago

      I’m Dutch myself so nope, not assuming so XD

      Nevertheless, as a European, it is my continental duty to shit on Americans, which is (partially) why I made the meme :P

      • Ejh3k@lemmy.worldEnglish
        533·
        1 year ago

        Hold the fucking phone bud. You can shit on America all you want, but don’t. Think you can shit on Americans all you want.

        It was Americans that saved you all in ww2. We are mostly good and decent people.

        But, I have never in my life seen raisins anywhere near Mac & cheese. I’ve never seen olives near it either.

        • Nythos@sh.itjust.works
          54·
          1 year ago

          Why do uptight Americans always go straight for “we saved your arse in WWII” whenever they feel the slightest bit offended someone riffed their country a tiny bit.

          • Ejh3k@lemmy.worldEnglish
            22·
            1 year ago

            Oh? The greatest credible threat to the world? Not saying that dropping two nukes on the country that invaded and raped or killed uncountable numbers of people is heroic, but without us and the lend lease, Europe was fucking done for.

            Also, none of us say arse.

            Thirdly, we fucking did save your ass in ww2. Also in ww1. I’m literally never the ugly American in public, I’ve had Turkish taxi drivers in German ask me why I want to go to the American army base because I’m so not that person.

            But give credit where it’s due.

            • sock@lemmy.world
              21·
              1 year ago

              ur funny

              you saved nobodies ass and its EMBARRASSING youre taking ANY credit when you probably ask for help getting a milk jug out of the fridge.

              you saved nobody. america now has saved nobody. soldiers arent heroes theyre people that want to survive stop glorifying the war and the us like we won a call of duty campaign. America wants its own people to die and they want to capitalize on it.

              the military is for fuckn weirdos that like supporting oil tycoons and if youre forced to join then you have my utmost respect as that fucking sucks.

              if ur gonna talk shit at least have something to back it up how many one arm pullups can you do, how longs ur planche, front lever etc? oh you cant do any of these things because youre a couch politician, soldier, and patriot i forgot. focus on something useful in your life. america doesn’t wanna suck your dick

              • Ejh3k@lemmy.worldEnglish
                11·
                1 year ago

                I was in my second week of basic training when 9/11 happened, so don’t give me shit about supporting oil companies.

                I did my time. 15 months in baghdad in 03 and 04. Got hit with 13 IEDs, shot at nearly every day. You just don’t have a clue what you are talking about.

  • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works
    262·
    1 year ago

    Raisins? Pff. Never heard of that. Frozen green peas though? That’s where it’s at for the boxed Mac and cheese.

      • Peaty@sh.itjust.works
        21·
        1 year ago

        Onions makes sense though as cheese, onions and pasta are a normal combination but raisins?

        • zalgotext@sh.itjust.works
          12·
          1 year ago

          Apples and cheddar? Pear and brie? Peaches and balsamic?

          Sweet + tangy + savory is an incredibly popular combination, so Mac and cheese + raisins isn’t all that unusual.

          Also it’s subjective. You don’t have to like it, but it shouldn’t be surprising that other people do.

          • Peaty@sh.itjust.works
            21·
            1 year ago

            Sweet and tangy with the presence of acids and moisture from the fruit are a good combo but guess what raisins don’t have?

            • zalgotext@sh.itjust.works
              21·
              1 year ago

              You ever have a charcuterie board? Dried fruit and cheese are staples there, and neither are particularly moist.

              I’ll say it again, it’s ok to not like a particular thing, but you shouldn’t be surprised when someone else does. Everyone’s tastes are different.

  • yaminoEXE@ttrpg.network
    191·
    1 year ago

    Canadians breathing a sigh of relief when everyone blames America for pineapple on pizza instead of them.

    • CADmonkey@lemmy.world
      7·
      1 year ago

      I wondered if it might be because of you lot. Pineapple is typically paired with canadian bacon (ham) on pizza.

      • chiliedogg@lemmy.world
        5·
        1 year ago

        I didn’t like pineapple on pizza until a coworker did pineapple and jalapeno.

        The sweet/spicy combination was pretty great.

        • Wage_slave@lemmy.ml
          1·
          1 year ago

          While I can go both ways for the mayo on the burger debate, not often you hear that it’s the best part.

          A&W is where I go for the mayo on burger goodness. Even the mozza sauce is just thousand island with more mayo essentially.

  • banneryear1868@lemmy.world
    133·
    1 year ago

    Pineapple on pizza is such a forced debate, nobody normal sincerely cares that much, and anyone who does is either pretending or has a toddler-level approach to food. The “authentic Italian” gatekeeping is also incredibly stupid and ironic, given Italy’s history of appropriating other culture’s foods then claiming they are the arbiters of the most “authentic” version of said food.

    My fav dolce pizzas to make are cinnamon date puree with pecans and brown sugar sprinkled over top, or a sliced pear/apple with brie and a Balsamic drizzle.

    • zalgotext@sh.itjust.works
      8·
      1 year ago

      Any contrarian food opinions are forced debate, and just plain stupid. Arguing that “pineapple doesn’t belong on pizza” is the logical equivalent to arguing “no one’s favorite color should be red”.

      • banneryear1868@lemmy.world
        3·
        1 year ago

        The hilarious pizza regulatory body in Italy says it’s not real pizza though!

        This is maybe a hot take but some of the most authentically branded and certified pizza in Italy happened to also be some of the worst pizza I’ve ever eaten, and the best pizza I had in Italy was no better than a good quality pizza anywhere else. I mean they’re damn good pizzas, but turns out baking a circle of dough with tomato sauce and cheese on it is a pretty basic thing to do well. And yeah I know there’s complexity in all of this but it’s not materially complex. Use the proper flour and hydration, knead it well, let it cold ferment for a day, shape it properly. Oh you didn’t use the Roma tomatoes from Mt Vesuvius? Sorry not real pizza.

        Also the demand for authentic Italian pizzas from foodies in North America has created some of the worst pizza abominations, because the skill required to shape a ball of dough by hand isn’t widely present in the service industry workforce. Like yeah when the right person is in it’s great, but even at these upper range places tough gummy dough inconsistently shaped is common. “Never frozen though so it’s real!” Nobody can taste the difference between frozen dough that’s been thawed, let to rise, and baked, if anything the longer ferment time makes it taste better.

        If you can’t tell I detest the ironic authenticity trend in these heavily market-researched upper range investment restaurants right now. That’s not even to say the notion of authentic food is bullshit, but it seems like a lot of these type of places are more focused on creating a commodified form of what people think authentic food is, than actually making good food. Unfortunately this trend has plagued the humble pizza. I think the way to judge if a pizza is “real” is if you can consume it while walking down a street having a conversation, that’s real pizza.

        What all of this effort should really go to… Italy should invalidate the Italian ancestry of anyone involved with calling Chicago deep dish “pizza.” That shit is a casserole, delicious as it may be. NOT PIZZA

      • banneryear1868@lemmy.world
        23·
        1 year ago

        I dunno cause dried fruits are pretty normally served with cheese, and if the starch was a baguette or cracker instead of pasta it would be considered almost boring. People add ketchup to mac’n’cheese which I think is gross, but to me that’s a stronger and sweeter taste than rasins.

  • UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works
    71·
    1 year ago

    Pineapple on pizza is only weird cause we pair it with Canadian Bacon.

    Try Pinepple, Bacon, and Jalapeño. I call it PBJ pizza. Gets a real weird look when I only call it that haha

    Some guy in the original thread said he’d try the Mac and raises on livestream. Excited to see how it works out

  • Wage_slave@lemmy.ml
    10·
    1 year ago

    I have been up and down a few posts concerning this and have yet to find (maybe i missed a couple) anyone who has tried this and reported back.

    I am beginning to think that this was just some housewives joke on the internet.

    “You know what, this should really rattle some budgies if i just say i add a few raisins. oooo I am such a devil” and little did she know just how well it worked.

    On a basis of raisins and cheese whiz being good, I think it might have a little bit of charm.

      • ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world
        4·
        1 year ago

        I’ve made water cereal, but it started as an accident, which I then had to live with because there was no more cereal left. I’ve also switched milk and orange juice, which I tried, but did not continue on with.

  • negativeyoda@lemmy.world
    29·
    1 year ago

    I will go on record as saying I don’t give a shit if there’s pineapple on my pizza. I wouldn’t order it that way, but I’ll enjoy a pineapple, jalapeño, ham pizza if a slice is put in front of me.

    Raisins in Mac and cheese… I can imagine it’s probably tasty enough, but the rubbery consistency of raisins in tandem with sticky pasta is what I find revolting

    • scottywh@lemmy.world
      11·
      1 year ago

      Bacon is a tastier option than the ham… It’s actually my favorite combo of pizza toppings in fact.

    • stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml
      7·
      1 year ago

      Today I learned that this thread is real and not a meme. I honestly thought people were joking about raisins in Mac n cheese.

    • Dkarma@lemmy.world
      12·
      1 year ago

      I love raisins and even I think this would taste like shit.

      I do love me some Hawaiian tho and raisins are bomb in a biryani… Fight me 🤣